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William769

(55,151 posts)
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 07:36 PM Jun 2015

Hillary Clinton, Saul Alinsky correspondence revealed

NOTE: READ THE HILLARY CLINTON-SAUL ALINSKY LETTERS HERE http://www.scribd.com/doc/240077031/The-Hillary-Letters.

Previously unpublished correspondence between Hillary Clinton and the late left-wing organizer Saul Alinsky reveals new details about her relationship with the controversial Chicago activist and shed light on her early ideological development.

Clinton met with Alinsky several times in 1968 while writing a Wellesley college thesis about his theory of community organizing.

Clinton’s relationship with Alinsky, and her support for his philosophy, continued for several years after she entered Yale law school in 1969, two letters obtained by the Washington Free Beacon show.

The letters obtained by the Free Beacon are part of the archives for the Industrial Areas Foundation, a training center for community organizers founded by Alinsky, which are housed at the University of Texas at Austin.

The letters also suggest that Alinsky, who died in 1972, had a deeper influence on Clinton’s early political views than previously known.

http://freebeacon.com/politics/the-hillary-letters/

Now there's the truth folks.
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Hillary Clinton, Saul Alinsky correspondence revealed (Original Post) William769 Jun 2015 OP
Ah, the Free Bacon. HughBeaumont Jun 2015 #1
Free Beacon = Paulista nutjobs. KamaAina Jun 2015 #2
And the link to where the letters are at? William769 Jun 2015 #3
FREEBEACON: Is it a good or bad source? AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #4
I don't see a comment in that thread from me. WOuld you mind showing me the link please? William769 Jun 2015 #6
Uh huh. Y'all need to make up your minds. You can't have it both ways. AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #8
I am not "Y'all", I am me William769 William769 Jun 2015 #9
Hey William.. mahalo for being you! Cha Jun 2015 #20
Thanks Cha. William769 Jun 2015 #21
lol.. I gave my Mother a card like Cha Jun 2015 #23
Her senior thesis wasn't a hit job on Alinsky, smug or otherwise. Only the most paranoid pnwmom Jun 2015 #30
that's your opinion AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #32
And it was clearly shared by Alinsky, since he offered her a job afterwards. pnwmom Jun 2015 #34
After she wrote the thesis. AFTER. AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #36
Duh. AFTER he had a chance to see what she'd said about him. pnwmom Jun 2015 #37
Your zeal to smooth over Hillary's story seems to have tripped you up a bit. AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #38
Your opinion is NOT a fact. You've already acknowledged that. And Alinsky's own opinion -- pnwmom Jun 2015 #39
great, more shit for rw'ers to scream about. NightWatcher Jun 2015 #5
Do you thik I give a shot about rw'ers? William769 Jun 2015 #7
Tell people to go to Wikipedia... joeybee12 Jun 2015 #10
No argument from me. William769 Jun 2015 #15
You got guts my dear William. sheshe2 Jun 2015 #11
No guts, no glory. William769 Jun 2015 #13
True~ sheshe2 Jun 2015 #19
Interesting MFrohike Jun 2015 #12
And she used FDR postage stamps!!!11 Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #14
I love you my Dear Starry Messenger William769 Jun 2015 #16
You get me. :D Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #17
This is going to casue the conservatives to go nuts Gothmog Jun 2015 #18
they know a lot about him 6chars Jun 2015 #27
Now where have I heard that name before..? Ah, yes, the dreaded Saul Alinksy.. thanks for the Cha Jun 2015 #22
from Better Call Saul? 6chars Jun 2015 #28
Her thesis on Alinsky doesn't read like she was some fangirl Depaysement Jun 2015 #24
Was it anything like this? William769 Jun 2015 #25
Clinton’s Thesis on Leftist Icon Reveals Roots bigtree Jun 2015 #26
K & R Iliyah Jun 2015 #29
What is really "controversial" about Saul Alinsky? ThoughtCriminal Jun 2015 #31
The same word that terrifies some about Sanders today: pnwmom Jun 2015 #35
So *he's* the one who offed Vince FOSTER?!1 n/t UTUSN Jun 2015 #33

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
1. Ah, the Free Bacon.
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 07:39 PM
Jun 2015

Loaded to the hilt with your hour-beyond-wingnut co-workers who think "Teh jooooz" and "teh commees" are still going to take over the homeland.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
4. FREEBEACON: Is it a good or bad source?
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 07:49 PM
Jun 2015

The source was ridiculed and deemed unacceptable by the Hillary Rah-Rah Machine here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6879419

But now it's okay? Hokey smokes, the spin must be making y'all dizzy.

William769

(55,151 posts)
6. I don't see a comment in that thread from me. WOuld you mind showing me the link please?
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 07:52 PM
Jun 2015

Also there is more than one link in the OP.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
8. Uh huh. Y'all need to make up your minds. You can't have it both ways.
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 08:00 PM
Jun 2015

Her senior thesis was a smug hit job on Alinsky. That's a fact. The letters in your other link are irrelevant in that regard and don't change the nature of her thesis, but you go on with your bad self if it makes you feel better.

pnwmom

(109,028 posts)
30. Her senior thesis wasn't a hit job on Alinsky, smug or otherwise. Only the most paranoid
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 09:54 PM
Jun 2015

of his followers could have thought so.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
32. that's your opinion
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 10:08 PM
Jun 2015

I agree with many others that think otherwise.

I'll extend you the courtesy of not marginalizing your opinion. Reciprocity. Look into it.

pnwmom

(109,028 posts)
34. And it was clearly shared by Alinsky, since he offered her a job afterwards.
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 10:14 PM
Jun 2015

Common sense. Look into it.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
36. After she wrote the thesis. AFTER.
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 10:24 PM
Jun 2015

That does not change the nature of the thesis.

Why is that so difficult to understand? Drinking the kool aid seems to eradicate all common sense. You offer a red herring with a straight face.

The thesis denigrated the efficacy of Alinsky's life work. Period. That's a fact. What you're throwing out there is irrelevant and beside the point.

Have a nice evening.

pnwmom

(109,028 posts)
37. Duh. AFTER he had a chance to see what she'd said about him.
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 10:28 PM
Jun 2015

He was a smart man. Of course he wouldn't have offered her a job if she'd "denigrated the efficacy" of his "life work." Why is that so difficult to understand?

Talk about drinking the kool aid. You better go look for an antidote.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
38. Your zeal to smooth over Hillary's story seems to have tripped you up a bit.
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 10:40 PM
Jun 2015

Her thesis was exactly as I described it, critical of Alinsky. That's a fact. Whatever happened outside of that is, duh, outside of that, doesn't change that fact, and is not the point. What a dumb fucking hill to die on. Jesus H. Christ. I put my first person on ignore today. The first in 10 years. I've got a feeling that I'm going to break my own record today.

Bernie has the momentum. That's also a fact. See you at the ballot box.

pnwmom

(109,028 posts)
39. Your opinion is NOT a fact. You've already acknowledged that. And Alinsky's own opinion --
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 10:47 PM
Jun 2015

which was surely involved in his subsequent decision to HIRE her -- counts for a lot more.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
10. Tell people to go to Wikipedia...
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 08:04 PM
Jun 2015

Although they'd trash that as right-wing...anything to bash Hillary...they're nuts.

Cha

(298,135 posts)
22. Now where have I heard that name before..? Ah, yes, the dreaded Saul Alinksy.. thanks for the
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 08:58 PM
Jun 2015

early history on Hillary, William.

6chars

(3,967 posts)
28. from Better Call Saul?
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 09:34 PM
Jun 2015

first episode was great! I didn't watch the ones you have to pay for yet though

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
24. Her thesis on Alinsky doesn't read like she was some fangirl
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 09:09 PM
Jun 2015

I read it years ago. It was a nuanced and balanced treatment in my view.

bigtree

(86,024 posts)
26. Clinton’s Thesis on Leftist Icon Reveals Roots
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 09:14 PM
Jun 2015

___perhaps more than anyone, it was Alan Schechter, a political science professor who mentored Clinton during her student years at Wellesley College, who had a ringside seat to her intellectual and political transformation amid the turbulent 1960s. A self-described “FDR progressive” raised in Brooklyn by the secular children of Jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe, Schechter, 71, met Clinton in his capacity as an adviser to the student government and went on to become a beloved professor who wrote her a glowing recommendation to Yale Law School. As her thesis adviser, Schechter steered Clinton to focus her project on Saul Alinsky, the irascible labor and civil rights activist who pioneered the practice of community organizing with his Depression-era campaign to improve conditions in the Chicago slum made notorious by writer Upton Sinclair.

Her approach was “instrumental, pragmatic, how do you get from point A to point B,” said Schechter, who recently discussed with the Forward his most famous pupil and her 1969 senior project. “She wasn’t studying Alinsky because of her interest in Alinsky and not even, I think, because of her interest in community organizing as such. It was much more that he had a particular approach to poverty.”

The senator’s 92-page thesis on Alinsky went largely unnoticed until 1992, when the Clintons, to the chagrin of Schechter, successfully lobbied Wellesley officials to close access to the paper as long as they occupied the White House. The project subsequently became a lightning rod for the couple’s Republican opponents, who alleged it might contain evidence that Hillary Clinton once held radical beliefs. The charge may well find its way back into heavy rotation if the New York senator advances to the general election, though a close reading of the thesis — now available at the Wellesley archives and posted on at least one conservative Web site — tends to back up Clinton’s own insistence that she was no emerging firebrand in college.

With a title taken from a T.S. Eliot poem, Clinton’s thesis, “‘There Is Only the Fight…’: An Analysis of the Alinsky Model,” takes a pragmatic approach to the issue of poverty alleviation. Her question is how best to help poor people in urban areas, and her approach is empirical rather than normative. The paper often takes a no-nonsense tone, as when Clinton sounds a skeptical note about the usefulness of “psychodramatics” in politics, or reminds her readers that discussing Alinsky “apart from his actions is like discussing current theories of international relations without mentioning Vietnam.”

Carefully footnoted, and written in academic prose, the paper examines both Alinsky’s community-organizing tactics and the government programs created by 1960s “welfarephiles” — and finds them both lacking. Clinton argued that Alinsky’s bottom-up community organizing is ineffective at producing long-term comprehensive reform, even as she criticized the federal anti-poverty programs of the 1960s for failing to solicit meaningful input from the intended recipients.

read more: http://forward.com/news/12202/clinton-s-thesis-on-leftist-icon-reveals-roots-00926/

ThoughtCriminal

(14,057 posts)
31. What is really "controversial" about Saul Alinsky?
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 10:05 PM
Jun 2015

Sure, encouraging minorities to become politically active might have made one a "Radical" in the mid-1960's. But what is about him that makes conservatives clutch their pearls and gasp. I keep coming across those "letters to the editor" from right-wing nuts that clearly have no clue about his actual writings and activities. They just mention the name along with "1960's radical left-winger" and Hillary Clinton, as if that's all one needs to know.

Is it maybe a name, that to them, "Sounds like he must be some kind of dangerous Jewish Bolshevik"?






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