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It's campaign season, so Democratic primary presidential candidates are holding events and making speeches and statements. Most of us won't be in attendance at those, and links to live feeds of such events are often not posted or get missed. When someone watches such a live feed and reports on what the candidates say, without comment, that's just news.
It's not support of the candidate in any way. I think that most DUers want to hear what all of the candidates say. I know that I do, and I appreciate it when DUers who were at an event or who watched a live feed summarize or quote something said at that event. I don't care which candidate it is. I want to hear what they're all saying.
Yesterday, I posted a paraphrase of something Hillary Clinton said about TPP at an event in Iowa. It was one paragraph, repeating what she said, as accurately as I could manage. It was a paraphrase, written during the speech, and reflected her words correctly. Here's the thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026834616
Several people entered that thread and appeared to think that I was supporting Clinton by posting her words. Not so. It was simply information about her statements about TPP. I didn't comment on what she said, in support or in opposition. I merely reported her comments. Can we please not attack those who took the time to listen to some speech and report on what was said? That would be great. I want information on DU. I want to help people get information. Simply posting what a candidate said is neither support or opposition.
I am planning to caucus for Bernie Sanders at our precinct caucuses in Minnesota on March 1. That's who I support in the primary season. As a Democrat, I will be actively supporting the official nominee after the convention. Just because I report on something another candidate says does not mean that I have changed my mind. I'm just reporting on what I heard. If I change my mind, I will say so directly.
Thanks!
Autumn
(45,120 posts)support or opposition. If a person recommends OPs about about candidate A over candidate B then I tend to think that poster supports Candidate A, even if they say they support candidate B. I started looking at Recs when I was on MIRT, it was a useful tool. If a person mostly posts information to inform DU members about candidate A over candidate B then I tend to think the poster favors candidate A. You can look at my profile and see by what I recommend just who I support. I support Bernie so I post about him and I recommend OPs about him. Now that's just my 2 cents.
longship
(40,416 posts)And O'Malley and Chaffey threads.
But only if they are positive.
Tearing down another Dem candidate does absolutely nothing to promote ones choice. It only tears down all Democratic candidates.
And reporting what a candidate says without comment should not imply support for that comment, as MM says here.
At this point, several months before the campaigns mean anything, I support all 2016 Dem candidates.
Thanks, MM.
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Autumn
(45,120 posts)have already chosen whom you will support.
longship
(40,416 posts)My point is that tearing down one Democratic candidate does nothing to promote ones other choice.
Too damned much of that going on here, from all sides, especially so many months before the first time any of us has to put our nickel down. It makes this place suck. And having already chosen a candidate is no excuse whatsoever for bad behavior. That is why I will not express a preference this year on this board, but will support all Dems running for 2016.
That is what I meant to say.
My regards.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)You are right on that. As a rule I tend to stay of Hillary threads because I don't want to tear her down but I certainly do comment on her campaign. I was a Hillary supporter to the very end in 2008 but I won't promote her this time.
longship
(40,416 posts)Too many DUers are not, especially this early in the campaign. And the personal attacks by too many here make things worse.
I am disgusted by some here, but it is people like MM, and you, who keep me coming back.
Thank you for your thoughtful response.
MineralMan
(146,359 posts)a thread so I can find it later, and I'm pretty erratic otherwise. I never use recommendations as a means of judging what an individual DUer is about. I read that DUers posts, instead. Even then, I'm often surprised. I was also on MIRT. We were tasked to deal with new DUers and their early posts, and that only. I don't remember reviewing recommendations of established DUers as something we were supposed to be doing, since established DUers were not in MIRT's area of responsibility.
Of course, you will do as you please. We're all free to do that. If you want to know who I support, you'll find several statements in my posts about that, including this OP.
cali
(114,904 posts)MineralMan
(146,359 posts)Recommendations are a poor substitute. For example, you have said that you expect to and will vote for Hillary Clinton in November of 2016. You have said that you believe she will be the nominee, despite Bernie Sanders' heroic run for the nomination. In that, you and I are alike. You have said that you support Bernie Sanders. Again, we are alike in that, as well. I have also said that, and declared that I will caucus for him in Minnesota on March 1 and at the district convention thereafter. I have said those things multiple times on DU. And yet, you continue to call me a Hillary supporter and ignore my direct statements of support for Sanders.
That's your privilege, of course. You repeated that in the thread I linked to, as well, even though I did not comment either way on my paraphrase of Clinton's words about TPP. You're still wrong. I have extended an invitation to you to come and observe our precinct caucuses on March 1. If you do, you'll see that I will do exactly as I said I will do. Now, I don't expect you to attend. It's a very long trip. But anyone who does come as a guest will see the same thing.
Read what I say, rather than reading something into something I did not say, if you don't mind. I'll do the same for you, in return.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)I've posted more Bernie op's than Clinton op's even though I'm leaning Clinton I will gladly support whoever the Dem nominee is.
MineralMan
(146,359 posts)it's impossible for anyone to keep up with every appearance by a candidate. Someone posted a link to a live feed of Clinton's speech, so I watched it. I've also watched live feeds of Bernie Sanders' appearances when I've been aware of them. Yet, I only see some of their meetings and events, so I depend on reports from other DUers who see them for information.
Information is just that. On its own, it doesn't constitute support or opposition. People often make comments that do support or oppose candidates in their reports of events. I listened to Hillary Clinton's campaign launch speech and commented that I thought it was a very good campaign speech. That isn't support for her candidacy. It's just a comment on the quality of her speech.
I read posts in both the Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton groups, but don't post in either group as a rule. Most people in those groups are supporters of those candidates, but not all supporters post in those groups.
We try to hard to second-guess other DUers sometimes. I think we should try not to do that.
Fix The Stupid
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Du is like his personal blog. Lecture after lecture... Grating.
Blue_Adept
(6,402 posts)MineralMan
(146,359 posts)I post thread starters here about once a day. They are about things I observe or think. Lots of people do that here. Many post far more often than I do. This is a discussion forum. People come here to discuss politics and other issues. Opinions are posted here constantly. You apparently don't care for mine. You needn't read them, if you choose. It's up to you.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)JM
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)cliques. Half the OPs I see here fall into the "oh my god,who the fuck cares!!" category.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)No doubt, we all need to creatively rationalize our actions at one time or another.