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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhile Donald Trump talked (and talked), Hillary Clinton got some very bad news
Yes, national polls show HRC as the prohibitive favorite as has been gleefully noted by HRC supporters. But polls in early voting states are much more significant at this point, and this is the second poll in so many days that shows Bernie Sanders making big gains and closing in on HRC in NH. I've been saying for ages that HRC's support is a mile wide and... well, not so deep.
(Yeah, yeah. NH is next door to VT and like Vermont has few minorities. Just a bunch of white dems and independents who at best, don't care about civil rights and minorities or worse, are racists.)
Shortly before Donald Trump began his extended, extemporaneous delineation of why Donald Trump is great and is running for president, NH1.com dropped a bombshell: The race for the Democratic nomination in New Hampshire is closer than anyone might have thought.
A poll from Suffolk University Political Research Center still has Hillary Clinton in the lead -- but only by 10 points over Bernie Sanders. When we looked at this last week, Sanders was still upwards of 30 points back.
For NH1, Suffolk's David Paleologos outlined how Clinton and Sanders compared among several demographic groups.
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The most alarming detail for Clinton likely isn't the split support by ideology. It's the split by gender.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/06/16/while-donald-trump-talked-and-talked-hillary-clinton-got-some-very-bad-news/
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts).
cali
(114,904 posts)and this is actually shocking. I assure you Robby Mook is not brushing this off.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)This media is a joke.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)She leads in 49 states (Im guessing not VT) but obviously the media is out to get her. And btw, I think framing it this way isn't good for Bernie as well. It can never just be about Bernie. The headline should've been 'Good news for Bernie' or something.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)"About half of Warren's support from liberals went to Clinton, a little more to Sanders. But about half of Warren's support among men went to Sanders -- and the other half to Biden."
calimary
(81,612 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)She has an army of campaign staffers there. Her resources on every possible level swamp his. She's been there frequently. This poll is after her big speech. I think this is every bit as much about being bad news for the Clinton campaign as it is about being good news for the Sanders campaign.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)It is intereting to me that Bernie has gathered such support. But if he can't win New Hampshire, he can't win at all, IMO. But he is still about 10 points behind.... We'll have to see if he has a support ceiling.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Despite the proximity to Vermont, NH trends far more conservative (which I know is not news to you). I still think he has a great chance there, but I expect that to remain tight.
I think Iowa is where Bernie will make great hay. His no nonsense authenticity will shine with that electorate.
Action_Patrol
(845 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)by 10 pts?
I want to get excited but not by a week old poll.
I also wish to hell this board could be supportive of both candidates, and we wouldnt have to wade thru negative comments to get to the facts depending on which candidate and poster is involved.
Gets annoying, it is almost as if some folks here dont realize the VAST and TREMENDOUS difference between ANY of our candidates and ALL of theirs.
cali
(114,904 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)a repetition suggests otherwise.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)The real question is do a majority of NH independents vote in the gop or Democratic primary.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)The last three presidents have lost the New Hampshire primary. The last six presidents have won the South Carolina primary.
Stardust
(3,894 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)Off the top of my head
IA
NH
NV
SC
It's seems like an artifact but the SC primary seems to have awesome predictive value when it comes to predicting winners.
Stardust
(3,894 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)I had SC and NV inverted.
Renew Deal
(81,901 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)1. PPP (D)*
1. Daily Kos/SEIU/PPP*
3. YouGov*
4. Ipsos/Reuters*
5. Purple Strategies
6. NBC/WSJ
6. CBS/NYT
6. YouGov/Economist
9. UPI/CVOTER
10. IBD/TIPP
11. Angus-Reid*
12. ABC/WP*
13. Pew Research*
13. Hartford Courant/UConn*
15. CNN/ORC
15. Monmouth/SurveyUSA
15. Politico/GWU/Battleground
15. FOX News
15. Washington Times/JZ Analytics
15. Newsmax/JZ Analytics
15. American Research Group
15. Gravis Marketing
23. Democracy Corps (D)*
24. Rasmussen
24. Gallup
26. NPR
27. National Journal*
28. AP/GfK
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)Might as well address this here:
Given the fact that 60% of Democratic primary voters are women and the general electorate will be 53% -55% women that's not a bad thing. It's obviously a good thing.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)"About half of Warren's support from liberals went to Clinton, a little more to Sanders. But about half of Warren's support among men went to Sanders -- and the other half to Biden."
Per this poll, Bernie and Biden split Warren's male supporters. As a result, Bernie got more than half of Warren's supporters.
calimary
(81,612 posts)this upcoming round - as they were last time. They pulled her campaign up out of the grave in 2008 after she lost Iowa. That was the primary in which she got choked up while talking to a group of women and it got a ridiculously large amount of coverage.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)HRC is carrying Democratic POC primary voters by 72% -5%...No opponent can overcome those numbers in the primaries.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)with an overwhelmingly white population. It's no surprise he would do well in New Hampshire.
Bernie seems to be doing well among liberal whites, but he's getting his clock cleaned when it comes to minority voters.
If he wants to win the nomination, he will have to do a better job of reaching minority voters.
cali
(114,904 posts)And he needs to highlight his record, which is better on those issues, in many aspects, than HRC's.
But HRC needs to convincingly win both NH and Iowa. And again, I think this demonstrates that her support could be weaker than most thought.
xynthee
(477 posts)bobGandolf
(871 posts)reading an article about very good poll results for Bernie. It talks about his 20 point jump from the previous two weeks. I get down to the last sentence, tying the article together. I know the press wants to see Clinton bush again even though most voters do not, but can you lay off the declarations.
"Clinton will still win the nomination, almost certainly. After winning that nomination, her team better hope support from those voters gets stronger."
NewSystemNeeded
(111 posts)"Good for him, I like Bernie."
Trying to explain these polls any other way than his message is resonating with voters is akin to this:
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)and want to make sure the market launch goes according to plan.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)That assumption is racist, no?
We are not a monolith and HRC is not a shoe-in.
jalan48
(13,918 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)has too much baggage and can't be trusted.