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On June 4th Sanders asked Congress to raise taxes in order to spend billions so that a million paying jobs are created for the youth of this country.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/bernie-sanders-asks-congress-to-spend-55-billion-on-1-million-jobs-for-youths/2015/06/04/0354e9dc-0ae6-11e5-9e39-0db921c47b93_story.html
Today Clinton proposed a job apprenticeship program at a for profit technical college that will reward businesses with a tax credit for every apprentice that they hire.
http://time.com/3923808/hillary-clinton-apprenticeship/
These two proposals illustrate the very real differences in populism and neo-liberalism. The populist position asks those businesses that have an excess of wealth to pay more in taxes so that actual paying jobs can be provided. This not only decreases youth unemployment, it directly helps minority youth who suffer even higher rates of unemployment, and the jobs poor money back into both the local and national economy.
The neo-liberal position gives tax credits to those businesses that already have an excess of wealth to provide apprenticeships that may or may not become jobs. This proposal has, naturally, bipartisan support and is really no different than the Scott & Booker plan from 2014. The erroneous claim, spouted yet again, that businesses are not hiring because there are not qualified positions is fallacious. Apprenticeships can last years and typically pay almost 50% less than a journey worker position in the trade or field makes. Even if one guarantees an apprenticeship, one can not guarantee a full-time fully paying job thereafter.
Discuss.
djean111
(14,255 posts)And does nothing to address the problem of hideous debt that college and technical school attendees must take on.
And then, of course, a lower-paying apprenticeship makes it even more difficult to pay down the debt, and gives the for-profit school even more taxpayer money, or, I guess, enables them to pay even less taxes, which shifts the burden of supporting things like endless war to citizens.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)CrispyQ
(36,567 posts)I made a face & she said, "You should be happy!" I asked, "Why would I be happy with a dem candidate who appeals to republicans?"
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Raising taxes on the rich has zero chance of passing this house/senate, so I don't see the first choice ever materializing, while the second choice could probably be implemented next week and start serving its purpose immediately.
brush
(53,978 posts)I wouldn't call that a good idea.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Stop using my tax dollars to help the rich in the guise of helping those who need help.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)them, the corporations!
JustAnotherGen
(32,043 posts)In Sanders idea - we need to first train those both URBAN and rural men for those jobs. His college proposal needs to be expanded for community college trade schools and the BOCES programs (NY state - learn a trade while in high school) across America.
Learning trades (my husband has a successful trade/art oriented business) - another way - is apprenticeship. And today - small business owners in trades - could use some help with something they are already doing. We gave all that money to the banks with zero return -
Why not help the small metal shop, hvac shop, electrical shop - bring on one more apprentice.
Then when they are ready - PROTECT those small businesses that have employees that are ON THE BOOKS, and who went through the Federal Trade Apprentice program in infrastructure development.
We can send 100 kids to college for four years at no cost - but that doesn't mean they no the male/female of electric, the correct way to hammer copper against an anvil, how to install solar shingles, how to well iron, etc. etc.
Between these two and O'Malley we - our party - need to come to the table with a WHOLE education program for those in their 20's and younger.
An electrician is just as valuable as a CPA. And a CPA is just as value as a Rocket Scientist. They just each have a different function in the future. We need all three - and our platform needs to address all three jobs - and give pathways for people to have a good life - not eke out a living.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)and the like. That happened in my community, and it made no sense at all..who benefited from
such a decision?
JustAnotherGen
(32,043 posts)But I know who DIDN'T.
All of us.
Sanders, Clinton, O'Malley - day one they get through an education initiative. We are going to have 17/18 year olds that had a craptastic education (be it rural or urban) who even with intense tutoring won't be able to be successful at University in 4 years.
We also will have 17/18 year olds that are jazzed up about soldering, or running large equipment, or solar and wind energy.
They could possibly be ready to build America in a year! If we give them a hand up and show them the way.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)so much of policy about business overlooks small business. They USE the words "small, family business" but we get crunched with same regulations, taxes and burdens large corporations do but get none of the perqs and have shallow pockets w/ no financial recourse.
As to your point about training schools/apprenticeships:
I think you've struck on something that could potentially help revitalize Labor and Unions.
Today's unions are out of date. They don't have resources to fight money from Big Business and their tactics just suck.
I would like to see a movement into a more regulated system where to legally work in X trade you HAVE to do an apprenticeship which then leads into membership in a Guild. That would ensure quality of work and reliability. It could help with insurance.
JustAnotherGen
(32,043 posts)On all of it!
My husband showers at night - not in the morning.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Whenever I hear a corporate mind waxing eloquent about "small business", one has to keep in mind what they consider small.
You know, Walgreens, Starbucks, Old Navy. Small biz.
This is just yet another small infusion of taxpayer cash into the coffers of Wall St disguised as assistance for us caught out in the maelstrom of avarice and the denial of basic democracy we suffer under.
A little bump to appease their masters for a few days, to assure the next luncheon doesn't contain any uncomfortable moments while enjoying the Chateau Lafite we so graciously paid for.
Thank you for helping your local community. I couldn't agree with you more.
We need a move back to realistic, Adam Smith inspired, capitalism. No monopolies, locally owned small businesses staffed by people who care about their hometown. I love the apprentice system, one designed to pay homage and respect to our elders who are well versed and talented beyond description in their chosen fields. Who better to show the ropes?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)American Airlines Group is the holding company that owns American Airlines.
They have very few employees. They are a small business. They just "happen" to own a business that employs tens of thousands.
That's why programs to benefit "small businesses" are usually failures for what we colloquially consider a small business. Because American Airlines Group qualifies too.
You could add a mountain of paperwork to certify you are what most people think of as a small business, but AAG can hire an army of lawyers to exploit that, while creating a very large burden for real small businesses.
Yes, with "right to work" laws being passed all over the country, a little incrementalism will surely repeal all of those laws and create such a monopoly.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)trickle on...
cali
(114,904 posts)that Hillary supporters will claim that this will largely give tax credits to (genuinely) small businesses.
In any case, this is anything but a solution and it's so typically Hillary.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Bernie Sanders- the Ice Cream For Breakfast And No Homework Ever Candidate.
cali
(114,904 posts)And Bernie makes clear that his proposals will only succeed with a sea change and the strong pressure of the American people. Not to mention when she isn't making corporation pleasing "solutions", she does her share of unrealistic proposing- without the aforementioned caveat that Bernie makes. And says ridiculous shit like "We need to topple the 1%".
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)How would Bernie raise taxes to get those billions?
The extremely wealthy have accountants, tax lawyers and off-shore accounts that will side step most tax increases.
And there is no way Congress as currently configured would pass a tax increase.
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)did? These guys set precedent for undoing useful legislation/treaties. Maybe it could work with undoing harmful legislation/treaties.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)of the real choice we have in this upcoming primary and general election....someone to fight for us by providing jobs and dignity to people or "business as usual" for corporations and bankers and their political puppets?.......
PatrickforO
(14,604 posts)Lots of great things are being done locally - micro-lending, employee owned cooperatives, B Corporations, slow money, slow food. Some of my friends even believe the national government will fall of its own weight and quality of life issues will more completely devolve to the local and state levels.
But this does nothing for the cancer of neoliberal capitalism that now rules the world.
I wonder if the American people are smart enough and courageous enough to show their disgust with the current system at the polls. It may be they will be, because many who stay home on election day do so because they do not see any appreciable difference between candidates. If Bernie makes it through the primary and is our nominee, he will be the first populist the Dems have run for president in nearly 60 years, and I believe a populist message will strike a real chord with the American people, especially if it has real proposed solutions behind it and is not merely rhetoric.
Go Bernie!!!!
maindawg
(1,151 posts)When I was young only doctors had interns. Then some billionaire figured out this was a way to get young people to work for free. Radio stations started having interns and then corporations recruited college kids to work for free offering 'experience'. That was the con. They started demanding experience from prospective employees. So the word got out, you have to have experience how do you get it ? Well they invented a program and you get to earn experience by working for free. Now Hillary the corporate candidate is naturally endorsing this corporate give away as a means of showing us how much she is for the working people, the ones who are willing to work for free. How nice.
Hillary is going to tow the third way line and she is going to be a hard sell. She is not 'likeable'
She isnt warm, she isnt fun at all. She is very smart. But shes not a politician. She is not a leader.
Bernie is all of those things and hes a fighter too.
People line up to get internships.
maindawg
(1,151 posts)They line up to survive. Would they rather work in the field they spent 80,000 dollars for school on or would they rather go back to whatever low paying job they already had? There are no opportunities. Instead of internships for no money we used to have apprenticeships that paid a fair wage and better as your skills improved. We used to have manufacturing and we used to have a goddamned building industry.
We used to have a diverse economy , we no longer do . Its either service industry or intern for the rich people.
JustAnotherGen
(32,043 posts)We pay our interns. They aren't going to make $50 an hour (I think it's about $12 in Finance this year) - but they shouldn't. It's not a bad summer job for a 19/20 year old.
And most of our interns - end up working here. One I know has been here for 15 years - and we then paid for her Masters.
To me - interns should be paid. Mass Comm is my first major - and I wasn't paid for doing promo/adv/pr for a radio station. So I still had to work two part time jobs that summer.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)as an intern....same thing...
bvar22
(39,909 posts)LOL at the BS that flies during Campaign Season.