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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBasically 2 type of responses today to this tragedy..
Those who want to just blame hatred..w/o mentioning gun procurement issues in this Country
And people like myself who want to make sure that the conversation is brought to a new level..
Lunacy and Hatred are sure prevalent in this country..But so is the ability for the ones who hate and destroy to obtain the means to do so.
Romeo.lima333
(1,127 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)we seen that last night. No matter how anyone wants to or tries to twist this, automatic guns are weapons of mass destruction. 9 dead, need I go further?
And note that he reloaded several times.
These are the kinds of guns that aren't usually covered in "assault weapon" bans, so ... This wasn't an assault weapon?
Still, it was semi-automatic (do they even make fully automatic handguns? ... Ah, Google tells me that the Glock 18 is fully automatic, but such kinds of pistols are "extremely rare" .
Sorry, definitions matter if we are interested in communication of thoughts, propositions, and logic and not just emotions or attitudes.
sorry I wasn't clearer in my statement. mybad
flamin lib
(14,559 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)While this atrocity should bolster calls for a combination of universal background checks and increased access to mental health records* for the NICS database, it's quite possible to do that and still recognize that insane, violent racism was the primary cause.
* I haven't seen anything stating that the shooter had prior mental healthcare involvement and would have been denied the transfer of his .45, but greater access to records and a broader range of disqualifying diagnoses, etc., would make universal checks much more effective in preventing mass shooters.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)healthcare system.. The Extremists of the NRA want nothing to do with term healthcare..
This is America Baby.. We dont need intrusion.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Because fear of black people sells a lot of guns. And both racism and guns are a scourge on this country.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)health issues there would be no record to check.
Family and friends are the ones who have information about the person's condition.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Single largest attack on LGBT people was an arson in a bar. Over 30 people killed. Straight people set fire to gay places all the time, African American churches and entire towns have been burned. The weapon most associated with racist violence in the US is the rope. We've all heard about Rosewood.
So yes, guns very bad, too easy too many. But if they all vanished at sundown, the hate would still be taking lives. The problems is a human problem.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)and compare the present to yesteryear (up to the 1980s) Gun crimes against minorities far outweigh
ropes and fires..Sad situation..
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)to the huge problem of racism being legitimized in this society.
I wouldn't want to deny Any minority the right to comparable self-defense. It is everyone's choice under the Constitution, and not for anyone to deny.