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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThere is no comparison between transgender people and Rachel Dolezal
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/12/comparison-transgender-people-rachel-dolezalThe way in which people compare how Rachel Dolezal identified as black and then was revealed to be of European descent to how transgender women are really men pretending to be women reveals the enormous bigotry that many cisgender people have against trans people, more than anything else about race or gender. Some people are willing to make any negative comparison no matter how far-fetched to discredit and shame us trans women.
The fundamental difference between Dolezals actions and trans peoples is that her decision to identify as black was an active choice, whereas transgender peoples decision to transition is almost always involuntary. Transitioning is the product of a fundamental aspect of our humanity gender being foisted upon us over and over again from the time of our birth in a manner inconsistent with our own experience of our genders. Doctors dont announce our race or color when we are born; they announce our gender. People who are alienated from their presumed gender and define themselves according to another gender have existed since earliest recorded history;
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(I am not the author, the article is written in first person. Good read.)
ismnotwasm
(42,030 posts)I'm sorry this even has to be addressed.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Actually, I'm a little surprised DU wasn't worse, considering. But it is such a spurious comparison.
rock
(13,218 posts)It's a good example of how critical thinking in the US is not well taught. Which as I like to say is just what the politicians want.
Spazito
(50,655 posts)Excellent points made in the article. Thanks for posting this.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Thank you for posting this, excellent read.
Comparing Dolezal to trans people is offensive on so many levels.
Skittles
(153,321 posts)IDIOTS
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Skittles
(153,321 posts)for breaking my own rule about never being surprised at how ignorant conservative assholes really are
on edit - whoa - this was on DU? I'll have to double down on my ass - I guess I should not be surprised at that either
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)countryjake
(8,554 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And people rec'd it.
JustAnotherGen
(32,074 posts)And the OP a side eye!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They mocked and insulted for sport - no excuse.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)JustAnotherGen
(32,074 posts)The other day - I was like - the hay?
Another one - doesn't rub shoulders.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Making light of the bigotry and violence visited upon a murdered trans woman by comparing her life to that of a liar.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)I suppose I could be alienated from my ethnic background, but that couldn't be from birth. It would have to do with experience and you have to have lived a while to have that.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,388 posts)The author's title claims there is no comparison.
Then he proceeds to make a comparison.
Maybe just critique this young lady on the merits of her claims, and the effect those claims have had on her career.
To me, her parents have "outed" her as white, which may cause her to lose her job with the NAACP and her job as a teacher of African Studies at a college. So what are her parents trying to accomplish?
mythology
(9,527 posts)If she's been lying all this time, she's pretty clearly got some issues.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)let the world know the truth about what a compulsive liar she is?
Maybe get her some psychological help?
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)means that she is a compulsive liar who needs psychological help?
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)her lie about her brother being her son, her lie about receiving hate mail in the NAACP mail box, her lie about being whipped like a slave by her father, etc.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)(This question is for those who think that it's OK to decide what other people are permitted to describe themselves as).
Major Nikon
(36,828 posts)Which is what he is. He dislikes people referring to him as African-American because he is mostly not African-American. I don't find that unacceptable.
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)A white person identifies as black and works to improve the lives of African-Americans.
A man identifies as a woman and becomes one (or vice versa).
What's wrong with either of these things? Uh, nothing.
Can't people be allowed to be who they really want to be?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)but she lied about her father being black, she lied about her adopted brother being her son, she lied about receiving hate mail in an NAACP mail box, she lied about being whipped like a slave by her real father.
That speaks to her character.