I will take this chance to say I'm against that.

Against coerced vaginal ultrasounds.

because it it not your state now, the Koch's are coming after you next.

I try to vote. Sometimes if I see action alerts I call my reps. and stuff like that, sign petitions.

You're overall point is good. You're right. Men should be active in fighting these hideous coerced ultrasounds. And I think also for abortion rights in general.

If women are the leaders on this issue that's good too because it affects women most.

Honestly yes I could be better about paying attention to news about abortion rights. Maybe I can sign up for email alerts or something.

Because that's important.

I mean, somedays it's really crazy pills days on DU.

No-one's fucking ignoring it. No-one's fucking advocating it. I don't know why some are pretending anything different...


All I know is you referred to rape as 'the treatment' and I hadn't ever heard that one before...

I'm sorry that hurts your feelings.

Nothing much here at DU hurts my feelings by the way. I am, however, pretty disgusted when I see people wishing rape on anyone...

And don't forget the baseball bat post. I'm curious to know seeing one of the co-sponsors of that bill is a woman if you'd be wishing 'the treatment' on her as well...

Do I somehow give the impression I think women should be legally allowed to rape? WTF?

And no. Rape isn't rape. Fantasizing about a person writing vaginal probe laws having one inserted in them because it outrages you is not the same thing as generally fantasizing about rape because you get your rocks off that way. Equating the two is ridiculous and I can only imagine doing so because one has a certain agenda.

Because yr in this thread defending calls to rape a male politician.

If yr not going to answer the question, just let me know. I'm not into wasting time right now...

Which was would you be defending a wish to rape someone if it were a woman, which is what one of the co-sponsors of this bill is.

I couldn't give a shit about whether you think rape fantasies are okay or not. They shouldn't ever be okay at DU, and I'm consistent with that opinion...

I find this to be disgusting, revolting and functionally state-sanctioned rape. May its proponents get that ultrasound probe shoved up their asses with no lube.

for a week or two. Seems a small punishment. this is some evil shit.

i find this whole topic so horrible.

How could the republicans be in favor of this?? why are there no law suits being filed against rape by ultrasound ?

I don't happen to live in a state where the insane religious wing nuts have taken over or I would protest.

Should never be done.

Advocating anal rape is also not a good idea for advocates

Rape, whether it is a male, a female or a child, is an act of ultimate power and violence

Don't worry. I don't expect some folks to get it. And most folks on that thread do agree that this law a travesty.

Have a good evening.

And a perfect example of DU's recent suckage.

I would be gobsmacked to find one male on DU who finds it anything other than a complete horror show of a law.

Of course that doesn't stop people from posting nonsense implying Men at DU think it's just awesome!

Que the inevitable nonsense word gymnastics turning this post into one supporting the law and fervently hoping for its passage.

Some here throw the MRA term at men just because they are men. As a woman I am appalled by that, yet, this is DU.

Peace.

And a note to possible jury. Yes, this sucks to the point one expects to be alerted for mentioning certain ahem, trigger terms.

Not as many as are called one, but they are here. And I have heard the term "feminazis" from anti-feminists here far more than I have the other way around. There is a very definite, strong anti-woman bias here. It's better than other places on the internet, but that's not saying much.

When somebody does not agree with a clique.

As to the net. It's a reflection of the United States.

Never been a real fan of cliques.

Where are the men?

I doubt you'd find a single person, male or female, at DU who condones it. I don't get what the focus on male DUers is, anyway. Do I get an exemption because I'm a woman?

Given the 'logic' being exercised in the OP, it must mean that straights don't really give a shit about anti-gay legislation. 599 reads, 6 comments, and two recommendations for Senate Minority Blocks Same-Sex Marriage Veterans Benefits. I'll fully admit is it disappointing such threads garner little conversations, but in regards to this issue, the threads I have read there are quite a few men who are disgusted with the law, and I haven't seen anyone, not even a man, claim the law is OK. Granted, I haven't read all the threads, or even most of them, but I am guessing anyone who is advocating for this travesty would have been called out by now.

I can't remember ever posting anything about anti-gay legislation, but that in no way means I condone it or don't care. I suspect many DUers are like me and weigh in when things get contentious and there's arguments. In the cases with anti-gay legislation and this one being discussed, the vast majority of DUers are on the same page and unless some RW troll appears and gets going, don't say much...

Yeah, I haven't seen anyone, let alone a male DUer condone that bill. But I have read posts throwing anyone who disagrees with wishing rape on the RW politicians responsible for it under the bus and told we're defending it. Urgh...

I ran a quick search of GD and only found two threads with "ultrasound" in the topic of the thread. The first, IMO, is advocating sexual assault on one of the co-sponsors of the thread, and the other is this one, not complaining about the bill, but rather complaining that no man has started a thread about it. Given no women have started threads about this topic, other than to wish to inflict harm and complain about men not saying anything, where is the concern from women? It's a logical fallacy, I just can't remember which one. Is it "begging the question?"

We are against all the crazy shit they advocate. Why would you attack your allies?

Scott Walker is like a mass state rapist trying to force women to have unwanted utlrasounds before an abortion.

Like what's worse Scott Walker state raping thousands of people, or one metaphorical .... oh forget it.

I think the OP had a good point here.

I support abortion on demand and without apology, no forced ultrasounds.

because someone wanted a vaginal probe shoved up his ass in response to his forced ultrasound law. Seems like defending him to me.

I think wishing rape on anyone is utterly disgusting and there's no exceptions. You don't agree? Fine. But don't pretend that anyone who disagrees with you is some sort of anti-choicer supporter of that creep.

I still stand by everything I said. When someone writes laws forcing vaginal probes, people aren't going to like it. I can't fathom having uncharitable thoughts about the people who are angry about it. I don't get it. Sorry.

I have uncharitable thoughts about those who want to shove a baseball bat up someone's arse. I also have uncharitable thoughts about those who try to portray anyone who doesn't think it's just fine to say something like that as being anti-choice...

But it doesn't matter to me. People who are so angry about this that they wish violence are nowhere near the same on the scale of evil as the actual people who write the laws. I don't know what's so hard about this.

Here's the baseball bat post.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6777566

I hope that does matter to you because it's disgusting.

I'm also not sure why you think DUers aren't capable of multitasking. Most of us are quite aware that the bill itself is far, far worse than the posts at DU, but I get the impression you think we should be condoning those posts. I read the 'but it's just anonymous words on an internet forum', and I find it telling that NYC_SKP's words aren't seen the same way...

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6777566

And it works since I linked directly from the link I gave you, second one.

About wishing rape on someone. These "uncharitable thoughts" are simply about not wanting to see posts calling for rape on this board. They shouldn't be here--the anger behind them is understandable, but the comments themselves are wrong and offensive.

Find a single male DUer in favor of vaginal ultrasound! Find even one!

I'm supposed to shout from the rooftops at every opportunity that this law sucks.

It does suck, but so do a lot of other things that I don't repeatedly point out.

I said I don't repeatedly point out a lot of things that suck.

and other proponents in the hope that it will finally sink in through the cement.

It's rape. It is painful. It is NOT "NEAT."

Its only purpose is to shame women who have had sex, even if that sex was rape.

Too many men out there have no idea what that means.

That is the shame, not the angry women wanting to make Walker understand in the only way men like that ever do get the point, when it happens to them.

that politician would be over the top.

precluding the possibility of educating said pol.

"Its only purpose is to shame women who have had sex, even if that sex was rape."

What is "it" in the context of your post? Rape?

Sorry for the confusion

AKA rape by proxy using a 12 inch, heavy plastic dildo.

Those things are great if they're trying to locate tumors and stage them and they use them with the woman's consent.

When they're medically unnecessary, it's rape. There is no reason to use them on women in an abortion clinic, absolutely none except rape and shaming.

Very much agree with that, thanks for the clarification.

this.

I was not aware that by not starting an OP on it, I was opening myself to being accused of advocating rape however.

I hope this clears it up.

If anyone on DU supports this practice, I'll become vocal in arguing against them.

I do what I can by donating to Planned Parenthood, so that they can lobby to oppose anti-choice laws. I don't preach to the choir because cred-building exercises don't interest me in the slightest. Why should DUers make threads to satisfy you or anyone else?

...if you feel so strong about this. I think these forced penetrations are an assault with a tool and could easily be called rape. Sounds like a Justice and Public Safety concern, rather than a healthcare concern to me. Walker and other Republicans would probably disagree, which is why I am a Democrat.

Pretty sure nothing but total outrage has been clearly shown about this at DU, though.

I'm sure the forced state rape is only demeaning for, oh, say, a few minutes.

Seriously, I don't see how a law like this can withstand a good old-fashioned lawsuit. Sue the state for rape.
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The state violating a woman's body in such a horrifying way is the kind of shit you'd expect from some kind of right-wing dystopian future. And yet, here it is - in our present.

In fact, I'll do you one better. Remember when all those celebrities and corporations quite publicly condemned and boycotted Indiana a few months ago over its anti-LGBT law? Where are those people now?

Because I can think of few things more worthy of collective, highly visible public condemnation than state-enforced rape.

make it gender free by calling it a Personal Cavity Ultrasound. I missed whatever article is being discussed, but got the gist and the asshole under discussion.

And yes, it is rape by the state when mandatory under any circumstances, but if it's made gender neutral, then maybe it won't be quite so sexist.

I don't know whether this is sarcasm or not.

THAT is the message, the reality, the FACT of this.

This IS State-Sponsored Rape. Forcible entry into a woman's vagina without her consent is RAPE. Pure 'n' simple. That's WHAT THIS IS.

We're gonna have to amp this UP. CALL IT WHAT IT IS. FORCE America to look at it and see it for what it REALLY IS.

The bad guys have embroidered this as somehow "saving babies." Well, the FACTS are - there are NO babies HERE. There. Is. No. "Baby". Ultrasounds mandated at this early stage in a pregnancy will show this. That there is no "baby," per se. There is a mass of differentiating cells. There's an embryo. And frankly, at such an early stage, the uninitiated (who are usually the ones who are on this most ferociously) might not even be able to tell if this was a human embryo - or a cow embryo or a cat embryo or I daresay even an iguana embryo at this stage, if the image were isolated and presented without context. With a tail, even, at this early stage!

This is STATE-SPONSORED RAPE. STATE-SANCTIONED RAPE. Worse - STATE-MANDATED RAPE. Forcible entry into a woman's vagina without her consent is RAPE.

Forcible entry into a woman's vagina without her consent is RAPE.

Forcible entry into a woman's vagina without her consent is RAPE.

Forcible entry into a woman's vagina without her consent is RAPE.

Forcible entry into a woman's vagina without her consent is RAPE.

Forcible entry into a woman's vagina without her consent is RAPE.

Forcible entry into a woman's vagina without her consent is RAPE.

Forcible entry into a woman's vagina without her consent is RAPE.

Some have decided the problem is the anger directed at the oppressors that deserves first concern. Others feel ok using it to build up their du cred. Most are angry at the oppressors.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026787996

Then have thousands of marchers hold them up during political speeches, asking if the politician would like to try it out. Would make for a nice visual.

something that is only advocated by right wing religious extremists.

Who is remaining silent? I'm a DU man. Name a DU man advocating rape? We are on your side!

Your post is awful! Just awful! You should be ashamed.