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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDoctors urge UK government to remove NHS from TTIP
"If there is anything resembling an NHS by the time this treaty is negotiated it won't survive," one GP warned.
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Dr Henry McKee, a GP from Belfast, was introduced to delegates as being against the motion - but told them it was because "it doesn't go far enough".
"Freedom of information requests of other countries which have entered into such agreements show exactly how damaging this treaty will be to both the social fabric and the health economy of this country," he said.
"If there is anything resembling an NHS by the time this treaty is negotiated it won't survive this treaty.
"The correct motion is to kill this treaty dead, not to tolerate it sneaking in and mugging us."
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Telegraph
raccoon
(31,135 posts)LeftishBrit
(41,219 posts)The NHS is one of our greatest assets and we cannot afford to lose it.
Also, what happens to our sovereignty as a state? The Tories are all in favour of negotiating national sovereignty with the EU, but what's the use of that if we sell the nation and its freedoms to global corporations.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Everyone is up in arms against it, except for maybe 0.1 % and their lobbyists. Why is this thing even still on the table?
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Some of them are vocally against it, but in the only way Wall St cares or can hear, they are all for it.
gordianot
(15,259 posts)For most of the world the why and what is hidden. In America the who is only hinted at. You can rest assured anything advocated by American Republicans is devoid of benefit to the public welfare. It is possible our cousins in the UK have a clue.
No one wants a world wide Oligarchy.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Except, of course, the would-be World Oligarchs.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)some restrictions on banking secrets. (The way Luxemburg was reformed recently.)
Then with transparency on the banking accounts, we could start taxing those would-be oligarchs?
gordianot
(15,259 posts)When they start getting some pressure they tend to freeze up and have to wait until their term is up to finally deliver.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)by making themselves totally irrelevent, they'll no longer be saleable.
gordianot
(15,259 posts)Would lobbyist get retraining money for a new career?
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)for new careers as slimeballs.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)For Americans, the "pro" side is:
* Shirts will be somewhat cheaper at Walmart
* Heavy manufacturing, agriculture, and software will all see export increases (good on the whole for "the economy" in an abstract sense, but these sectors don't employ very many people)
* There will be marginally less outsourcing to India, China, and Bangladesh which have literally no rules, in favor of TPP partners with merely "very few" rules.
That said, the choice between TPP and no TPP isn't between keeping jobs and losing jobs. The jobs are going either way; this is an attempt to keep some of them out of Chindiadesh.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)You might want to read the thread.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Your response didn't speak to the subject. In the least. It was canned air.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Thanks for your advice, though!
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)I see how that could get confusing
Romulox
(25,960 posts)I can see why the topic of the OP is unappealing for you.
BTW, have you been able to "imagine" someone owning a home in the US, yet? I know you were having trouble with this the other day, and I wanted to know if I could help in any way.
gordianot
(15,259 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)China had been subsidising Western public debt for a while now and blocs like TTIP and TTP are an attempt to make that harder for them, which should lower the renminbi somewhat. What that will do for western debt yields will be interesting to see.