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Saw Elizabeth Warren leaving the floor looking unhappy. Knew it then that we lost.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)This is doom. On so many levels.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)The TPP can still be voted down.
It can be killed with 40 votes in the Senate, if and when it is ever finished and presented.
tritsofme
(17,444 posts)Not 60
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)It'll be easier to kill it in the House with the teabaggers opposed to it.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)that magic point where we'll be able to review it for 60 days...but NO amendment, veto's, filibusters - NO changes etc action can be taken...this deal is now 100% in POTUS (corporate) control.
As I understand it.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Of course, Congress could vote it down. Congress, could also tell Obama that he needs to get some things changed or they will have no choice to vote it down.
Plus, Obama still has to decide whether whatever final agreement is reached between the parties is good enough for America.
Yep, that's a lot of "coulds," not unlike the rhetoric by those opposed to trade agreements which include a lot of "TPP, COULD sell Americans into slavery," and similar hyperbole.
this whole thing has many...too many, really....moving parts....hard to understand the technicalities....
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)The very fact that there is even a possibility that it will pass, demonstrates beyond a doubt, that the corporate coup is almost complete.
Shame on any of them who vote against the sovereignty of this country, against its people. It will go down in history as an utter betrayal of the people by their pretend Reps.
And it will DEMONSTRATE beyond a doubt why the most important issue in this campaign MUST BE to GET THE POISONOUS MONEY out of our political system.
marym625
(17,997 posts)But we do have one more chance to fight the TPP. We can't give up
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)That doesn't call for massive civil disobedience and not even then.
marym625
(17,997 posts)It doesn't call for massive disobedience? You don't think we should protest and/do acts of civil disobedience to stop the TPP?
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)And we should but when has our Congress listened to us?
marym625
(17,997 posts)Really feeling defeated
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)for the people who trusted them with their votes.
A mass movement to oust every betrayer should be the result of this if it happens.
And to elect ONLY those who stood strongly on the side of the people.
There is no other way to defeat the Corporate powers that have clearly bought our government, than to create a mass movement to destroy their strongest weapon against the people, their MONEY.
marym625
(17,997 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)The Democratic Party opened the gates and welcomed in the Trojan Horse containing the corporatists. Just like the Koch Bros planned when they funded the DLC (founding members included the Clintons).
marym625
(17,997 posts)I just was hoping
fredamae
(4,458 posts)in about an hour...
Follow Votes Here:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/votes.htm
bastids
Thank you. I hope you post it
fredamae
(4,458 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)Every one of them!
marym625
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tritsofme
(17,444 posts)Like every other president over the last 40 years, he deserves an up or down vote on the agreements he negotiates.
marym625
(17,997 posts)And to be clear, I don't think it should ever have been given
WillyT
(72,631 posts)And more income inequality... and more middle-class misery...
And remember those "comfortable shoes" ???
I'm so tired of being lied to by politicians.
840high
(17,196 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)over 800 million in the countries that will be affected so adversely if it passes. To state that so many millions of people have no RIGHT to know what is being decided by Corporations on their behalf, is simply stunning to me.
Secrets kept from the people, especially in countries that CLAIM to be democratic in nature, laws written by Corporations, rather than by those who were entrusted with that solemn duty, should and will be condemned and if this abomination passes it will be an attack on the rights of the American people and there will be strong reaction.
Maybe we needed this to finally mobilize the millions who have spoken out against it, and to begin the process so long overdue, of removing the poisonous money from our electoral system.
THIS will be the calling card that has already mobilized millions and if it passes, will no doubt start a political revolution in this country whereby NO corporate funded candidate will feel their seats in Congress are safe. This country's entire labor force which has the money to fight back, has promised this.
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marym625
(17,997 posts)But sure wish this was not the way to guarantee that.
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marym625
(17,997 posts)Just so very disappointed. The corporate world planned all this very well and we let it happen.
I'm disgusted. I don't understand how any Democrat can be for this. I don't understand how any Democrat doesn't fight the corporatocracy. I don't understand how any Democrat supports a candidate that is part of the corporatocracy.
Just disgusted
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Hopefully the voters send her packing.
joshcryer
(62,287 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)TPP will be passed by corproate dems in white house,house,and senate with republicans.
Democracy is ending and corporate rule is coming.remember TPP will allow corporations to sue governments and go to secret tribunles to overide us laws.
If your upset about this do following
work to get Bernie Sanders the nomination
refuse to support any dems ever again who voted for tpp In house and senate.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Abso-fucking-lutely!
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Become a member and take it over from within, as the Republican Tea Party people have tried (somewhat successfully in a lot of places) to do as well.
If you do that, you can get people put in charge at higher levels that will FIRE Debbie Wasserman Schultz the way she should be for SCREWING the Democrats with her f'd up strategies compared to Howard Dean, and for voting for this POS in the House too!
Not to mention trying to help close off our debates as well to outside voices as well.
Here in Washington County in Oregon we meet TOMORROW NIGHT here in Beaverton. Show up! We need a new House rep as well as a new Senator to get challenged in primaries here. There are good people in these groups who want more like them to help them get our power back. This can be part of our grass roots revolution.
Howard Dean got put in charge of the DNC by this strategy!
Also call other possible primary challengers if you know of some viable ones now to get in the process before these PCP groups work on slate cards to hand out to voters. If there's a primary election and not someone who's not challenged in a primary, they really can't endorse a candidate without a vote to do so.
I've called DeFazio's office earlier today to get him to challenge Wyden here in the Senate.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Let's release some of our volunteers into roving reporters and stick a camera in these turncoats faces every time they crawl out of the shadows.
If they choose to make our lives hell, return that favor,
Walk the halls of Congress and hang around their offices, find out their dining haunts, picket their houses anything that will make their life as miserable as what our life will become.
Any snippets of these cowards running away and hiding will be excellent campaign footage
Pop that DC bubble and force them to live in our world while we set-up primary challengers.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Maybe there are some college kids that are in journalism school that have the time.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)And a good sign would name their corporate donors and anti worker votes.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)And I, stupidly, had hope.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Rick ("It's just a prayer" Warren was the first indication of the way Obama planned to administrate. That was a big Mene Tekel moment and a lot of us didn't want to see it for what it was.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)joshcryer
(62,287 posts)Not worth it...
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Doubling and tripling down. So much for those excuses.
But, thanks for the reminder.
onecaliberal
(33,012 posts)What the fuck could possibly go wrong?
marym625
(17,997 posts)Bernie will win the nomination, then the general. We'll have an abundance of candidates after that who won't take corporate donations.
And then we can start fixing everything that the corporatists fucked up