if he won the primary. Bernie supporters, otoh, NOT SO MUCH.

apparently "write in" is catching on amongst those who think Bernie won't make it through the Primaries.

I'm on this board every day and have seen nothing, nada from Hillary supporters, stating they won't vote for the Democrat. Prove your spin.

Although I would have thought my previous post does seem to imply I was talking about Bernie Supporters. My intention was to indicate that I have heard Bernie supporters state that if Bernie doesn't become the Dem nominee, they will not vote Dem.. they will write in the name of their choice. I've read that statement her on DU at least once a day for the last several days.

And No I don't have a link because these were responses to other OP's and I didn't think I would have to book mark them for future reference. PS relax a little, I'm on your side.

I read that shit from Bernie supporters multiple times a day. Really becomes tiring. Anyway, again, I apologize

Like you for instance. If past is prologue, those zombie threads from 2008 give us a good idea of what is likely to happen in the event of another Hillary primary loss and it in no way resembles the calm cooperative kumbaya of which you speak.

I voted for Obama two times. I will vote for whomever the Democratic candidate is. How about you AK?

But you got one thing right I am very calm. The primary will be an easy win for Hillary, then she will get an awesome endorsement from Sanders.

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I will not embarrass you by linking to it, but of note is that you were as confident then as you are now that she will win. If past is prologue, she will not and that's when the angry oaths erupt.

I OTOH have never tried to manipulate people by brow-beating them into voting for my candidate, either then or now. I have always maintained that I won't vote for Hillary, not in the primary nor in the general. Never. The Clintons and their rightwing pro-corporate politics are bad for the Democratic Party and bad for America.

proving that Bernie supporters constantly boast that they will NOT vote for a Democrat is she is the Democratic presidential nominee.

I double dare you to find a post from a Hillary supporter for the 2016 campaign, who states h/she will not vote for Bernie Sanders if he is the nominee.

I have no clue what you are talking about from 2008. Post away if it helps you sleep at night.

but as sure as the sun rises in the east, they will come

watch this space

wink wink
nudge nudge
say no more

I'm NOT like you AK. I always vote for the Democrat. I don't sit elections out or write in my dog. If you don't get that message this time, I give up.

But don't worry about the general election for now. What is his path to victory in the primary? Which states does he win? Can he win more states than Bill Bradley?

Can't say the same for PUMAs. Boy, were we ever cast aside before the paint even dried.

Find me a Hilary supporter on DU who won't vote for Sanders in the GE if he wins the nomination...

Hint: they don't exist.

Okay?

Are you saying you are a Bernie supporter that was cast aside or a Hillary supporter that was cast aside? No one has been cast aside. Look at Obama's administration.

And then his Chief of Staff, Rahm Emmanuel told us to get fucked.

But people were too busy getting excited at how upset Sarah Palin was about it to notice.

... as a protest vote for what I perceived at the time. I voted for Obama in the general though ("hoping" that he would define himself more to be someone he in fact wouldn't later, but was still better than McCain, or Romney).

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mail and had sent my ballot in before he dropped out.

The Pumas were never Democrats on the ground in the first place in my opinion.. Just as an example

We have an agenda as Democrats that we want put forward.. Our platform is what we work for.

What worries me, are people (like some Pumas) who get so deep in their politics that they walk away from the greater good.

My way or the highway..

I am sure Senator Sanders supporters will all support my candidate of choice Gov. O'Malley when he gets the nomination..

I see a lot of assigning the differences some posters have with other posters to the candidate that they purport to support.. (hey that rhymed)

People have to get past that otherwise they are giving it to the republicans

But between you me and the proverbial wall.. there will be a lot of pissing and moaning till we finally have a standard bearer..who ever he or she is ..

...how could he lose if he got the votes of Hillary supporters??

Please explain.

Just like I am going to Gov. O'Malley, and I am guessing you are going for Senator Sanders

It is the caucus's and primaries that will pick the standard bearer.

Who ever comes out of that mess will have my full support.

And I have never seen where Sen. Clintons supporters on here have ever said that they will not support the final standard bearer standing.

Never.. Maybe some one person got their underalls in a twist and said something.. but as a movement in a group.. have never read it

If all of Hillary's supporters were to vote for Bernie, if he were the nominee, how could he lose? What is your scenario?

That is completely insignificant with respect to the point you are making.

I don't think Sanders would win enough moderate voters to win the general election.

And while Clinton supporters here will vote for the nominee, I don't know if it would apply at large, especially if someone is voting with an eye toward having the first female president or is scared of the word socialist.

Is that what you are saying?

will you vote for her in the General?

But why do folks keep saying Bernie cannot win the general? If he wins the nomination and gets the Hillary supporters, how does he lose??

Even if people agree with some, even many, of his points, the socialist label will keep him down in many eyes. As will his appearance.

he probably can't get the Independent vote. But if he wins the general, I will celebrate along with his supporters, just like I did when Obama won. I'm a Democrat, first and foremost.

Independents love outsiders. That's how Bill Clinton got elected and that's how Obama got elected.

... then what's left of a smaller set of independents might be more conservative than they were in the past.

Quite frankly though, I think Bernie will do tons for getting more independents and some Republicans registered as Democrats.

But on many issues Sanders' stances are more what a MAJORITY of Americans want, including what independents and Republicans want.

Issues like TPP, domestic spying, prosecution of Wall Street criminals, are issues that cross party lines. Many of those independents and Republicans appreciate someone who appears more honest to them, even if they might disagree with him on some other issues.

Who treat the word socialist as an insult are going to switch to being registered Democrats because of a self described socialist?

He has a LOT of support from Republicans in Vermont as has been noted by Thom Hartmann on his show, and in other discussions.

Read this comment by a Republican that describes his voting pattern over the years for Republican presidents, and how he plans to vote for Bernie this year... The corporate media intentionally tries to make Sanders as someone that Republicans could never vote for. There are a lot of traditional Republicans that though conservative on many financial policies, etc. don't like the far right taking their party over, and appreciate honesty and populist stances on many issues that neither corporate owned party want to take on like "free trade" deals that screw the rest of us.

http://samuel-warde.com/2015/05/my-story-republican-supporting-bernie-sanders-for-president/

Every one I have seen, with not a single exception, says it is HRC for whom they will not vote. Luckily that's another example of the distance from DU to the real world.

I wouldn't refrain from voting to stop Republicans gaining any power at any level if the only feasible opposition were a Cabbage Patch Kid, so I'm pretty sure any current or likely Dem candidate can count on my enthuiastic support, donations and vote.

People just aren't going to trust progressive platitudes from Third Way candidates again.

McGovern in 1972. (Humphrey is on tape laughing it up with Tricky Dick at McGovern's defeat.)

My hope though is that Sanders energizes enough of the 50% who routinely do not vote to get out and vote to more than make up for the Quisling Dems.

It was the old guard in the party that threw the election because they didn't want to see a liberal Democrat win. I expect the former DLC/New Democrats will react similarly.

Most hard core progressives end up voting for less than ideal candidates out of legitimate and valid fears of a runaway GOP. We knock on the doors and pound the pavement even when we don't have the candidates we prefer. It is the young voters that end up being the most fickle and they are the ones that a Sanders candidacy would be most likely to inspire.

I usually do not vote in the primary unless it is down ticket.
by the time the primaries get to me. it is pretty much over.
I live in NC.

my full support and activism. So will whoever the Democratic nominee turns out to be. I've not seen any Hillary fan declare that they wouldn't vote for Bernie Sanders. Not one. I've seen several people say they will not vote for Hillary Clinton under any circumstances. It all works both ways.

If Bernie is the nominee, he gets my maximum effort. Whoever is the Democratic nominee gets that. Who has said otherwise?

Not sure about the primary. It is also up to the candidate and their supporters to gin up excitement. The only thing written in stone at this point is that we have three excellent candidates.

if this post was suppose inspire action, that again is an utter fail.

I know every single Hillry supporter here has said we will support our nominee.

Will you?

Will Sanders supporters?

Reading through this scenario without laughing requires the suspension of disbelief.

Banned

Since they probably didn't support Obama back in 2008 aka the 'PUMA' and DU didn't put put up with any of those people here at DU. Hillary was proud to endorse Obama and asked all her supporters to endorse Obama. But you know the media, they found the handful of disgruntled Hillary 'supporters' to make it seem like none of them wanted to support Obama. In the end it turned out it was a few sour grapes and not everyone. When Obama did his speech at Coors Stadium we were all united as one party and told the 'PUMA' to go fuck themselves.

Wouldn't it be neat if we could go back in time and find another example of perhaps an election that might have happened that was solid proof of Hillary Clinton asking her supporters to come out and support the other guy who did win the nomination. I know that's going to be real tough for us to think of an example since there are all those presidential elections that happen all the time and I have to scratch my head remember when Hillary might have been in a position of actually running for the democratic nominee but not actually winning (but coming oh so close..) and then asking her supporters to help support the actual winner and they do and that winner actually wins.

If we could only think of a good example to prove to you that her suppoters would actually do that would you believe it??

They say he can't get the moderate or independent voters like Hillary can.

It seems to me that if he won the nomination, the only way he could lose the general would be if Hillary supporters refused to vote for him?

What other way do you see?

the other more progressive upstart candidate that came from out of nowhere to win the primary. I mean I know it's hard to imagine someone actually beating Hillary in the primary but if we could only show that her supporters could actually support the other candidate in the general election...



Sorry. I see dumb posts like this and it's annoying. This is the same bullshit posted 8 years ago and you know what - the Hillary supporters came onboard and supported Obama with full blessing from Hillary. To see a post started like this is ridiculous. Hillary backed Obama all the way in 2008 and she was with the part and brought her supporters over. If Bernie beats Hillary fair and square (and why wouldn't he - I don't see him playing this game any other way) then why should she not support him. This is a joke to think that Hillary would suddenly tell her supporters to not support him or that Hillary supporters would suddenly not vote for Bernie. And really - who would vote for? Have you seen the idiots running for the GOP?

I'm more worried about Bernie supporters not backing Hillary than Hillary supporters not backing Bernie.

Oh, and I'm still waiting to see what Biden says else I'm still on team undeclared else go Democrats I'll support anyone NOT republican.

Only Hillary can.

How do they come to this conclusion?

jerks towards anyone who supports Clinton.

If the goal is to get Bernie elected as opposed to scoring points in Internet flame wars. People have differing motives.

I haven't seen a single Hillary supporter say they would not vote for Bernie if he wins the nomination.

You are worrying unnecessarily.

If Bernie beats Hillary in the primaries, he should have no problem in the general?

If not, why not?

What would cause him to lose?

Is this really a conservative nation or could it vote for a liberal Democrat like Sanders?

I'm trying to understand why he would not be a strong candidate in the general election?

If Bernie wins the Primaries and is the Dem Nominee for POTUS, I don't think he will beat the Republican candidate. Even if every DU'er voted for him.

But you think Hillary can win? But Bernie cannot? Why?

The question should be will they support that person, and obviously they will like they did en masse in 2008.

I would happily pull the lever for him in the general, if he were to be our nominee.

The only people here who are threatening to walk away from voting for the Dem nominee unless their candidate wins are on *your* side of the primary. Not ours.