It is policy that matters.
The only reason this stuff is notable is because Hillary does have all of this baggage, and the GOP is going to drag it all out again.
Surely that was planned for.

just as they did on John Kerry. Others baggage will also hit the streets, we just don't need to do this here on DU.

As hard as the attacks on Hillary may sound hard for Clinton supporters there are not comparable in perversity as the ones thrown at Kerry. Kerry had litterally his honor dragged into the mud with Swiftboaters liars. Not the same level with Clinton.
Im especilly thinking on the one re. Clinton foundation. It is not personnal. It s political only . But as much as I dont lile Hillary, yes sexist attacks are unbeareable and no ole deserves it

For her. Yes they have innuendos about Hillary and non scandals. It was shameful the attacks was from other military and was lies.

What is likely true is that they were already doing opposition research on all possible candidates. Note in 2007/2008, Corsi, one of the men involved in smearing JK, wrote an anti Obama book that came out in 2008. Obviously, this started well before early 2008, when he first was seen as having a real shot against HRC.

because it is trashing the Clintons. I would like to refrain from throwing out the scandals on other candidates, we know lots of items which is questionable but every candidate needs to sell themselves, riding on the scandals hoping it will change votes probably will not work, Clinton supporters have heard this crap for a long time, Hillary is the strongest best qualified, she does not need the scandals on other candidates to make her strong.

I notice when a poster posts a pro Sanders thread the Hillary supporters largely leave it alone...I notice when a poster posts a pro Hillary thead several Sanders supporters disrupt it.

bad choice?

Even though he had been mayor - and done good things and was still loved there. Even though the gorgeous people's park that we were in was partly the result of work his administration did.

I never ONCE heard anyone say that it was unfortunate that Bill Clinton chose a state ranked in the bottom 10 in almost everything where you wanted to be number one. Not to mention, it was ALL Clinton people speaking of Burlington's lack of diversity -- ignoring that any day, you can see Somalians, Nepali, Vietnamese, Brunadi etc people walking the streets, especially in the North end going about their business. (Burlington is a refugee resettlement town.)

My point was contained to interrupting threads.

Re-homogeneity and heterogeneity


I have lived in three states-FL, NY, and CA. Those are heterogeneous states. Vermont is a homogeneous state. That's an empirical observation and not a normative one.


Oh, I don't know how Arkansas was related to my point but Arkansas is a heterogeneous state too.. That's an empirical observation and not a normative one as well.

Every single one - including mine, written subjectively on what I saw as a Burlington resident who went to it.

Had they ONLY written of that concern on threads not started by anyone wanting to speak about Bernie's kick off I would not have responded to you. You MIGHT consider that the fact that you did not "see" the HRC supporters interrupting threads on either the substance of Sanders' message there or the description of what the event was like. (Best summarized by a long term VT resident in an email to my husband on his observations - as "Vermont nice". ) Yet, you "see" anything even slightly not positive on HRC as an attack.

Did you see Sanders people complaining about anything Clinton did announcing via social media? I didn't, but I could easily have missed something. Did they complain about O'Malley's or Chaffee's events -- again, not that I saw.

As to empirical and not normative -- do you have empirical numbers FOR BURLINGTON -- not the state. There is a difference -- and one that has led to some Vermonters that we have met, to saying as a joke when we said we had moved to Burlington - "that's near Vermont".

Not to mention, this is a BOGUS criteria, that was designed to diminish the message that the event was designed to show. Note that in 2008, HRC announced via a taped video - made months before given the weather seen through the windows - made from her home in Chappaqua - a far wealthier, less diverse enclave than Burlington. (Yes, I've been there and have good friends who live "on the wrong side of town" even though they are solidly middle or upper middle class. The Clintons, by the way, don't live on that side of town. ) This time, her team again used social media to declare she was in.

Sanders has executive experience running a city. Sure it is a small city, but he changed it for the better in many many ways that matter to people who live here. Now O'Malley has run a bigger, more diverse city and did some good things. In both cases, announcing from "home" shows the people who know them best, support them. Another point, given that Hillary ran the State Department, this means that NONE of our potential candidates can be said not to have ever had executive experience.

Not to mention, the issue here is whether HRC people interrupted positive Sanders' threads -- and whether you feel the point was valid or not --- yes, you guys did. What I don't get, is why you did that, given that HRC is by far the most likely to get the nomination. Why not let others enjoy what may be the highlight of their candidate's run?

Point One- Out of twenty posts in this thread six or so are disruptive.
Point Two- Pro Clinton posters disrupting a pro Sanders thread is in very poor taste.
Point Three- I didn't disrupt any pro-Sanders threads or pro any Democratic Candidate threads unless another candidate was portrayed in a negative light
Point Four- Here are the demographics for Burlington:

Where the Bernie threads on his kickoff were celebratory, this thread is on an ISSUE and, contrary to the OP, there are things that may be questioned. (This even though the foundation has done some very good work that the Clintons will and should get credit for.)

More importantly, your whine was that Clinton people don't interrupt the Bernie threads. You have yet to admit that EVEN the threads on his kick off were interrupted - mostly by this BOGUS issue.

By that, I don't mean that Bernie will not have to deal with racial issues, but the man who was part of SNCC and went to South to help blacks gain the right to vote at a point where that put his life in jeopardy, should have no trouble doing that.

However, it would have seemed beyond strange had he NOT had his kick off celebration in the town where he has lived for 40 years. The fact that that lovely park exists because of good decisions when he was mayor -- at a time where allowing high rise condos to be built instead could easily have happened - showcases part of his values. Not to mention, his emphasis on things like open government and affordable housing. Open government, concern for the environment, affordable housing, etc are all issues -- and not just for white Vermonters.

But, to get back to the main point, Clinton supporters, supporting the inevitable nominee (and this time I think that is 100%) DID feel the need to INTERRUPT (your word) even what may likely be the emotional high point of the Bernie campaign. Then, you have the chutzpah to whine that in this thread, 6 people are interrupting -- which seems to mean not blindly agreeing with the OP.

Edited to say that looking at the posts, you need to rethink what is "interrupting". You clearly counted all my posts -- that directly responded to your posts. Disagreeing is not interrupting - even when my post showed you were wrong.

Here are your compatriots disrupting a thread about a successful young Asian American woman who is using her hard earned and deserved celebrity to endorse one of our fine Democratic candidates for president.



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It is really sad...

Anyone posting garbage anywhere is NOT my compatriot. Not to mention, there is no candidate that I am behind for 2016. I am sad that the powers that be long ago ceded the race to Clinton, who I will vote for in the general election because she is better than a Republican.

I realize that you are excited by Clinton running. I understand how it feels to be very excited by a candidate and everything they stand for -- and to see many others, who you think should see the same think, speak of holding their noses. I am 65 and the candidate who most impressed me over the entire time that I could vote was John Kerry.

I went to the Sanders' kickoff because it was 4 miles down the bike path from my home and open to all. I liked what I saw, think he is a great person, but really doubt he could win. I greatly resent the attacks on him because he made the obvious choice as to where to start his run.

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ON EDIT: That would explain why there are fewer rebuttals in Bernie posts - it's harder to find things for which to criticize him.

This is a discussion board, after all, and if one doesn't want discussion one can take one's OP to a protected group.

It's fair to "disrupt" (i.e. post rebuttals to) a discussion if only one viewpoint is being presented

BTW, in my seminal post on this topic I was making an empirical observation and not a normative one.

Don't pretend otherwise.

I even noted that some Clinton supporters disrupt pro Sanders threads as well:

is that it's much harder for Hillary supporters to find legitimate grievances with Bernie's policies - for every admirable policy stance by Hillary, Bernie is just as good or better.

The inverse is not true.

is the way the conflate the charitable foundation with personal wealth.
Second pet peeve is lying about where and how the money is spent.

Sid

Then you're the New York Times.

The Clintons are just like the rest and frankly no one is surprised.

SARCASM

Dry ice disproves that particular bit of bumper-sticker wisdom...

Dry ice produces FOG not smoke

The Fog forms when water vapor in the air condenses into tiny suspended droplets

Smoke is a collection of airborne solid and liquid particulates and gases emitted when a material undergoes COMBUSTION

That's why I tend to ignore most of them. I know that at some point the truth will inevitably come out and that the so called "scandal" of the day will turn out to be not much of one at all.

It seems that some on the Left have jumped on the "Clinton scandal" meme with as much glee as the Right has been doing since Bill was governor.

The special prosecutor was tasked with investigating a land deal in AR, not with finding out who was servicing Bill.

I wish there was some way we could make the assholes pay for their slander!

The REAL criminals are the REPUBLICANS that are selling us off to the Chinese through the U.S. Chamber of Commerce!

HRC once again, comes out of a scandal that was bullshit and now everyone knows it!

Well, not Fuxnews viewers but they were never going to vote for her anyway!

she should stay out of the penthouse 127 stories above the kitchen.

It is going to get much worse. Much much worse.