I did not "say" it, I "asked" it.

http://www.ecenglish.com/learnenglish/lessons/how-use-say-tell-and-ask

Congrats.

You don't see posts from Jackpine Radical, xchrom, etc, and then a friend or relative posts that they are no longer with us.

for being a kind person and reminding that our time is fleeting.

xchrom, Jackpine and JeffR stand as testament to how quickly life can end.

I like to cower behind grammar when called on the implication of my vulgarity too. For us, it's never about what we actually mean-- only how well we can defend and rationalize it as something else.

I believe the term is "chickenshit."

I personally knew Prosense and it was simply that she is extremely smart and because she organized the information that she had far better than I ever did -- meaning that as issues came up, she was able to find information she had used in the past to put together a complex, informative answer.

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It seemed that she usually wasn't really responding to the specific issue raised, and had problems with details when drilling down into topics. But, she was persistent and systematic. I often got the sense when dialoging with her -- which I did occasionally -- that putting out a mass of talking points was more important to her than getting closer to the truth.

I never got a clue as to her race or ethnicity.

You are a far better advocate for your champion, and I always learn something from you. I hope you don't ever leave us.

to stay, I stay. Maybe because it is the one environment, where I feel free to continue arguments until I have no more points that can be made. In real life, many times I stop far earlier for "peace in the community". On the other hand, I suspect that there might be less reason to advocate for anyone on line, after Obama leaves office. Now, I think it is important to counter the lies of the neocons/Netanyahu on Obama's Iran and Israeli policies. I think few on the left have considered how far from earlier US position, Obama/Kerry have been willing to go on Iran. Especially for Obama, this is an incredibly brave thing to do. However, as I said, I am addicted to this place.

I think that there was a trade off between how quickly and completely you could respond and whether the answer was tailored to address the specific point. I often learned a look from her links, but I had more time to write my own posts - as I was and am retired.

I know from talking to her that she is an intelligent, engaging person, who is intellectually curious and has thought about the issues very thoroughly. On line she was far more information oriented than in person, though we were all a pretty wonky group. I also think that she felt far more constrained about putting out any personal information about herself because she did not want anything to be tied to her real life identity. On this, she was not alone. When a group of us from the JK group met, several people spoke of this. It is an interesting dilemma, because the more you are willing to share of yourself, the more real you are -- but for people with jobs or in communities where their comments on somethings could affect them or their families, it is not a good idea to share too much.

shift, but not in the way we no doubt both hope for.

I dread that the talks with Iran will turn out no better than than the "restaurant table" diplomacy JK had with Assad. It is clear to me that AIPAC and its venal minions in Congress will make a genuine settlement impossible. If the nuclear talks with Iran break off, that will give the hard-liners on both sides the cassus belli they have been trying to find for years, and no matter whether Hillary or a Republican is elected, we will be at war against Iran within a year of Inauguration Day.

thread give this recommendation? "+1000!" ???? http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6879281

I guess calling other DU members "imbecilic doesn't register on your "nasty" meter.

scolded the folks when there was an orchestrated campaign to "out" Prosense as a paid shill or that she was some Senator's daughter? Do you remember that foolishness? Why do I get the feeling that they were probably high fiving those attacks on Prosense?

But it's obvious that the "scolding" you got from someone in particular wasn't real. It's just another swipe at me from someone who I should be charging rent for all the time I spend in their head. God, I wish I had better and more interesting fans.

It's really mean to crap on a member of DU. I hope you think about a self delete.

This is just a nasty mean spirited post. boo.

well done...grasshopper.

one can be content with such smallness.

truth, you speak.

Anyone who sees it otherwise, is either an imperceptive nitwit, or simply runs along the same vein.

My son and I were talking about her the other day. I said I thought the 'Pro' bit meant 'professional'.

We do not know what happens to most Duers when they stop posting. We lost several lately, they died.

ProSense was always called a pro and a paid poster. She was slammed here daily and she took it and went on to post facts. Me, I felt you were making fun of her, correct me if I am wrong. I will apologize.

I miss her and her posts.

My son and I were talking about DU the other day and Pro Sense was noted as MIA. I mentioned I thought Pro stood for 'professional'.

As far as I'm concerned, there is nothing wrong with being a paid poster. It's a good idea I think. She got her message out very well and she stayed on message quoting facts. You're right, she didn't take the slams personally like most people would.

BTW I saw nothing to make fun of with Pro Sense.

I've been here since early 2001 and have seen a lot of good ones disappear. I'm sorry you miss her, but I have the feeling she's okay.

One of her posts after her husbands illness, was that she got her first job in four years and it was just enough for gas money.

The cruelty here boggles my mind. Have you read through the thread? It is ugly and that is what DU has become.

It makes me cry.

A damn good one.

A little group of people are trying to hijack DU for their little cliques benefits and do it by using what is more efficient. Uglyness and nastiness.

What I am surprised at is that many of us have been here more than a decade. To me, that is stranger than anyone gradually dropping out as life dictates. She was a very strong supporter of Secretary Kerry and was extremely happy when President Obama won the Presidency.

Advocacy for either of these men changed when Obama became President and Kerry first helped him as chair of SFRC and then as Secretary of State.

Don't bother saving it freshwest, trust me you will see it again here.

Her husband was very ill. She posted about it awhile ago.

She said Obamacare saved him.

She faded away after that. Not surprising with comments like yours.

can a two word question be regarded as cruel. Snarky? Maybe. Funny? To some. Cruel? nope.

That some find it amusing makes me ill.

Is it cruel. Yes it is. They accused her of being a paid troll, and no do not come back at me and say they did not! That is exactly what they meant.

Maybe she didn't want that. If so, I totally respect her wishes.

To have a sick spouse is a rather large burden and would certainly take much more of a priority than this place.

Many shitty things were said about her when she was here and obviously since she has left. Maybe someday she will come back.

If you are out there Prosense

She is also diligent and precise, which is why some have issues with her postings and assumed she was 'being paid'. No - she was Pro Sense as in Pro-Common Sense.

People see what they WANT to see sometimes.

Please send my best wishes.

Read the thread. Her husband was very ill. She posted Obamacare saved his life.

FYI, something I found out. In April she supported Bernie. Kudos, you guys just ate one of your own. Congrtu-effinglations!

Ya'll know how to win friends and influence supporters.

You are a sad group.

What would Bernie say.

Not enough to hate Obama, they gotta hate people who support Obama.

Democratic Underground died. This place is so far from reality. So much hate here. It hurts my soul.

Thanks geek tragedy.

you wag your finger elsewhere.

Ps....Why did you delete all your posts in this thread?

Bernie actively supported Jesse Jackson and the Rainbow Coalition in the 80's. You are race baiting the wrong candidate.

It is 2015!

Bernie has no history of changing with the political winds, he's one of the most consistent politicians I have ever seen. Give it up already, Bernie does care bout race, if you want to oppose him, use something he actually does or does not represent rather than a shameful misrepresentation.

Other that the Selma photo shoot.

Links.

Sorry stuff you are peddling.

You have nothing.

Bye.

= What in actual fuck?

Did you even bother to read it from the beginning? How this started?

ProSense, loved and respected by many. People concerned posted here. Well at least that is how it started. Read the thread! I explained where she had gone in the 4th or 5th reply. You ignored or never bothered reading it. You made this about you.

Then.

It was trolled and trashed.

Her husband was ill, may still be. No one cared, you all just piled on a disrespected a DU member of long standing.

Congratulations! Ya'll get humanitarian award of the year. You all trashed a DUer with a sick spouse.

Kudos.

Expand your ignore list. It really helps.

Stay classy.

I'm no fan of ProSense, but I don't ill-wish in her direction. It's uncalled for.

She is a completely wonderful, brilliant person. She was here for more than a decade, always posting things I learned from. Everyone here has - or should have - a personal life off DU -- and involvement here is likely to change over time. It could also be that DU at times becomes a rather nasty place to be -- no matter what you leanings are.

She posted a while ago, not sure when it was.

Her husband was very ill. She posted that Obamacare saved him. Then sadly she slipped away again.

I truly miss her, yet I think she had it with this place.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025767052

This is the only link I could find.

when these "where is so and so" threads come up.

It shows a lot more about them than the person they want to mock.

For all we know, her husband may have passed by now. Yet we get this kind of pile on. For what?

NOTHING.

out of it. Disgusting.

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She is a black woman after all.Two strikes against her.

The responses are so ugly.

What would Bernie say.

...some people do not consider politicians to be their spiritual guides and Center of the Universe, Holder of All that is Good and Right. Some people just consider such politicians as potential allies, not father figures.

If this was a thread about Bernie Sanders, or even a thread about Hillary Clinton, I would understand the exchange above, and even agree with it. But outside the context of a political campaign, these comments are just bizarre; their implications frankly creepy.

I think my statement was clear. Just because you're for a candidate in a political race, does not mean you're obliged to adopt their personality and like all the same books they like. Supporting a candidate isn't like having a high school crush-- or at least, Steve, it shouldn't be.

This thread has nothing to do with any political campaign, so injecting Sanders into it, and insisting that his supporters should be acting like him, like you're assuming that anyone's chosen candidate must naturally be their personal messiah, is just plain creepy and bizarre.

stupid reply.

I mean really.. why be ugly?

If you look at my post count and compare it to the number of years I have been here, you will discover I've slipped off a lot.