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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsshould "dixie" be next.
That term glorifies the same thing as that stupid flag.
Should we begin a movement to ban that term?
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)pogglethrope
(60 posts)And by that, I mean make it illegal to play "Dixie" publicly -- or to sell recordings of "Dixie" in any medium. Probably would be asking to much to ask for the destruction of all recordings previously made, but it wouldn't bother me if that were done. Not in the least.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)...that's a terrible idea. Erasing history does nobody any good.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(116,003 posts)Notably, the First Amendment? You ban somebody's speech today; tomorrow someone else will ban yours.
GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)The good speech will stay free, no worries
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Lurker Deluxe
(1,039 posts)It's a response to posters calling for the removal, destruction, and burning of anything that relates to the Confederate side of the civil war.
Pooka Fey
(3,496 posts)nor is it "Of Corse"
No hard feelings, eh?
Lurker Deluxe
(1,039 posts)I punished myself for such an horrendous grammer mistake .. with another cold beer.
That will taught me.
pogglethrope
(60 posts)I call my slip-ups ytpos, making them features -- which is what we used to do sometimes with bugs that made it into released software.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)oneshooter
(8,614 posts)How truly progressive you are.
You must be so proud.
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Maedhros
(10,007 posts)It would be like banning the term "Midwest."
Lurker Deluxe
(1,039 posts)Dixie" is usually defined as the elevenSouthern states that seceded in late 1860 and early 1861 to form the new confederation
From wiki.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Call me a crazy liberal.
Igel
(35,390 posts)What it originally meant is a bit of a mystery.
I mean, in the first place the song has all the straightforwardness as "Yankee Doodle." Both were written to be sarcastic, "Yankee Doodle" to take an insult and say that the insult is ignored, "Dixie" to apparently mock the wonders and comforts of slavery.
Perhaps " Mason-)Dixon" was the origin, perhaps something else. "Arguably" also means "arguably not".
kentauros
(29,414 posts)1859, first attested in the song of that name, which was popularized, if not written, by Ohio-born U.S. minstrel musician and songwriter Dan Emmett (1815-1904); perhaps a reference to the Mason-Dixon Line, but there are other well-publicized theories dating back to the Civil War. Popularized nationwide in minstrel shows. Dixieland style of jazz developed in New Orleans c. 1910, so called from 1919.
I'd hate to see it and anything related to that word banned, because I like Dixieland jazz
npk
(3,660 posts)To me Dixie just always stood for the south. Not a confederate term just a geographical term.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)In the 1860's french banks in New Orleans had the word 'Dix' on the 10.00 bill. (Dix is french for ten). They were called Dixies, and Louisiana was reffered to as Dixieland. The term spread to cover all the states in the confederate, and the boarders of what is considered dixie have shifted a bit in modern times as well.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Outlaw Dixie cups and anything else with the word?
No one is waving around the term "dixie".
snooper2
(30,151 posts)people fall for it too easily LOL
The Velveteen Ocelot
(116,003 posts)"Banning" is the act of a totalitarian state. The Confederate flag hasn't been "banned," either; it is being taken down from a state building voluntarily, although under a lot of public pressure. Private individuals are still free to display the damn thing, just as the First Amendment allows. "Dixie" is simply a word for the original states of the Confederacy. Arguably the song "I Wish I Was In Dixie Land" has connotations similar to those of the flag, but people are still free to sing it - though one would hope not at any government-sponsored events. Banning something, apart from the totalitarian implications, usually means it eventually pops up in even nastier forms.
RobinA
(9,909 posts)Historically, prohibitions have been shown to be the best way to solve a problem!
ALBliberal
(2,362 posts)Glassunion
(10,201 posts)If that was even possible, how exactly would it be enforced?
DrDan
(20,411 posts)cornbread, grits, biscuits, "the south" . . .
Lets make a list, prioritize it, and get rid of it all
then there's that pesky 1A - begone!
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Pooka Fey
(3,496 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)would be to everyone's greater good to do away with it!
kiva
(4,373 posts)don't forget sweet tea.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)can you just imagine all the evil that was plotted over a glass of sweet tea . . .
Facility Inspector
(615 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)Actually, I am a big lover of grits. We were at the NOLA Jazz Festival a few years back and went to a cooking demo from a chef from Arkansas that demoed rice grits. Been making them ever since. Grind them myself.
I know - sacrilege
Ilsa
(61,717 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)you know, iced tea with SUGAR in it.
Doctor Who
(147 posts)csziggy
(34,140 posts)But don't ban my hog jowls and hoppin' john - gotta have them on New Year's Day for luck and prosperity.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)And if you mess with my chicken fried steak, it is ON!
DrDan
(20,411 posts)DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)trackfan
(3,650 posts)out of my cold dead hands!
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)When I was a kid we went to North Carolina to stay at a cabin on Fontana Lake. We stopped at a restaurant for breakfast and I was served grits and hush puppies. I had never seen them before. And the waitress kept saying Y'all. I thought we had ended up in back wards ville. Being from the North this all looked and sounded ridiculous. Then as we went up tho the counter to pay there were novelty license plates for sell. One said "eat mo possum", that was it. I could no longer hold back and started laughing my ass off reading the saying to my dad. A local looked at me and said "if you haven't tried it don't knock it."
DrDan
(20,411 posts)my children still kid me about the expression I had when traveling in China, about to dig into a bowl of soup, the chicken feet popped up.
Food preferences can certainly have a regional bias.
RobinA
(9,909 posts)cornbread and biscuits when they pry them out of my cold dead hands, and I'm not even from the south.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)A state government, recognizing the context of a thing and refusing to celebrate it (which is much different than recognizing it) is not a ban.
And, as the confederate flag is not banned either, one may yet purchase one, display it on one's porch and whistle Dixie all the live long day...
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)lpbk2713
(42,775 posts)At what point does this become ridiculous?
Should a man named Richard Carter be taken off to Gitmo?
... Dick C ...
still_one
(92,526 posts)supposed to serve all the people is where they are talking about removing it
The argument and premise are false
lpbk2713
(42,775 posts)Welcome to another day in DU/GD.
sub.theory
(652 posts)Confederate flags and other emblems of the Confederacy have absolutely no place in American government. Period.
I'm not sure how comfortable I feel about banning private citizens from this, though. I think we may be starting a slippery slope here. I realize plenty of people find the confederate flag offensive. I do too. But isn't that the point of free speech?
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)chickenshit chickenhawk go on night after night in 2003 or whenever it was DEMANDING a war with Iraq, simultaneously INSISTING my step-son fight in it but no way in hell he, Sean Hannity, is willing to fight in it.
I was on the fence until all that happened, then it was clear to me there is no fucking way he is a millionaire and there is a god.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)still_one
(92,526 posts)remove it from governmental offices which are supposed to serve all the public
JI7
(89,289 posts)mindem
(1,580 posts)Staph
(6,257 posts)He had it played at political rallies and at the announcement of the surrender at Appomattox Courthouse. If Lincoln liked the song, during the Civil War, then I think it's good enough for me.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)it is a bit like fascism I think. It is a slippery slope to another period of dark ages.
Lurker Deluxe
(1,039 posts)"Destroy every Confederate flag that isn't in a museum of some sort. In addition, the public display of a Confederate flag anywhere in the United States should be made illegal."
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)If you take as serious every knee-jerk, emotional response you come across on a message board, you're going to be responding to a lot of benign chaff.
Sometimes, not very often but sometimes, we simply vent against those things which frustrate us in much the same way I, as an unapologetic opponent of the death penalty, can often be heard telling a friend or two, "eat scrotum and die." Honestly, I wouldn't want them to either ingest body parts nor pass away, and should they take it seriously, I'd laugh... much as I'm to begin giggling know.
Lurker Deluxe
(1,039 posts)I happen to be the only one at the local watering hole this afternoon and I was just having some fun.
I really don't take a whole lot on a message board seriously, but they haven't told me if they are going to take Brady's balls.
So ...
Iggo
(47,597 posts)Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)Camptown Races?
bluedigger
(17,091 posts)The real Camptown is just north of town.
prayin4rain
(2,065 posts)Honest mistake, I'm sure.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)There's a reasonable claim that states (which represent African Americans) should not fly a symbol of racism, slavery, and segregation on public grounds. That there might also be businesses that realize how horrible it is to sell such racist shit is a secondary question. None of this is a "movement to ban." Assholes are perfectly free to fly, make, copulate with, and generally slather their racist saliva all over traitor flags if they so choose. The state shouldn't endorse it, though. Because it is racist and disgusting.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)dubbing that stupid flag the Dixie Swastika!
kentuck
(111,111 posts)while we are on a roll...
Lurker Deluxe
(1,039 posts)Skinard certainly has that flag displayed on a cover ... so, yea.
Ban it.
GusBob
(7,286 posts).....
Throd
(7,208 posts)madinmaryland
(64,934 posts)I actually work just a block or so off of south Dixie highway in southwestern Ohio.
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seveneyes
(4,631 posts)madville
(7,413 posts)And the General Lee Dodge Charger while you're at it.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Lurker Deluxe
(1,039 posts)Nobel_Twaddle_III
(323 posts)tymorial
(3,433 posts)X_Digger
(18,585 posts)Laughing at, pointing fingers at, demanding legislators take another position.
None of which bans shit.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)The Confederate battle flag symbolizes racism and slavery in the minds of most people who see it (even a big damn percentage of those who make excuses for it). The term "Dixie" does not have nearly that near-universal negative connotation. For the majority, it's an innocuous regional designator.
Prism
(5,815 posts)I've read about it in books, Lincoln biographies, etc. I know of its importance to the South, especially during the Civil War. But I never listened to it before I read this post.
I don't recognize it in the slightest.
Do most Americans and I just somehow dropped through a hole in collective culture?
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)rdking647
(5,113 posts)the union version
kentuck
(111,111 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)liberal N proud
(60,352 posts)The difference is that the flag is used to fuel a sentiment of hate and oppression. Groups use the confederate flag to fuel the idea that the south will rise again and whites will reign supreme again. The blood spilled on the confederate flag is not blood of valor but that of treason and many still use it in defiance of the federal government and the United States.
Dixie does not have that same taint, it simply defines the region of southern states.
The flag should be banished from existence outside of a museum, a word should never be banished. Some words should never be used again but Dixie isn't one of them.
Duppers
(28,134 posts)The term designates locale, not a longing to return to a white supremacy era.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)That place is a virtual cesspool of American history.
quickesst
(6,283 posts)then y'all can start on the next logical step... Genocide! Hey, if people want to remove anything that reminds them of the South, and its role in the civil war, this is the only logical step, because try as we might, it seems we just can't seem to convince many people that we are not all Dylan Roof. Sure, a few speak up and agree that the broad blanket is tossed around too freely, but sure as hell, as soon as the dust settles, there's always someone ready to bring out a brand new one. We're not going to beg you for acceptance, nor are we going to capitulate to the self-righteous. We are however, going to do everything we can to turn the South blue with or without your approval. I am NOT targeting the OP simply because I would wear my fingers out copying and pasting to everyone who deserves this reply, and I really don't give a flying fuck what you think about me personally. Have a nice day.