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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCaitlyn Jenner and the Duggers have something significant in common
They're both big, glossy, reality show distractions. And boy, are they effective.
malaise
(269,365 posts)although I never saw more than ten minutes in total of those sick Fuggars.
mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)Duggars,Jenner,Kardashians,Honey BooBoo,bachelors,Bachelorettes,Palins
Fake TV nonsense ,especially those who exploit their children for bucks.
undeterred
(34,658 posts)Throw in Sarah Palin.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Swine manure lagoon?
Mud-wrestling pit?
Big bag of moose shit?
The possibilities are endless.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
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snooper2
(30,151 posts)I guess that will never be settled for some LOL
From 2007
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Exactly.
CrawlingChaos
(1,893 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)can we have the real world back someday ?
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)It has changed though.. it is more about getting them drunk and into hot tubs. Filming their fights. It is on mtv
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Real_World
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Both media whores have produced very vocal responses from other Republicans
One man a danger to all minor girls is upheld as an icon...a life that is held as the standard for all.
The other vilified and degraded.....his choices affecting only himself.
cali
(114,904 posts)been celebrated far more than vilified and the Duggers, rightfully, have been far more vilified than celebrated. Just who is getting a major award for courage? Who has a new reality show? Who had their show cancelled. And all you have to do is google their respective names.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)transgender persons of much more gravitas and much less ballyhoo many times over in the past. The larger culture failed to do so, so now that conversation is happening starring Caitlyn. The conversation is in fact a prerequisite for graduation, and it might have been best to talk about Wendy Carlos or Lana Wachowski or Dr Marci Bowers or Chaz Bono or even Alexis Arqutte, but no. Straight America could not get into it prior to Jenner. Whose fault is that exactly?
pansypoo53219
(21,016 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)was caught up in the mess that is the Kardashians. But she has divorced the hot mess that is Kris, and maybe her fame came be of some good to someone in the future.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Jenner's transition and the Kardashian clan.
Here I thought we would be able to talk about Jenner, one of the most public transgender individuals in the world, in the context of trans* rights and acceptance, without invoking the Kardashians every fucking time, even with the divorce and the knowledge that Jenner had been considering transitioning well before she ever met that family making them irrelevant as far as the transition is concerned to all except the usual suspects looking for an excuse.
I would also hope we'd be able to discuss her without drawing any comparison whatsoever to a family that enabled a child molestor and pushed a blatantly misogynist worldview through their show.
I even thought that all of this nonsense makes this discussion about trans* rights all the more important.
But, hey, I guess that's all asking too fucking much.
cali
(114,904 posts)Caitlyn's new reality show, etc
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)It's like "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" goes transgender.
I have a family member who watches a lot of the trash TV and I get involuntarily exposed to it from time to time, all I can say is it's surprising our culture isn't an even bigger mess.
LostOne4Ever
(9,302 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)in a major way, and she's verdict a commodity now. We're talking hundreds of millions, if not more. Sorry, but I believe the crass commercialism so deeply woven into our society, is not a good thing.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)LostOne4Ever
(9,302 posts)Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Blue_Adept
(6,402 posts)And the issue you have is more a media issue than a Jenner issue. Yes, the show is one thing, but the roll out of the information about everything else has been milked by the media itself.
But the result of it all is fantastic for people who have been suffering hugely, quietly, for years. A good chunk of that curtain has been pulled away and there's a lot more people that are a lot more understanding now that they've seen it laid out so simply and clearly.
As much as I'm bored by the constantness of it in the infotainment news programs, it's done a hell of a lot of good.
I can't say that about the Duggar stuff.
cali
(114,904 posts)Blue_Adept
(6,402 posts)It's just like when the conversation really began to change in the early 2000's with more gay people on TV. It changes the dynamic, it gets people talking, and it begins to push back in a strong way against bigotry and other issues, allowing more people to talk about it and who they really are.
I've seen countless discussions about it throughout social media, particularly with millennials in shock at the way their parents are about it, and that they're pushing back against them to get them to understand it.
Plenty of good will come from it and has for many people. Just the sheer amount of "media acceptance" on the infotainment side has been a huge boon.
cali
(114,904 posts)I hope you're right. We'll see.
MH1
(17,635 posts)of a group of people who have been mostly ignored.
The conversation seems to be going in a good direction for the transgender community.
Of course, religious fundies may not see that as "good". But it's almost an axiom that what they see as "not good" really is good for the normal world.
(I'm not a Jenner fan. To my knowledge, she's a conservative republican, who is using her wealth to solve her personal issues that most people with similar issues don't come close to having the resources to solve, and anyway those folks would probably rather eat and have a decent secure home first.)
Logical
(22,457 posts)show necessary.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)It's effective.
Fuck me to tears.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)to a family of misogynists and child abuse enablers to really drive home the point.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)For Manning, it was the "traitor" bit. For Jenner, it's the tired old Kardashian hate.
DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)Then again, I'm afraid most straight people don't understand much about the LGBT community.
herding cats
(19,569 posts)I'm glad to see you beat me to it.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Shame on you.