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RandySF

(59,823 posts)
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 08:39 PM Jun 2015

Cruz's Dad: Northeastern Catholics, Jews Put Being Dems Above Religion

Rafael Cruz, Sen. Ted Cruz's (R-TX) father, on Saturday said that northeastern Jews and Catholics put their allegiance to the Democratic Party ahead of their religion.

"Unfortunately, in the northeast, the Jews are Democrats first and Jews second," he said at an event on Saturday held by the Palm Beach County Tea Party. "This is what has happened to a great many in the Catholic church. They are Democrats first and Catholics second."

Rafael Cruz said that Americans "need to put principle above tradition."

"There are people voting Democrat because, 'My grandfather or my father voted Democrat.’ Let me tell you something. The Democratic party today is not the Democratic party of John Kennedy. John Kennedy would be a Republican today," he said.

He made the comments in response to a remark from an audience member lamenting that leaders in the Catholic church have not helped the Republican cause. The comments were flagged by the Democratic group American Bridge.


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rafael-cruz-jews-catholics-democrats

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Cruz's Dad: Northeastern Catholics, Jews Put Being Dems Above Religion (Original Post) RandySF Jun 2015 OP
Good for them. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #1
Both daddy and Jr. Cruz are idiots ... aggiesal Jun 2015 #39
Didn't this guy start his own church? shenmue Jun 2015 #2
Probably the Church of Fleecing The Suckers. hifiguy Jun 2015 #8
That's HILARIOUS!!!!! MADem Jun 2015 #3
Yesterday, a very conservative Catholic, Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2015 #69
I'm sure this person NewJeffCT Jun 2015 #75
Ted Cruz's dad malaise Jun 2015 #4
separation of church and state; underthematrix Jun 2015 #5
LOL. "I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute." - JFK, 9/12/'60 pinto Jun 2015 #6
For most traditional religions including the Jews religion is a personal choice. For Teddy and his jwirr Jun 2015 #30
Nuttier than squirrel shit. hifiguy Jun 2015 #7
And the other nut didn't fall very far from the tree. Fuddnik Jun 2015 #24
This is criticism of identity politics. boston bean Jun 2015 #9
You almost had me going there for a minute... ljm2002 Jun 2015 #11
plus a brazilian or two. hifiguy Jun 2015 #59
Sense and sensibility. I guess it's a lost art. eom Cleita Jun 2015 #15
Wow. Just wow. hifiguy Jun 2015 #58
R#4 & K for, but DERSHOWITZ & TOOBIN say his son is VERY SMART!1 n/t UTUSN Jun 2015 #10
Oh sure, Cruz father, who is even more nutty than Cruz, gets to define Jews stevenleser Jun 2015 #12
What's even nuttier? Behind the Aegis Jun 2015 #13
Let's hope Poppy Cruz sulphurdunn Jun 2015 #73
He knows nothing about Catholics, either. He obviously never heard of Pope Francis. n/t pnwmom Jun 2015 #16
Guess this guy has never heard of Pope Francis and his new encyclical pnwmom Jun 2015 #14
The pope also calls on Catholics and the world community to "value life," and stop abortion. trotsky Jun 2015 #52
Nope, I'm the same "cafeteria Catholic" the right-wing fundies and left wing DU atheists pnwmom Jun 2015 #57
Yep, you are free to ignore whatever teachings don't appeal to you. trotsky Jun 2015 #74
Jews have always been a convenient scapegoat. It seems we haven't evolved since the Romans. eom. Cleita Jun 2015 #17
Some things never go out of style. Behind the Aegis Jun 2015 #20
and did someone say Rome? MisterP Jun 2015 #46
says the same assholes who still think they are the party of Lincoln Skittles Jun 2015 #18
How nice of Mr. Cruz's father to pontificate on these matters. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #19
Doesn't he already think Catholics and Jews will go to hell? JHB Jun 2015 #21
Almost all Fundies think Catholics and Jews are going to hell. gordianot Jun 2015 #22
We Catholics know better. ;-) WinkyDink Jun 2015 #26
My former best friend who is Catholic does not know better. gordianot Jun 2015 #37
This Pope had better watch his back, as he's saying actual Christian things! WinkyDink Jun 2015 #49
Dominionists are not evangelicals. The Rain Movement that originated in England and Came to Canada DhhD Jun 2015 #64
Do they still believe that Catholics, Jews, and everybody except themselves... JHB Jun 2015 #68
So, I guess all the Jews in Southern california don't do this... joeybee12 Jun 2015 #23
You go GET those voters, Ted! Bwahahahaha! WinkyDink Jun 2015 #25
LOL. If you don't act like a teabagger then you are not a Christian. That ought to get poor little jwirr Jun 2015 #27
like son like father or heaven05 Jun 2015 #28
"Dear Republicans: How is that feeding-the-poor thing coming along?" DetlefK Jun 2015 #29
my guess is electing Teddy gets you Daddy as part of the package LynneSin Jun 2015 #31
John Kennedy would be a Republican today." Botany Jun 2015 #32
Hell, I put country music and hemorrhoids above religion whatthehey Jun 2015 #33
Fuck you and your religion, Cruz! nt valerief Jun 2015 #34
Religion is just a tool to sway voters from people like Cruz and Huckabee and Santorum and ... world wide wally Jun 2015 #35
Fuck him. PCIntern Jun 2015 #36
"Who the fuck is this slimy bastard to tell me about my religion?" Behind the Aegis Jun 2015 #38
Actually the RCC has taken the side of the GOP when it comes to electoral politics. Dawson Leery Jun 2015 #40
And those Catholic Bishops who stated benld74 Jun 2015 #41
Wait Wait itcfish Jun 2015 #42
You stay classy, Rafael. KamaAina Jun 2015 #43
Always call him by his real name, Rafael. N?T JPK Jun 2015 #44
Cruz and Paul Angry Dragon Jun 2015 #45
Talk about relegious HOs El Shaman Jun 2015 #47
rafael....shut the fuck up. spanone Jun 2015 #48
Double-speak; Rafael Cruz are practically defending child molesters from Catholic. TRoN33 Jun 2015 #50
Yeah, like the Pope puts concern for the environment and the vulnerable above religion. merrily Jun 2015 #51
K & R MoreGOPoop Jun 2015 #53
I know what the Cruz family desperately needs: DFW Jun 2015 #54
I'm beginning to think the elder Cruz is acting as proxy for Ted LanternWaste Jun 2015 #55
John Kennedy would be a Republican today Kalidurga Jun 2015 #56
Because we really should vivisect everyone bucolic_frolic Jun 2015 #60
Very interesting. Keep talking, Cruz Sr. We all want to hear what you have to say. nt Hekate Jun 2015 #61
Well the Pope just came out against climate change KelleyKramer Jun 2015 #62
MAny here said from the start Ted's dad would be his downfall. nt 7962 Jun 2015 #63
Oh noe's, real world sense before magic. Burn them at the stake Phlem Jun 2015 #65
I am a NE Catholic - Democratic Party and Religion one in the same. Love Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2015 #66
Project much? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #67
"They 'need to put principle above tradition.' " Sounds like that's what they're doing! Brickbat Jun 2015 #70
He should just start the official Republican Church, just cut out the middle man ck4829 Jun 2015 #71
Ted Cruz had better have a little chat with his Daddy... gregcrawford Jun 2015 #72
How many people say they are of a particular religion HockeyMom Jun 2015 #76
Carnival Cruz' daddy is a nut case Gothmog Jun 2015 #77

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
1. Good for them.
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 08:43 PM
Jun 2015

I agree with what he says, but not what he means here:

Rafael Cruz said that Americans "need to put principle above tradition."


Since, of course, religion is 'tradition', and parties have platforms based on principle.

aggiesal

(8,963 posts)
39. Both daddy and Jr. Cruz are idiots ...
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 01:51 PM
Jun 2015

I'm a democratic because I'm catholic.

They seem to think that Christians in general should only believe in what they believe.

Good luck with that.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
3. That's HILARIOUS!!!!!
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 08:47 PM
Jun 2015

So, I'm sure he thinks that the Pope's latest encyclical on climate change should be obeyed without QUESTION, then....? If religion trumps all....? This is a formal document, after all, not just a little speechifying. The faithful are to take it on board!

I see a loudmouth not even reallizing he's being hoisted upon his own petard! Keep talking, Rafael, keep talking! Between you and your clueless offspring, some lucky fools in the GOP clown car will soon have a bit more ass room if you keep this stupidity coming!

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
69. Yesterday, a very conservative Catholic,
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 07:12 AM
Jun 2015

A man who says that all papal utterances must be obeyed by all Catholics, said to me that he is going to wait until the official Latin text of "Laudato Si' is published in the Acta Apostolicae Sedis -- "Acts of the Apostolic See" -- the official gazette of the Vatican. Two things to point out: (1) the French and English texts, which have been published, say exactly the same thing, so I doubt that the Latin text is going to differ; and (2) to my certain knowledge, this man does not read Latin.

He's just stalling.

NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)
75. I'm sure this person
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 10:22 AM
Jun 2015

will be lining up to push for climate change legislation, higher taxes on the rich and to stop the international weapons trade, among other things.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
5. separation of church and state;
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 08:49 PM
Jun 2015

render unto to Ceasar that which is Ceasar (taxes). Render unto to God that which is God (tithes) Parties have principles and parties have POLICIES, which are supposed to reflect those principles.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
6. LOL. "I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute." - JFK, 9/12/'60
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 08:51 PM
Jun 2015
On Sept. 12, 1960, presidential candidate John F. Kennedy gave a major speech to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association, a group of Protestant ministers, on the issue of his religion.

I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute, where no Catholic prelate would tell the president (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote; where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference; and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the president who might appoint him or the people who might elect him.

I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish; where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source; where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials; and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all.


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16920600

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
30. For most traditional religions including the Jews religion is a personal choice. For Teddy and his
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:49 AM
Jun 2015

father their religion teaches that they are not separate and in fact would like a theocracy instead of freedom of religion. This is why he says this about the other religions. If we do not want a theocracy then we are not following the right religion.

boston bean

(36,225 posts)
9. This is criticism of identity politics.
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 08:56 PM
Jun 2015

I reject that framing from some here and from Bernie Sanders as well.

Hope this helps some to understand why the meme "social issues are used by politicians to divide us" "voting against their own interest"... makes me want to cringe and why people should stop saying that...



ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
11. You almost had me going there for a minute...
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 10:14 PM
Jun 2015

...was getting ready to be all outraged by your ridiculous comparison.

But then I realized that really, that's what your attempts to smear Bernie really are: just downright ridiculous.

So ridiculous, in fact, that the proper response is just to point and laugh.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
12. Oh sure, Cruz father, who is even more nutty than Cruz, gets to define Jews
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 11:37 PM
Jun 2015

In the northeast, because he knows so much about us.



Behind the Aegis

(54,066 posts)
13. What's even nuttier?
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 12:15 AM
Jun 2015

Not a few weeks back we were told here that gays who "held a fundraiser" for Cruz were being "good Jews", but "bad gays"...multiple times. Don't support Sanders? Self-hating Jew! It is amazing how many non-Jews get to define who and what we are, especially when it fulfills their agendas!

pnwmom

(109,025 posts)
14. Guess this guy has never heard of Pope Francis and his new encyclical
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 01:25 AM
Jun 2015

calling on Catholics and the whole world community to work for saving the environment and for social justice.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
52. The pope also calls on Catholics and the world community to "value life," and stop abortion.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 05:27 PM
Jun 2015

Are you heeding his call on that?

pnwmom

(109,025 posts)
57. Nope, I'm the same "cafeteria Catholic" the right-wing fundies and left wing DU atheists
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 05:57 PM
Jun 2015

have always accused me of being.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
74. Yep, you are free to ignore whatever teachings don't appeal to you.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 08:35 AM
Jun 2015

In most cases, that's a good thing. However the right wing gets to do the same thing. So there we are.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
19. How nice of Mr. Cruz's father to pontificate on these matters.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 04:29 AM
Jun 2015

I'm sure many Democrats will be very grateful for his advice. Would anyone care to ask Ms. Kennedy which party her father would have been a member of today? My money is on the Democratic Party.

Given that the other party is a clown car driven by racist, xenophobic and misogynist homophobes - and their bankrollers...

JHB

(37,166 posts)
21. Doesn't he already think Catholics and Jews will go to hell?
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 05:51 AM
Jun 2015

He's a pastor with the "Purifying Fire Ministries", some evangelical outfit, correct? Since when have they stopped preaching that all Jews and Catholics (JFK included) would burn in hell for failing to folllow the "true" Word of God?

gordianot

(15,259 posts)
22. Almost all Fundies think Catholics and Jews are going to hell.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:10 AM
Jun 2015

Adopting birth control as an issue was a Trojan Horse to suck in Catholics. Those who support Israel eagerly anticipate Armageddon followed by massacre of Jews with a final conversion to Christianity.

As to specific details of what Ted thinks is anyone's guess.

gordianot

(15,259 posts)
37. My former best friend who is Catholic does not know better.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 01:20 PM
Jun 2015

Fundies also use abortion as a ruse. He goes as far as expressing adniration of Hagee. Over Social Justice and climate change I am certain his head is about to explode.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
64. Dominionists are not evangelicals. The Rain Movement that originated in England and Came to Canada
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:03 PM
Jun 2015

was taken up by Crux, Perry, Bachman, as the Apostolic Church. Apostolic Church is not the Evangelical Church.

JHB

(37,166 posts)
68. Do they still believe that Catholics, Jews, and everybody except themselves...
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 04:19 AM
Jun 2015

...will burn in hell? Then my point remains: Papa Cruz is trying to wrap himself in the mantle of JFK -- a man he believes is suffering the fires of perdition at this very moment -- in the same breath that he advises putting "principle above tradition."

Even so, thanks for the denominational correction.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
27. LOL. If you don't act like a teabagger then you are not a Christian. That ought to get poor little
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:40 AM
Jun 2015

Teddy some votes.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
29. "Dear Republicans: How is that feeding-the-poor thing coming along?"
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:48 AM
Jun 2015

"I bet you follow this teaching with the same accuracy as you follow Jesus Christ's demand for non-violence. Or his demand for donating everything to the poor and living in humbleness and poverty yourself."

Botany

(70,657 posts)
32. John Kennedy would be a Republican today."
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 12:05 PM
Jun 2015

“If by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people-their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights and their civil liberties-someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal", then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal.” JFK 9/14/1960

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
33. Hell, I put country music and hemorrhoids above religion
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 12:18 PM
Jun 2015

and I'm no fan of either.

To be fair religion is a fascinating topic of deep anthropological and cultural significance. But so is the diet of medieval peasants, and it should have a similar influence on politics.

PCIntern

(25,657 posts)
36. Fuck him.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 01:14 PM
Jun 2015

I am a Democrat because I am religious and observant.

Who the fuck is this slimy bastard to tell me about my religion?

This ass has no idea what the fuck he's talking about.

Behind the Aegis

(54,066 posts)
38. "Who the fuck is this slimy bastard to tell me about my religion?"
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 01:27 PM
Jun 2015

Seems to happen quite often to us, no? Then again, we never make anyone happy. Every election cycle, we are treated to "Did the Jews cost us the election?" crap, with a "through" analysis of our voting choices. It is even more pronounced during presidential election cycles.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
40. Actually the RCC has taken the side of the GOP when it comes to electoral politics.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 01:55 PM
Jun 2015

This is one major reason why I left the church.
The other of course is the church promotes dark age oppressive voodoo in place of logic and reason.

benld74

(9,912 posts)
41. And those Catholic Bishops who stated
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 02:15 PM
Jun 2015

that ANY presidential candidate who was in favor of abortion,

should NOT be provided Communion

Are being GOP FIRST and FOREMOST without Catholic even entering into their methods.

itcfish

(1,828 posts)
42. Wait Wait
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 02:18 PM
Jun 2015

I read somewhere that Cruz's dad was a minister, doesnt that mean he is a protestant? Not a Catholic? Where does this come from? How dare he tell people how to practice their faith!

merrily

(45,251 posts)
51. Yeah, like the Pope puts concern for the environment and the vulnerable above religion.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 05:12 PM
Jun 2015

Oh, wait.......

Cruz's father is the one putting his politics above his religion.

MoreGOPoop

(417 posts)
53. K & R
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 05:42 PM
Jun 2015

Since all they've got is hook, crook & bedazzlement by bullshit, it must
be time for the Southern Strategy, 2.0.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
55. I'm beginning to think the elder Cruz is acting as proxy for Ted
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 05:47 PM
Jun 2015

I'm beginning to think the elder Cruz is acting as proxy for Ted-- telling Ted's base the things they want to hear from Ted who is himself, constrained from saying the (truly, absolutely, universally acknowledged as) idiocy he wants to give his voters.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
56. John Kennedy would be a Republican today
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 05:50 PM
Jun 2015

If John Kennedy was alive and able to defend himself, no way would Rafael say something that slanderous. What a f'n idiot.

bucolic_frolic

(43,511 posts)
60. Because we really should vivisect everyone
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 08:09 PM
Jun 2015

into their basic demographic components so we can manipulate them
and figure out how to make them vote the way we want them to.
They're not people, or Americans, or individuals, they're our raw material
so we can be elected and run their lives, control their bedrooms, fleece
their retirement plans. And God put us here to do that.

KelleyKramer

(9,014 posts)
62. Well the Pope just came out against climate change
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 10:41 PM
Jun 2015

So Rafael, what are you going to do about that? ... put the Republican party ahead of religion??

What a jackass

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
65. Oh noe's, real world sense before magic. Burn them at the stake
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 12:17 AM
Jun 2015

The shit my Republican stepfather said and other delusions by the GOP.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
66. I am a NE Catholic - Democratic Party and Religion one in the same. Love
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 12:33 AM
Jun 2015

one another, be kind to those less fortunate - Same thing.

I am sad for you, Mr Cruz.

ck4829

(35,096 posts)
71. He should just start the official Republican Church, just cut out the middle man
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 07:21 AM
Jun 2015

"God helps those who are billionaires"

"Thou shalt not lie, steal, kill... unless thou can pay for it."

"Burn the Heretic. Kill the Mutant. Purge the Unclean."

"Mock the hungry, tease the thirsty, imprison the naked, fine the homeless, tell the sick to die quickly and not make a mess, execute the imprisoned, and make more dead."

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
72. Ted Cruz had better have a little chat with his Daddy...
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 07:24 AM
Jun 2015

... "C'mon, Pop! I got enough problems with my OWN mouth without having to worry about what comes out of yours! My campaign is sinking like a cinder block, and it doesn't need your help to reach the bottom of the conservative cesspool!"

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
76. How many people say they are of a particular religion
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 10:57 AM
Jun 2015

but haven't set foot in their house of worship in many years, and don't particularly believe in it any more, or are raising their own children in it. They say they are simply because they were raised in that belief. More of a cultural than religious thing.

I did that myself (from the NE) for a very long time. Who was I kidding and for what? Now I just say NO organized religion.

Maybe Cruz's father does not understand this mindset?

Gothmog

(145,968 posts)
77. Carnival Cruz' daddy is a nut case
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 12:46 PM
Jun 2015

Jewish Americans vote for Democratic candidates for some very good reasons that this idiot is too stupid to understand

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