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boston bean

(36,228 posts)
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 07:00 AM Jun 2015

Ralph Nader Slams Hillary Clinton With Sexist Rant About “The Problem Of Women”

Newsflash: Ralph Nader isn’t a Hillary Clinton fan. I know, it shouldn’t surprise anyone — Ralph hates anyone with a (D) next to their name.

But the sickening part is that he’s got a horribly sexist explanation for his contempt for Hillary Clinton, and for other women in positions of power.


“This is the problem of women trying to overcompensate in becoming more aggressive and macho so they are not accused of being soft on the need to kill and war, right? Instead of taking the tradition of women of peace, and turning into a muscular waging of peace of conflict and prevention, she [Clinton] did the reverse, and [Madeline] Albright did the reverse and Anne Marie Slaughter did the reverse and some of Obama’s advisers did the reverse.”


http://www.hillarymojo.com/2015/06/07/ralph-naders-sexist-rant-about-the-problem-of-women-in-positions-of-power-will-disgust-you/
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Ralph Nader Slams Hillary Clinton With Sexist Rant About “The Problem Of Women” (Original Post) boston bean Jun 2015 OP
Peace is good RobertEarl Jun 2015 #1
Why doesn't this surprise me? Skidmore Jun 2015 #2
My suspicion is that if HRC is elected, we'll see a "post-feminist" backlash from the right bigbrother05 Jun 2015 #30
I think we've been experiencing one for a while now. Skidmore Jun 2015 #33
So true, but think they'll turn it up to 12 if she's elected bigbrother05 Jun 2015 #34
Ralph Nader. Jumping the shark for years. lovemydog Jun 2015 #3
I lost all respect for Nader in 2000. MBS Jun 2015 #4
Same here. Frank Cannon Jun 2015 #8
well said. MBS Jun 2015 #24
Just an Independent with his head up his butt! leftofcool Jun 2015 #5
Fuck Ralph Nader. Itchinjim Jun 2015 #6
Clinton says U.S. could "totally obliterate" Iran OnyxCollie Jun 2015 #7
If Iran were to launch a nuclear attack on Israel.... boston bean Jun 2015 #15
"An attack," not a nuclear attack. OnyxCollie Jun 2015 #17
A nuclear attack, the article explicitly states that was what she was referring. boston bean Jun 2015 #18
So a conventional attack on Israel OnyxCollie Jun 2015 #22
deal... you made an erroneous point. boston bean Jun 2015 #23
I'm just trying to find out where Hillary stands. OnyxCollie Jun 2015 #25
If Iran launched a NUCLEAR attack on Israel, boston bean Jun 2015 #26
Why must the US defend Israel? OnyxCollie Jun 2015 #28
Why not? nt boston bean Jun 2015 #31
IF Iran attacked Israel... JaneyVee Jun 2015 #16
Ralph Nader 2000 Campaign Interview: 'I choose Bush.' onehandle Jun 2015 #9
Yep. And now he's at it again. MoonRiver Jun 2015 #12
as much as I dislike Hillary DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #10
Yep, sexist. nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #11
Ralph "gonadal politics" Nader is a piece of trash. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #13
Sexist attacks should be stomped on with all the respect they deserve. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #14
Coordinated attack? nt. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #19
Well, I have seen some here use this same type of argument boston bean Jun 2015 #20
Seems to be the initial response from some. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #21
Link to the worse one, I would like to read it. nt Logical Jun 2015 #37
Who cares what Nader thinks? Gothmog Jun 2015 #27
FUCK RALPH NADER, THE MAN PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR GEORGE W. BUSH!!!!! MohRokTah Jun 2015 #29
+1 gollygee Jun 2015 #35
The problem of "...women trying to overcompensate..." CanSocDem Jun 2015 #32
This is his longer way of saying "But Margaret Thatcher!!11" Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #36
Imagine if in 2008 Nader had stated "This is the problem of AA trying to overcompensate..." Beacool Jun 2015 #38
he called Obama an Uncle Tom, so there's that . . . nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #40
I missed that one. Beacool Jun 2015 #41
Ralph who? zappaman Jun 2015 #39

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
2. Why doesn't this surprise me?
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 07:07 AM
Jun 2015

Hillary is not on the top of my list for a few reasons, but this is uncalled for. It denigrates women in all political endeavors and sets a standard which would prohibit women from entering in the highest office in the land.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
30. My suspicion is that if HRC is elected, we'll see a "post-feminist" backlash from the right
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 09:28 AM
Jun 2015

Thinking in terms of how PBO's election was proof that we are a post-racial nation, the right felt they were freed from any pretense of even-handedness. Look at their attacks on the President, civil rights, and voting.

Given the stepped up attacks on women's rights, health and pay, what will we see once an election of HRC "proves" that women are equal in America and therefore legal protections, etc. are no longer needed.

The mind shudders to consider how ugly an openly misogynist GOP will be.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
33. I think we've been experiencing one for a while now.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 10:04 AM
Jun 2015

What do you think all of the anti-women legislation is about? The legislating of barefoot and pregnant has been going on for several years now.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
34. So true, but think they'll turn it up to 12 if she's elected
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 02:16 PM
Jun 2015

Who imagined what we've seen since 2009 based on the lead in to Nov 2008?

The voter suppression, etc. during the Bush years was only the prelude, 2017 will look like the zombie apocalypse.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
4. I lost all respect for Nader in 2000.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 07:08 AM
Jun 2015

I thank him for his earlier work on consumer protections, but as for the rest. . not helpful, to say the least.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
8. Same here.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 07:21 AM
Jun 2015

I used to be huge fan. Somewhere around the turn of the century he went from being a real crusader to an enormous douchnozzle.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
7. Clinton says U.S. could "totally obliterate" Iran
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 07:17 AM
Jun 2015
Clinton says U.S. could "totally obliterate" Iran
http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/04/22/us-usa-politics-iran-idUSN2224332720080422

On the day of a crucial vote in her nomination battle against fellow Democrat Barack Obama, the New York senator said she wanted to make clear to Tehran what she was prepared to do as president in hopes that this warning would deter any Iranian nuclear attack against the Jewish state.

"I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran (if it attacks Israel)," Clinton said in an interview on ABC's "Good Morning America."

"In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them," she said.

"That's a terrible thing to say but those people who run Iran need to understand that because that perhaps will deter them from doing something that would be reckless, foolish and tragic," Clinton said.

boston bean

(36,228 posts)
15. If Iran were to launch a nuclear attack on Israel....
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 08:14 AM
Jun 2015

is what she is speaking of..

That is the right thing to say, in order deter any such action.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
22. So a conventional attack on Israel
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 08:55 AM
Jun 2015

would not result in obliterating Iran?

Would decimating Iran be better?

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
25. I'm just trying to find out where Hillary stands.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 09:04 AM
Jun 2015

She isn't talking now, so I have to go on what she's said in the past.

Since she's willing to start a war with Iran on Israel's behalf, would she let the NSA continue to provide raw intelligence to Israel?

If you could provide a link to answer my question, that would be greatly appreciated.

boston bean

(36,228 posts)
26. If Iran launched a NUCLEAR attack on Israel,
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 09:07 AM
Jun 2015

her response is justified.

That you want to ignore the context of the article that you yourself posted, go ahead.

I'm not going to deal with the type of misrepresentation you are trying to make here.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
28. Why must the US defend Israel?
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 09:13 AM
Jun 2015

They've got their own nukes.

An eagerness to participate in a nuclear war is not an admirable quality.

"Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran"

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
9. Ralph Nader 2000 Campaign Interview: 'I choose Bush.'
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 07:55 AM
Jun 2015
Will Ralph Nader become Al Gore's worst nightmare?

Of more immediate interest, at least to Al Gore, are Nader's respectable poll numbers: 7 to 10 percent in California as of June, 6 percent nationally. If California tips Green enough, Bush could win the state and the whole damn election.

Which, Nader confided to Outside in June, wouldn't be so bad. When asked if someone put a gun to his head and told him to vote for either Gore or Bush, which he would choose, Nader answered without hesitation: "Bush."


http://www.outsideonline.com/1837851/ralph-nader-2000-campaign-interview

Nader flew back and forth between California and Florida, finally spending the most of the last few weeks in Florida, and fulfilling his goal of a Bush Presidency.

Mission Accomplished! Eight years of Bush. Thirty years of a right-wing SCOTUS. Citizens United. Massive illegal redistricting. Permanent state of war. Etc, etc, etc...

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
12. Yep. And now he's at it again.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 07:59 AM
Jun 2015

Trying to derail the presumptive Democratic candidate. Nader's problem is nobody cares about his sexist hate.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
10. as much as I dislike Hillary
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 07:57 AM
Jun 2015

This was unacceptable, period. Yes, you can mention Maggie and Golda and others, but you do not go ahead and speak of all women that way.

Then again, this is Ralph, the guy stumping for Rand Paul.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
13. Ralph "gonadal politics" Nader is a piece of trash.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 08:01 AM
Jun 2015

He did great things in the 1970's, but he's worse than useless now.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
14. Sexist attacks should be stomped on with all the respect they deserve.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 08:09 AM
Jun 2015

If anyone wants to make this a more public argument count me in.

boston bean

(36,228 posts)
20. Well, I have seen some here use this same type of argument
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 08:52 AM
Jun 2015

against her...

So, maybe it is. Is Nader supporting Bernie?

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
32. The problem of "...women trying to overcompensate..."
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 09:35 AM
Jun 2015

...Is not ALL women.

Just those women who choose to project appearance of '...aggression and machismo'.

A woman waging war is no less evil than a man waging war.

They really did have a "tradition of peace" and a matriarchal persona that always fueled my desire for more women in government. Now it seems they are ready to sacrifice those values for power.



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Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
36. This is his longer way of saying "But Margaret Thatcher!!11"
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 02:56 PM
Jun 2015

The progressive male's way of shutting down the possibility of expanding women's roles in leadership.

Beacool

(30,254 posts)
38. Imagine if in 2008 Nader had stated "This is the problem of AA trying to overcompensate..."
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:41 PM
Jun 2015

People would have been outraged and he would have been summarily excoriated by the media and civil rights activists.

Say the same thing about a woman and it's crickets all around........

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