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cali

(114,904 posts)
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 02:35 PM Jun 2015

While Donald Trump talked (and talked), Hillary Clinton got some very bad news

Yes, national polls show HRC as the prohibitive favorite as has been gleefully noted by HRC supporters. But polls in early voting states are much more significant at this point, and this is the second poll in so many days that shows Bernie Sanders making big gains and closing in on HRC in NH. I've been saying for ages that HRC's support is a mile wide and... well, not so deep.

(Yeah, yeah. NH is next door to VT and like Vermont has few minorities. Just a bunch of white dems and independents who at best, don't care about civil rights and minorities or worse, are racists.)


Shortly before Donald Trump began his extended, extemporaneous delineation of why Donald Trump is great and is running for president, NH1.com dropped a bombshell: The race for the Democratic nomination in New Hampshire is closer than anyone might have thought.

A poll from Suffolk University Political Research Center still has Hillary Clinton in the lead -- but only by 10 points over Bernie Sanders. When we looked at this last week, Sanders was still upwards of 30 points back.

For NH1, Suffolk's David Paleologos outlined how Clinton and Sanders compared among several demographic groups.

<snip>

The most alarming detail for Clinton likely isn't the split support by ideology. It's the split by gender.

<snip>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/06/16/while-donald-trump-talked-and-talked-hillary-clinton-got-some-very-bad-news/




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While Donald Trump talked (and talked), Hillary Clinton got some very bad news (Original Post) cali Jun 2015 OP
Bookmarked for 2016. nt onehandle Jun 2015 #1
This is a national primary, what about the other 49 states? It's okay Bernie is doing well in NH Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #2
As everyone knows, primaries are vital to winning the nomination cali Jun 2015 #7
Is he ahead in the NH polls? Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #14
Did Hillary get bad news or did Bernie get good news? JaneyVee Jun 2015 #3
Both? peacebird Jun 2015 #6
Amazing framing though. JaneyVee Jun 2015 #12
the framing was due to the details magical thyme Jun 2015 #22
Seems like EVERYBODY is out to get her. calimary Jun 2015 #32
Yes. This is bad news for her. cali Jun 2015 #10
But last weeks poll had him -10 as well, no? JaneyVee Jun 2015 #13
We shall see. Adrahil Jun 2015 #37
I think NH will still be tough for Bernie LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #4
Ugh FFS. Action_Patrol Jun 2015 #5
IS this the same poll someone linked to here the other day showing Hillary leading Bernie randys1 Jun 2015 #8
No. it's a brand new out today poll cali Jun 2015 #11
great! some media suspected last week's was an outlier. magical thyme Jun 2015 #24
Not suprised it got closer. Sanders is likable. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #9
The last three presidents have lost the New Hampshire primary. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #15
When is the SC primary? (I know, Google is my friend). Thanks in advance! Stardust Jun 2015 #21
It's early DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #23
Thank you. Stardust Jun 2015 #25
I will check because I don't want to mislead people. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #29
Suffolk is notoriously inaccurate. Renew Deal Jun 2015 #16
Good point, here's the rankings: JaneyVee Jun 2015 #18
Voila DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #19
not if Bernie gets more than half of Warren's vote magical thyme Jun 2015 #28
Hard to say. I'm wondering if NH voters will be there for her calimary Jun 2015 #34
NH is an affluent homogeneous state . It should be Senator Sanders' wheelhouse. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #35
Interesting. Like Vermont, New Hampshire is a homogeneous state Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #17
Your're right that he needs to put more emphasis on issues of concern to PoC cali Jun 2015 #20
Excellent!!!!! nt xynthee Jun 2015 #26
Just pisses me off.... bobGandolf Jun 2015 #27
Again, why can't people just say "Oh, he's doing better than I thought he would." NewSystemNeeded Jun 2015 #30
The owners have invested heavily in the competing product Maedhros Jun 2015 #31
Keep talking, Bernie. This is a wonderful beginning. K&R Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #33
Why are you assuming that we Negroes only support HRC? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2015 #36
I'm for Bernie but isn't New Hampshire next to his state of Vermont? jalan48 Jun 2015 #38
My friends think she 840high Jun 2015 #39
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
7. As everyone knows, primaries are vital to winning the nomination
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 02:42 PM
Jun 2015

and this is actually shocking. I assure you Robby Mook is not brushing this off.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
12. Amazing framing though.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 02:56 PM
Jun 2015

She leads in 49 states (Im guessing not VT) but obviously the media is out to get her. And btw, I think framing it this way isn't good for Bernie as well. It can never just be about Bernie. The headline should've been 'Good news for Bernie' or something.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
22. the framing was due to the details
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 03:15 PM
Jun 2015

"About half of Warren's support from liberals went to Clinton, a little more to Sanders. But about half of Warren's support among men went to Sanders -- and the other half to Biden."

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
10. Yes. This is bad news for her.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 02:50 PM
Jun 2015

She has an army of campaign staffers there. Her resources on every possible level swamp his. She's been there frequently. This poll is after her big speech. I think this is every bit as much about being bad news for the Clinton campaign as it is about being good news for the Sanders campaign.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
37. We shall see.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:44 PM
Jun 2015

It is intereting to me that Bernie has gathered such support. But if he can't win New Hampshire, he can't win at all, IMO. But he is still about 10 points behind.... We'll have to see if he has a support ceiling.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
4. I think NH will still be tough for Bernie
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 02:40 PM
Jun 2015

Despite the proximity to Vermont, NH trends far more conservative (which I know is not news to you). I still think he has a great chance there, but I expect that to remain tight.

I think Iowa is where Bernie will make great hay. His no nonsense authenticity will shine with that electorate.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
8. IS this the same poll someone linked to here the other day showing Hillary leading Bernie
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 02:48 PM
Jun 2015

by 10 pts?

I want to get excited but not by a week old poll.

I also wish to hell this board could be supportive of both candidates, and we wouldnt have to wade thru negative comments to get to the facts depending on which candidate and poster is involved.

Gets annoying, it is almost as if some folks here dont realize the VAST and TREMENDOUS difference between ANY of our candidates and ALL of theirs.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
9. Not suprised it got closer. Sanders is likable.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 02:48 PM
Jun 2015

The real question is do a majority of NH independents vote in the gop or Democratic primary.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
15. The last three presidents have lost the New Hampshire primary.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 02:59 PM
Jun 2015

The last three presidents have lost the New Hampshire primary. The last six presidents have won the South Carolina primary.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
23. It's early
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 03:17 PM
Jun 2015

Off the top of my head


IA
NH
NV
SC


It's seems like an artifact but the SC primary seems to have awesome predictive value when it comes to predicting winners.


 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
18. Good point, here's the rankings:
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 03:05 PM
Jun 2015

1. PPP (D)*

1. Daily Kos/SEIU/PPP*

3. YouGov*

4. Ipsos/Reuters*

5. Purple Strategies

6. NBC/WSJ

6. CBS/NYT

6. YouGov/Economist

9. UPI/CVOTER

10. IBD/TIPP

11. Angus-Reid*

12. ABC/WP*

13. Pew Research*

13. Hartford Courant/UConn*

15. CNN/ORC

15. Monmouth/SurveyUSA

15. Politico/GWU/Battleground

15. FOX News

15. Washington Times/JZ Analytics

15. Newsmax/JZ Analytics

15. American Research Group

15. Gravis Marketing

23. Democracy Corps (D)*

24. Rasmussen

24. Gallup

26. NPR

27. National Journal*

28. AP/GfK

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
19. Voila
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 03:07 PM
Jun 2015
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/10/suffolk-poll-paleologos.html


Might as well address this here:


The most alarming detail for Clinton likely isn't the split support by ideology. It's the split by gender.



Given the fact that 60% of Democratic primary voters are women and the general electorate will be 53% -55% women that's not a bad thing. It's obviously a good thing.
 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
28. not if Bernie gets more than half of Warren's vote
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 03:23 PM
Jun 2015

"About half of Warren's support from liberals went to Clinton, a little more to Sanders. But about half of Warren's support among men went to Sanders -- and the other half to Biden."

Per this poll, Bernie and Biden split Warren's male supporters. As a result, Bernie got more than half of Warren's supporters.

calimary

(81,612 posts)
34. Hard to say. I'm wondering if NH voters will be there for her
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:01 PM
Jun 2015

this upcoming round - as they were last time. They pulled her campaign up out of the grave in 2008 after she lost Iowa. That was the primary in which she got choked up while talking to a group of women and it got a ridiculously large amount of coverage.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
35. NH is an affluent homogeneous state . It should be Senator Sanders' wheelhouse.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:05 PM
Jun 2015

HRC is carrying Democratic POC primary voters by 72% -5%...No opponent can overcome those numbers in the primaries.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
17. Interesting. Like Vermont, New Hampshire is a homogeneous state
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 03:03 PM
Jun 2015

with an overwhelmingly white population. It's no surprise he would do well in New Hampshire.

Bernie seems to be doing well among liberal whites, but he's getting his clock cleaned when it comes to minority voters.

If he wants to win the nomination, he will have to do a better job of reaching minority voters.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
20. Your're right that he needs to put more emphasis on issues of concern to PoC
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 03:10 PM
Jun 2015

And he needs to highlight his record, which is better on those issues, in many aspects, than HRC's.

But HRC needs to convincingly win both NH and Iowa. And again, I think this demonstrates that her support could be weaker than most thought.

bobGandolf

(871 posts)
27. Just pisses me off....
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 03:22 PM
Jun 2015

reading an article about very good poll results for Bernie. It talks about his 20 point jump from the previous two weeks. I get down to the last sentence, tying the article together. I know the press wants to see Clinton bush again even though most voters do not, but can you lay off the declarations.

"Clinton will still win the nomination, almost certainly. After winning that nomination, her team better hope support from those voters gets stronger."

 

NewSystemNeeded

(111 posts)
30. Again, why can't people just say "Oh, he's doing better than I thought he would."
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 03:26 PM
Jun 2015

"Good for him, I like Bernie."

Trying to explain these polls any other way than his message is resonating with voters is akin to this:

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
31. The owners have invested heavily in the competing product
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 03:37 PM
Jun 2015

and want to make sure the market launch goes according to plan.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
36. Why are you assuming that we Negroes only support HRC?
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:41 PM
Jun 2015

That assumption is racist, no?

We are not a monolith and HRC is not a shoe-in.

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