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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCan we all agree? Hillary or Bernie, we'll vote Democratic in the general election!
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)flamin lib
(14,559 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)That usage is long-standing. Saying the Democratic Party is the crap the Rethugs came up with.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(116,003 posts)more than anything.
mvd
(65,187 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Especially, if it means the GOP have control of the White House and Congress.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)Even if by some weird happenstance it ends up being neither of them I will still vote Democratic. I personally hope it is Bernie but I will support whoever the Democratic party supports.
hamsterjill
(15,224 posts)I will be ready to vote for the candidate who is a Democrat. And I'll be there to vote, too.
I'm a Hillary supporter, but I also love Bernie's wisdom. If Hillary does get the nomination, I hope (sincerely) that she will be wise enough to make use of the talents around and among her, including Bernie and Elizabeth Warren.
If the reverse were to happen and Bernie were to get the nomination, I would hope he would do the same.
pampango
(24,692 posts)negotiating position. So for now I have to say, "I may not vote for the candidate who is my #2 choice."
I want candidate A+, not A and A-, (all Democrats, of course). If faced with an eventual choice of candidate A or A- versus candidate F+, F or F-, I think my choice will be pretty easy.
phantom power
(25,966 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)did not like kerry and did not vote in '04. after that election i spoke to a lot of people who didn't like kerry so they voted for bush. i'm sorry my husband didn't vote, but he never would have voted for a repub.
i will always vote for the dem nominee.
ismnotwasm
(42,028 posts)Definitely
corkhead
(6,119 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)If it's a Democrat, then great. If not, that's OK as well.
Every election is sold to us as armageddon - "the country won't survive if the Republicans win!" Part-and-parcel of this 'armageddon' narrative is that we have to compromise our principles and vote for a conservative Democratic candidate.
So assume we continue to follow this strategy. What will the Democratic Party look like in 2028? Well, it will occupy a position much farther to the right than it does currently. What will we have gained by enabling the conservative elements of the Party? A conservative Party.
I will not reward conservative Democrats with my vote. Want my vote? Push progressive policy.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Let's punish Gore for not being the perfect candidate by putting George W Bush into office for 4 years?
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)elleng
(131,413 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)I think those people who are inflexible on this issue think this way because they can afford to do so. The country will survive, and so will them.
They can "vote their principles" regardless of the outcome, because the outcome won't affect them personally.
But others don't have that luxury.
And for too many people, having Bush in office was Armageddon. But I guess that for the people back then who choose Nader over Gore it was a big consolation that they "voted their principle".
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)You sound like a Mafia don making me an offer I can't refuse. "Nice country you've got here. I'd be a shame if something were to happen to it..."
I will reward with my vote the candidate that best represents my positions. If that's a Democrat, then great. If not, that's okay too.
If Democrats want my vote, they need to earn it. They are not entitled to it by default.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Because I'm pointing out that electing Republicans cost lives?
Oh, my. I have no words...
But may I remind you that this site is called "DEMOCRATIC underground"? And it was elected to help DEMOCRATS get into office?
I think positions like your should be part of this sites TOS
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)that is all.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)Hekate
(91,039 posts)And posts 17 and 19. Also 14.
Still hotly debated on "Democratic" Underground.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)If Hillary wins the nomination, there likely won't be a Democrat in the General Election.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)beaglelover
(3,509 posts)Hekate
(91,039 posts)scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)I'm already so sick of seeing this kind of question here I have no idea how I'm going to make it all the way to November 2016 without doing a Walt Starr.
Here's the deal: on election day in November 2016, I'll be about a week away from my 67th birthday. I will have faithfully voted in every damn election - midterms, off-year local elections, special elections, you name it - since I was old enough to vote. And I have ALWAYS voted for Democrats, period.
And since the largest demographic on DU is people right around my age, it's a good bet that a great many, if not most, have the same kind of voting history I have. We're on DU because we're passionate about politics, we're here because we want to be informed and involved, we're here because we care a lot about the state of our government.
I resent being asked how I will vote. I resent being asked IF I will vote. Dammit, I've been voting my whole adult life - it's sort of a habit, like breathing and eating and sleeping.
But I tell you what - I have never completely closed the door on the possibility of NOT voting, if I ever reach the point where it feels like it's just plain useless. If I ever the reach the point where I simply can't stand participating in the charade any longer.
So I'm not promising anything to anybody on an internet forum. I'll know what I'm going to do when November 2016 rolls around, and not before.
Now, get off my lawn.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)No need for loyalty oaths.
Some may not go the extra mile for a candidate they don't like, but given a choice between a clown and a Democrat, we know what to do.
elleng
(131,413 posts)I'll agree to that.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Hell, even Jim, if it comes to that.
peecoolyour
(336 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Source is questionable imho. The problem is, we have so many that run free here it gets hard to distinguish between honest and insincere members.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)broiles
(1,370 posts)gopiscrap
(23,768 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)this loyalty shit.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)SamKnause
(13,114 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I would vote for a jade plant if it were running for the Dem party.
bhikkhu
(10,726 posts)In it for the long haul, like most of us I think. The alternative is still fresh in memory - the miserable years 2000-2008.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)I hope not, because I hate rearranging my sock drawer.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)So anything he says about 'submission' is to be denigrated. As for free will, if you can't willingly vote for the best candidate available, you're not seeing the big picture.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)But, I don't vote based on party.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)I can guarantee that I won't vote for a republican. I can't guarantee that I will fill out the entire ballot.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)eom
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Fortunately, I will in CT, where the DEM will likely win my state with or without my vote. It's a win-win. I get what I want ( ) and the party gets what it wants.
Vinca
(50,334 posts)I adore Bernie, but there is no way in hell I'll split the vote and let Scott Walker become president.
gordianot
(15,259 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Peacetrain
(22,881 posts)Va Lefty
(6,252 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)I've seen several "won't vote for" posts.
Even nominees have to win votes, and we don't have one of those yet.
As for me, I don't think there's anything any Democrat or Republican could do that would cause me to fail to vote D in 2016.
mvd
(65,187 posts)Unless Hillary goes hard right, which I doubt. And I would have trouble voting for Webb - fortunately he has very little backing.
If Hillary wins, I hope she chooses someone like Sanders or O'Malley as VP. That would help build trust. Sanders may be too old to be picked since Hillary would also be older, but it would be great if he was her choice.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)I know they are all OK there. My second one is Social Security. Bernie Sanders I'm sure of, Martin O'Malley pretty sure, Hillary Clinton not at all sure, and Lincoln Chaffee is on record as wanting to privatize it.
So at this point I can't commit to voting for anyone besides Bernie Sanders. Probably Martin O'Malley, and maybe Hillary Clinton.
I will not vote for anyone who wants to cut SS and/or turn it over to Wall Street.
Period.