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TPA Senate cloture vote passes (Original Post) marym625 Jun 2015 OP
Oh bloody hell. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #1
No, it's a setback. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #2
TPA guarantees an up or down vote, 50+1 threshold for passage of TPP tritsofme Jun 2015 #4
Forgot that one. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #9
I believe this was also fredamae Jun 2015 #21
Actually, if agreement does not meet criteria in TPA, Congress could withdraw fast-track authority. Hoyt Jun 2015 #38
Thank you fredamae Jun 2015 #40
And that IS the point of it, as the corporate criminals laugh at us today! cascadiance Jun 2015 #54
LOL. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #42
More phone calls, letters, emails, ect. with no guarantees that we'll be heard. sigh. nt nc4bo Jun 2015 #6
The people have overwhelmingly expressed their opposition to this abomination. sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #12
Yeah marym625 Jun 2015 #11
Face it, they're gonna do this thing one way or the other. Not one thing we can do about it. nc4bo Jun 2015 #3
Not sure what you mean marym625 Jun 2015 #7
We can all protest til the cows come home.... nc4bo Jun 2015 #10
Can't think of any time recently marym625 Jun 2015 #13
I am too marym. nt nc4bo Jun 2015 #14
The best protest will be to kick all of them out, and not to vote for anyone who did not stand up sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #15
+1gazillion! marym625 Jun 2015 #18
Totally agree. Anyone got the traitors names? jwirr Jun 2015 #23
reply 16 has a link marym625 Jun 2015 #25
Of course. HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #5
Yeah marym625 Jun 2015 #8
Find out who the 'RATS are fredamae Jun 2015 #16
Great marym625 Jun 2015 #19
Here are the 13 Dem "It's" fredamae Jun 2015 #44
Thank you! Are you going to do an OP? marym625 Jun 2015 #46
Time to contribute to primary opponents. HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #48
Rat bastards BuelahWitch Jun 2015 #53
+1000 marym625 Jun 2015 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author jwirr Jun 2015 #45
Great accomplishment for President Obama! tritsofme Jun 2015 #17
I disagree. marym625 Jun 2015 #20
Yes... And What A Legacy It Is... Being A Traitor To Labor Unions, And Supporting The 1%... WillyT Jun 2015 #24
...^ that 840high Jun 2015 #27
Amen to that! marym625 Jun 2015 #29
If this was just about one person you would have a point. But it is about the millions of workers, sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #22
yep marym625 Jun 2015 #26
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #30
and not in a good way marym625 Jun 2015 #32
Oh, she'll be rewarded well by Wall St. HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #49
Obama won't sign until TAA passes. joshcryer Jun 2015 #58
time to face it Robbins Jun 2015 #31
Yes. RiverLover Jun 2015 #34
+1gazillion! marym625 Jun 2015 #35
Also look up your local Democratic Party PCP groups and attend their monthly meeting! cascadiance Jun 2015 #55
A solution aspirant Jun 2015 #33
That's a good idea marym625 Jun 2015 #36
Retirees have the time too aspirant Jun 2015 #39
Especially when they're up for reelection. HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #50
Still don't think he's a used-car salesman? WilliamPitt Jun 2015 #37
Nope. Nor do I think he is going to sell us into slavery or the TPP will be as bad as some assert. Hoyt Jun 2015 #41
You did! marym625 Jun 2015 #43
I guess we should have given up hope earlier Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #47
A very poor one. n/t PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #51
Yep, we got a real lemon! n/t BuelahWitch Jun 2015 #56
Oh man. joshcryer Jun 2015 #57
You must have a sad you got locked out of your other thread. JTFrog Jun 2015 #59
But go ahead and vote for the corporate candidates onecaliberal Jun 2015 #52
nope. won't do it marym625 Jun 2015 #61
 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
2. No, it's a setback.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:38 AM
Jun 2015

The TPP can still be voted down.

It can be killed with 40 votes in the Senate, if and when it is ever finished and presented.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
21. I believe this was also
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:55 AM
Jun 2015

that magic point where we'll be able to review it for 60 days...but NO amendment, veto's, filibusters - NO changes etc action can be taken...this deal is now 100% in POTUS (corporate) control.

As I understand it.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
38. Actually, if agreement does not meet criteria in TPA, Congress could withdraw fast-track authority.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 12:23 PM
Jun 2015

Of course, Congress could vote it down. Congress, could also tell Obama that he needs to get some things changed or they will have no choice to vote it down.

Plus, Obama still has to decide whether whatever final agreement is reached between the parties is good enough for America.

Yep, that's a lot of "coulds," not unlike the rhetoric by those opposed to trade agreements which include a lot of "TPP, COULD sell Americans into slavery," and similar hyperbole.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
40. Thank you
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 12:25 PM
Jun 2015

this whole thing has many...too many, really....moving parts....hard to understand the technicalities....

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
12. The people have overwhelmingly expressed their opposition to this abomination.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:46 AM
Jun 2015

The very fact that there is even a possibility that it will pass, demonstrates beyond a doubt, that the corporate coup is almost complete.

Shame on any of them who vote against the sovereignty of this country, against its people. It will go down in history as an utter betrayal of the people by their pretend Reps.

And it will DEMONSTRATE beyond a doubt why the most important issue in this campaign MUST BE to GET THE POISONOUS MONEY out of our political system.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
3. Face it, they're gonna do this thing one way or the other. Not one thing we can do about it.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:40 AM
Jun 2015

That doesn't call for massive civil disobedience and not even then.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
7. Not sure what you mean
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:44 AM
Jun 2015

It doesn't call for massive disobedience? You don't think we should protest and/do acts of civil disobedience to stop the TPP?

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
10. We can all protest til the cows come home....
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:45 AM
Jun 2015

And we should but when has our Congress listened to us?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
15. The best protest will be to kick all of them out, and not to vote for anyone who did not stand up
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:49 AM
Jun 2015

for the people who trusted them with their votes.

A mass movement to oust every betrayer should be the result of this if it happens.

And to elect ONLY those who stood strongly on the side of the people.

There is no other way to defeat the Corporate powers that have clearly bought our government, than to create a mass movement to destroy their strongest weapon against the people, their MONEY.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
5. Of course.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:42 AM
Jun 2015

The Democratic Party opened the gates and welcomed in the Trojan Horse containing the corporatists. Just like the Koch Bros planned when they funded the DLC (founding members included the Clintons).

Response to fredamae (Reply #16)

tritsofme

(17,444 posts)
17. Great accomplishment for President Obama!
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:53 AM
Jun 2015

Like every other president over the last 40 years, he deserves an up or down vote on the agreements he negotiates.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
24. Yes... And What A Legacy It Is... Being A Traitor To Labor Unions, And Supporting The 1%...
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:59 AM
Jun 2015

And more income inequality... and more middle-class misery...

And remember those "comfortable shoes" ???

I'm so tired of being lied to by politicians.


sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
28. If this was just about one person you would have a point. But it is about the millions of workers,
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 12:03 PM
Jun 2015

over 800 million in the countries that will be affected so adversely if it passes. To state that so many millions of people have no RIGHT to know what is being decided by Corporations on their behalf, is simply stunning to me.

Secrets kept from the people, especially in countries that CLAIM to be democratic in nature, laws written by Corporations, rather than by those who were entrusted with that solemn duty, should and will be condemned and if this abomination passes it will be an attack on the rights of the American people and there will be strong reaction.

Maybe we needed this to finally mobilize the millions who have spoken out against it, and to begin the process so long overdue, of removing the poisonous money from our electoral system.

THIS will be the calling card that has already mobilized millions and if it passes, will no doubt start a political revolution in this country whereby NO corporate funded candidate will feel their seats in Congress are safe. This country's entire labor force which has the money to fight back, has promised this.

Response to marym625 (Original post)

Response to marym625 (Reply #26)

marym625

(17,997 posts)
32. and not in a good way
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 12:13 PM
Jun 2015

Just so very disappointed. The corporate world planned all this very well and we let it happen.

I'm disgusted. I don't understand how any Democrat can be for this. I don't understand how any Democrat doesn't fight the corporatocracy. I don't understand how any Democrat supports a candidate that is part of the corporatocracy.

Just disgusted

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
31. time to face it
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 12:09 PM
Jun 2015

TPP will be passed by corproate dems in white house,house,and senate with republicans.

Democracy is ending and corporate rule is coming.remember TPP will allow corporations to sue governments and go to secret tribunles to overide us laws.

If your upset about this do following

work to get Bernie Sanders the nomination
refuse to support any dems ever again who voted for tpp In house and senate.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
55. Also look up your local Democratic Party PCP groups and attend their monthly meeting!
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 06:08 PM
Jun 2015

Become a member and take it over from within, as the Republican Tea Party people have tried (somewhat successfully in a lot of places) to do as well.

If you do that, you can get people put in charge at higher levels that will FIRE Debbie Wasserman Schultz the way she should be for SCREWING the Democrats with her f'd up strategies compared to Howard Dean, and for voting for this POS in the House too!

Not to mention trying to help close off our debates as well to outside voices as well.

Here in Washington County in Oregon we meet TOMORROW NIGHT here in Beaverton. Show up! We need a new House rep as well as a new Senator to get challenged in primaries here. There are good people in these groups who want more like them to help them get our power back. This can be part of our grass roots revolution.

Howard Dean got put in charge of the DNC by this strategy!

Also call other possible primary challengers if you know of some viable ones now to get in the process before these PCP groups work on slate cards to hand out to voters. If there's a primary election and not someone who's not challenged in a primary, they really can't endorse a candidate without a vote to do so.

I've called DeFazio's office earlier today to get him to challenge Wyden here in the Senate.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
33. A solution
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 12:13 PM
Jun 2015

Let's release some of our volunteers into roving reporters and stick a camera in these turncoats faces every time they crawl out of the shadows.

If they choose to make our lives hell, return that favor,

Walk the halls of Congress and hang around their offices, find out their dining haunts, picket their houses anything that will make their life as miserable as what our life will become.

Any snippets of these cowards running away and hiding will be excellent campaign footage

Pop that DC bubble and force them to live in our world while we set-up primary challengers.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
36. That's a good idea
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 12:18 PM
Jun 2015

Maybe there are some college kids that are in journalism school that have the time.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
50. Especially when they're up for reelection.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 05:44 PM
Jun 2015

And a good sign would name their corporate donors and anti worker votes.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
41. Nope. Nor do I think he is going to sell us into slavery or the TPP will be as bad as some assert.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 12:26 PM
Jun 2015
 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
47. I guess we should have given up hope earlier
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 02:10 PM
Jun 2015

Rick ("It's just a prayer&quot Warren was the first indication of the way Obama planned to administrate. That was a big Mene Tekel moment and a lot of us didn't want to see it for what it was.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
59. You must have a sad you got locked out of your other thread.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 06:19 PM
Jun 2015

Doubling and tripling down. So much for those excuses.

But, thanks for the reminder.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
61. nope. won't do it
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 09:04 PM
Jun 2015

Bernie will win the nomination, then the general. We'll have an abundance of candidates after that who won't take corporate donations.

And then we can start fixing everything that the corporatists fucked up

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