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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy did Obama push this Trade Deal?
Every thing I've read shows it is a flawed Pact that will hurt working Americans. Obviously the Dems in Congress agree.
Should i just be cynical and think it was about Big Money behind him to get it passed?
Did he think this was the best we could do and it would be better than no deal?
Did he truly think it would deliver the results he says, even though there has been considerable argument it wouldn't?
I'm not sure. What do you think.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)That's my opinion after involvement with the party since 1970 as a kid.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Hell be worth $100m just like Bill, mostly from collecting speaking fees. Big corporations get very generous with those fees when a president pushes something like the TPP.
Look what Bill got for the Glass-Steagall repeal
dawg
(10,626 posts)I just think he has some beliefs about economic matters that are not very liberal.
In other words, I don't think he would ever sell us out. He's just wrong.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)So there's that.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)So there's that.
tech3149
(4,452 posts)I don't recall if it was consortiumnews or counterpunch or who the author was but the interpretation and justification were clear.
It was based on quotes from his books that stated without being ambiguous that he was a true believer in "free market capitalism".
His association with the FIRE industries and his appointments as economic advisers pretty much confirmed that.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Gloria
(17,663 posts)and all the Christian crazies before 2008 , as I wrote about on my blog. Which is why I didn't vote for him in 2008. Not to mention the primaries back then and the GOP-tactics his camp used.
I held my nose in 2012 in an attempt to keep the GOP at bay, but he seems to be more GOP-lite than ever.
Won't miss him at all....
However, I may have to hold my nose again this time, but it has to be done because right now in time,the GOP is insane and we need the Supreme Court to not go totally down the tubes..
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)I see no other reason.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)He probably feels about this one like he would if he were defending General Motors for exploding ignition switches. Probably relieved this case is over.
Yep, you just told a falsehood.
Barack Obama has NEVER been a corporate lawyer.
Get your facts straight.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Irony, while it often contains a larger truth, is usually lost on literal minds.
"FALSE!" - I'm still laughing.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)ananda
(28,923 posts)Sold out.
Rex
(65,616 posts)They shutdown the government and tried to kill the ACA 50 times...but now we trust them?
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Rex
(65,616 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)he worked with republicans and attacked real dems opposed to this.
the corporations wanted it so he pushed for it.who cares if unions and working people get screwed.
He was ok to take 700 million out of medicare to help pay for it.
pscot
(21,024 posts)falls the shadow. There's a disconnect somewhere. He doesn't explain himself, so we're left guessing.
dawg
(10,626 posts)And this isn't the only time that side of him has shown through.
He told us himself that he was the equivalent of a moderate Republican from the 1980's. This is the kind of thing they supported.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)This game is fun.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Oh, that was funny!
Avalux
(35,015 posts)This has nothing do to with where Obama's heart lies, since none of us will ever know that. Even if he personally opposes TPP, I think he's been told to make sure it passes or else. This legislation is huge and will push us further towards a global economy so I don't think he is a decision maker in this case.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Hillary got on the campaign trail and had to sell it. Yes, the GOP wants it too, but that would not stop them from using sock puppets pacs to play "progressive" and hit her with attacks ads, especially as Ralph Nader is stumping for Rand Paul.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)A lot of people think that on balance the trade deal will be bad for America, but a lot think it will be good. It's mainly (although not exclusively) on the far left where it's an article of faith that NAFTA and TPP are the work of the devil.
Here, for example, is a well-written article defending it. I have no idea if it's right, but it's certainly not obviously daft.
http://www.vox.com/2015/5/14/8606853/adam-posen-tpp
Egnever
(21,506 posts)"The other thing is, just like in congressional negotiations or labor negotiations, you dont do all the negotiating in public because you want people to be able to hold their opinions, try ideas out, speculate. Thats how negotiations get done in the real world. If you make them transparent from day one there can be no deal, for the most part, because people cant have every position flying through the press."
The why is it secret line is nonsense and makes me discount most of what critics have to say about it.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,514 posts)suddenly are all about poor brown workers rights and puppies for all. If you're not down with this. You're just a nationalistic fascist racist. At least according to our number 1 resident bullshitter.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)whose jobs have never been in danger of being outsourced.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)and we're not in on what the payoff is? I still don't think that Obama has learned that the republicans would have reneged on their end anyway.