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Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 08:17 AM Jun 2015

Doctors urge UK government to remove NHS from TTIP

Doctors have voted overwhelmingly to urge the Government to remove health and social care services from a controversial trade agreement between the EU and United States.

"If there is anything resembling an NHS by the time this treaty is negotiated it won't survive," one GP warned.

....

Dr Henry McKee, a GP from Belfast, was introduced to delegates as being against the motion - but told them it was because "it doesn't go far enough".

"Freedom of information requests of other countries which have entered into such agreements show exactly how damaging this treaty will be to both the social fabric and the health economy of this country," he said.

"If there is anything resembling an NHS by the time this treaty is negotiated it won't survive this treaty.

"The correct motion is to kill this treaty dead, not to tolerate it sneaking in and mugging us."

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Telegraph
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Doctors urge UK government to remove NHS from TTIP (Original Post) Capt. Obvious Jun 2015 OP
UK citizens, if you lose NHS, you are screwn. Just like us in the USA. nt raccoon Jun 2015 #1
I hope our government listens or rather it NEEDS to; this is a medical emergency! LeftishBrit Jun 2015 #2
Kill that bill. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #3
And the shareholders who bankroll them. The most important cog of all. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #6
I have yet to hear how these trade deals help anyone? gordianot Jun 2015 #4
"No one wants a world wide Oligarchy." magical thyme Jun 2015 #5
Maybe the British Commonwealth can introduce Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #7
It is cheaper than buying unreliable politicians who think they need to win elections. gordianot Jun 2015 #8
exactly. too bad the politicians handing them TPP are too stupid to see that magical thyme Jun 2015 #9
That would also put a few lobbyist out of work. gordianot Jun 2015 #10
the congresspeople and lobbyists will probably get all the retraining money magical thyme Jun 2015 #11
It's a choice between jobs going to Vietnam or China Recursion Jun 2015 #12
"NHS" is Britain's "National Health Service". Thus, your screed is utterly irrelevant. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #13
The question was how trade deals help anyone Recursion Jun 2015 #14
No, you were spouting nonsense about T-shirts. *Read* first, *pontificate* second (if at all). Romulox Jun 2015 #17
I guess you didn't read the post I was responding to Recursion Jun 2015 #18
I read it. I want to know how TPP helps Britain's NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE. T-shirts = irrelevant. Romulox Jun 2015 #19
The OP was about TTIP. The post I responded to was about trade deals in general Recursion Jun 2015 #20
Right. So the answer is, it doesn't help the NHS. It hurts it. A lot. Romulox Jun 2015 #21
Which is a counter to Chinese currency manipulation. gordianot Jun 2015 #15
Yes, that's a big part of all this Recursion Jun 2015 #16

LeftishBrit

(41,219 posts)
2. I hope our government listens or rather it NEEDS to; this is a medical emergency!
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 09:05 AM
Jun 2015

The NHS is one of our greatest assets and we cannot afford to lose it.

Also, what happens to our sovereignty as a state? The Tories are all in favour of negotiating national sovereignty with the EU, but what's the use of that if we sell the nation and its freedoms to global corporations.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
3. Kill that bill.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 09:11 AM
Jun 2015

Everyone is up in arms against it, except for maybe 0.1 % and their lobbyists. Why is this thing even still on the table?

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
6. And the shareholders who bankroll them. The most important cog of all.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 09:42 AM
Jun 2015

Some of them are vocally against it, but in the only way Wall St cares or can hear, they are all for it.

gordianot

(15,259 posts)
4. I have yet to hear how these trade deals help anyone?
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 09:26 AM
Jun 2015

For most of the world the why and what is hidden. In America the who is only hinted at. You can rest assured anything advocated by American Republicans is devoid of benefit to the public welfare. It is possible our cousins in the UK have a clue.

No one wants a world wide Oligarchy.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
7. Maybe the British Commonwealth can introduce
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 09:50 AM
Jun 2015

some restrictions on banking secrets. (The way Luxemburg was reformed recently.)

Then with transparency on the banking accounts, we could start taxing those would-be oligarchs?

gordianot

(15,259 posts)
8. It is cheaper than buying unreliable politicians who think they need to win elections.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 10:10 AM
Jun 2015

When they start getting some pressure they tend to freeze up and have to wait until their term is up to finally deliver.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
9. exactly. too bad the politicians handing them TPP are too stupid to see that
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 10:13 AM
Jun 2015

by making themselves totally irrelevent, they'll no longer be saleable.

gordianot

(15,259 posts)
10. That would also put a few lobbyist out of work.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 10:44 AM
Jun 2015

Would lobbyist get retraining money for a new career?

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
11. the congresspeople and lobbyists will probably get all the retraining money
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 10:46 AM
Jun 2015

for new careers as slimeballs.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
12. It's a choice between jobs going to Vietnam or China
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 10:53 AM
Jun 2015

For Americans, the "pro" side is:

* Shirts will be somewhat cheaper at Walmart
* Heavy manufacturing, agriculture, and software will all see export increases (good on the whole for "the economy" in an abstract sense, but these sectors don't employ very many people)
* There will be marginally less outsourcing to India, China, and Bangladesh which have literally no rules, in favor of TPP partners with merely "very few" rules.

That said, the choice between TPP and no TPP isn't between keeping jobs and losing jobs. The jobs are going either way; this is an attempt to keep some of them out of Chindiadesh.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
17. No, you were spouting nonsense about T-shirts. *Read* first, *pontificate* second (if at all).
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:05 AM
Jun 2015

Your response didn't speak to the subject. In the least. It was canned air.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
20. The OP was about TTIP. The post I responded to was about trade deals in general
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:09 AM
Jun 2015

I see how that could get confusing

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
21. Right. So the answer is, it doesn't help the NHS. It hurts it. A lot.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:14 AM
Jun 2015

I can see why the topic of the OP is unappealing for you.

BTW, have you been able to "imagine" someone owning a home in the US, yet? I know you were having trouble with this the other day, and I wanted to know if I could help in any way.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
16. Yes, that's a big part of all this
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:02 AM
Jun 2015

China had been subsidising Western public debt for a while now and blocs like TTIP and TTP are an attempt to make that harder for them, which should lower the renminbi somewhat. What that will do for western debt yields will be interesting to see.

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