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Rafael Cruz, Sen. Ted Cruz's (R-TX) father, on Saturday said that northeastern Jews and Catholics put their allegiance to the Democratic Party ahead of their religion.
"Unfortunately, in the northeast, the Jews are Democrats first and Jews second," he said at an event on Saturday held by the Palm Beach County Tea Party. "This is what has happened to a great many in the Catholic church. They are Democrats first and Catholics second."
Rafael Cruz said that Americans "need to put principle above tradition."
"There are people voting Democrat because, 'My grandfather or my father voted Democrat. Let me tell you something. The Democratic party today is not the Democratic party of John Kennedy. John Kennedy would be a Republican today," he said.
He made the comments in response to a remark from an audience member lamenting that leaders in the Catholic church have not helped the Republican cause. The comments were flagged by the Democratic group American Bridge.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rafael-cruz-jews-catholics-democrats
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)I agree with what he says, but not what he means here:
Since, of course, religion is 'tradition', and parties have platforms based on principle.
aggiesal
(8,963 posts)I'm a democratic because I'm catholic.
They seem to think that Christians in general should only believe in what they believe.
Good luck with that.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)This goofball is batshit from go.
MADem
(135,425 posts)So, I'm sure he thinks that the Pope's latest encyclical on climate change should be obeyed without QUESTION, then....? If religion trumps all....? This is a formal document, after all, not just a little speechifying. The faithful are to take it on board!
I see a loudmouth not even reallizing he's being hoisted upon his own petard! Keep talking, Rafael, keep talking! Between you and your clueless offspring, some lucky fools in the GOP clown car will soon have a bit more ass room if you keep this stupidity coming!
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)A man who says that all papal utterances must be obeyed by all Catholics, said to me that he is going to wait until the official Latin text of "Laudato Si' is published in the Acta Apostolicae Sedis -- "Acts of the Apostolic See" -- the official gazette of the Vatican. Two things to point out: (1) the French and English texts, which have been published, say exactly the same thing, so I doubt that the Latin text is going to differ; and (2) to my certain knowledge, this man does not read Latin.
He's just stalling.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)will be lining up to push for climate change legislation, higher taxes on the rich and to stop the international weapons trade, among other things.
malaise
(269,328 posts)Go Cheney yourself!
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)render unto to Ceasar that which is Ceasar (taxes). Render unto to God that which is God (tithes) Parties have principles and parties have POLICIES, which are supposed to reflect those principles.
pinto
(106,886 posts)I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish; where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source; where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials; and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16920600
jwirr
(39,215 posts)father their religion teaches that they are not separate and in fact would like a theocracy instead of freedom of religion. This is why he says this about the other religions. If we do not want a theocracy then we are not following the right religion.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)But a hell of a lot more dangerous.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)boston bean
(36,225 posts)I reject that framing from some here and from Bernie Sanders as well.
Hope this helps some to understand why the meme "social issues are used by politicians to divide us" "voting against their own interest"... makes me want to cringe and why people should stop saying that...
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...was getting ready to be all outraged by your ridiculous comparison.
But then I realized that really, that's what your attempts to smear Bernie really are: just downright ridiculous.
So ridiculous, in fact, that the proper response is just to point and laugh.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)UTUSN
(70,793 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)In the northeast, because he knows so much about us.
Behind the Aegis
(54,066 posts)Not a few weeks back we were told here that gays who "held a fundraiser" for Cruz were being "good Jews", but "bad gays"...multiple times. Don't support Sanders? Self-hating Jew! It is amazing how many non-Jews get to define who and what we are, especially when it fulfills their agendas!
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)keeps up his good work for the Democratic Party.
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)pnwmom
(109,025 posts)calling on Catholics and the whole world community to work for saving the environment and for social justice.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Are you heeding his call on that?
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)have always accused me of being.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)In most cases, that's a good thing. However the right wing gets to do the same thing. So there we are.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Behind the Aegis
(54,066 posts)There are always those ready to remind us of it, like Cruz, Sr.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Skittles
(153,314 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)I'm sure many Democrats will be very grateful for his advice. Would anyone care to ask Ms. Kennedy which party her father would have been a member of today? My money is on the Democratic Party.
Given that the other party is a clown car driven by racist, xenophobic and misogynist homophobes - and their bankrollers...
JHB
(37,166 posts)He's a pastor with the "Purifying Fire Ministries", some evangelical outfit, correct? Since when have they stopped preaching that all Jews and Catholics (JFK included) would burn in hell for failing to folllow the "true" Word of God?
gordianot
(15,259 posts)Adopting birth control as an issue was a Trojan Horse to suck in Catholics. Those who support Israel eagerly anticipate Armageddon followed by massacre of Jews with a final conversion to Christianity.
As to specific details of what Ted thinks is anyone's guess.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)gordianot
(15,259 posts)Fundies also use abortion as a ruse. He goes as far as expressing adniration of Hagee. Over Social Justice and climate change I am certain his head is about to explode.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)DhhD
(4,695 posts)was taken up by Crux, Perry, Bachman, as the Apostolic Church. Apostolic Church is not the Evangelical Church.
JHB
(37,166 posts)...will burn in hell? Then my point remains: Papa Cruz is trying to wrap himself in the mantle of JFK -- a man he believes is suffering the fires of perdition at this very moment -- in the same breath that he advises putting "principle above tradition."
Even so, thanks for the denominational correction.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)The stupid from this man hurts.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)Teddy some votes.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)is it the other way around.... I get so confused.....
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)"I bet you follow this teaching with the same accuracy as you follow Jesus Christ's demand for non-violence. Or his demand for donating everything to the poor and living in humbleness and poverty yourself."
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Botany
(70,657 posts)If by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people-their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights and their civil liberties-someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal", then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal. JFK 9/14/1960
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)and I'm no fan of either.
To be fair religion is a fascinating topic of deep anthropological and cultural significance. But so is the diet of medieval peasants, and it should have a similar influence on politics.
valerief
(53,235 posts)world wide wally
(21,762 posts)PCIntern
(25,657 posts)I am a Democrat because I am religious and observant.
Who the fuck is this slimy bastard to tell me about my religion?
This ass has no idea what the fuck he's talking about.
Behind the Aegis
(54,066 posts)Seems to happen quite often to us, no? Then again, we never make anyone happy. Every election cycle, we are treated to "Did the Jews cost us the election?" crap, with a "through" analysis of our voting choices. It is even more pronounced during presidential election cycles.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)This is one major reason why I left the church.
The other of course is the church promotes dark age oppressive voodoo in place of logic and reason.
benld74
(9,912 posts)that ANY presidential candidate who was in favor of abortion,
should NOT be provided Communion
Are being GOP FIRST and FOREMOST without Catholic even entering into their methods.
itcfish
(1,828 posts)I read somewhere that Cruz's dad was a minister, doesnt that mean he is a protestant? Not a Catholic? Where does this come from? How dare he tell people how to practice their faith!
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)JPK
(656 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)two families that practice being idiots
and Kennedy would not be a republican
El Shaman
(583 posts)http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/rafael-cruz-declares-son-ted-cruz-anointed-
Ese viehito es un Cubano bastardo junto con, su hijo de puta,Theodro.
spanone
(135,950 posts)TRoN33
(769 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Oh, wait.......
Cruz's father is the one putting his politics above his religion.
MoreGOPoop
(417 posts)Since all they've got is hook, crook & bedazzlement by bullshit, it must
be time for the Southern Strategy, 2.0.
DFW
(54,515 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I'm beginning to think the elder Cruz is acting as proxy for Ted-- telling Ted's base the things they want to hear from Ted who is himself, constrained from saying the (truly, absolutely, universally acknowledged as) idiocy he wants to give his voters.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)If John Kennedy was alive and able to defend himself, no way would Rafael say something that slanderous. What a f'n idiot.
bucolic_frolic
(43,511 posts)into their basic demographic components so we can manipulate them
and figure out how to make them vote the way we want them to.
They're not people, or Americans, or individuals, they're our raw material
so we can be elected and run their lives, control their bedrooms, fleece
their retirement plans. And God put us here to do that.
Hekate
(91,047 posts)KelleyKramer
(9,014 posts)So Rafael, what are you going to do about that? ... put the Republican party ahead of religion??
What a jackass
7962
(11,841 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)The shit my Republican stepfather said and other delusions by the GOP.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)one another, be kind to those less fortunate - Same thing.
I am sad for you, Mr Cruz.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)These guys are Republican first before they would do ANYTHING Jesus taught.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)ck4829
(35,096 posts)"God helps those who are billionaires"
"Thou shalt not lie, steal, kill... unless thou can pay for it."
"Burn the Heretic. Kill the Mutant. Purge the Unclean."
"Mock the hungry, tease the thirsty, imprison the naked, fine the homeless, tell the sick to die quickly and not make a mess, execute the imprisoned, and make more dead."
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)... "C'mon, Pop! I got enough problems with my OWN mouth without having to worry about what comes out of yours! My campaign is sinking like a cinder block, and it doesn't need your help to reach the bottom of the conservative cesspool!"
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)but haven't set foot in their house of worship in many years, and don't particularly believe in it any more, or are raising their own children in it. They say they are simply because they were raised in that belief. More of a cultural than religious thing.
I did that myself (from the NE) for a very long time. Who was I kidding and for what? Now I just say NO organized religion.
Maybe Cruz's father does not understand this mindset?
Gothmog
(145,968 posts)Jewish Americans vote for Democratic candidates for some very good reasons that this idiot is too stupid to understand