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Far-Right Pundits Call for Taking Down LGBT Pride FlagPerhaps we should have seen it coming in the wake of calls for Southern states to stop flying the Confederate battle flag after the mass killing at an African-American church in South Carolina, some right-wingers are urging an end to displays of the LGBT pride flag, which they claim symbolizes bigotry toward Christians.
Never mind that many Christians are accepting of LGBT people or are LGBT themselves, or that no one will be convinced by the far rights rhetoric regarding the flag these commentators are taking advantage of the moment to spew their homophobic hatred.
On his Focal Point radio show today, Bryan Fischer shared what Right Wing Watch sarcastically called his typically well-reasoned and insightful thoughts on the matter.
If we are going to remove symbols of oppression from our culture, he said, if we come to the point where we say any flag that represents bigotry, any flag that represents hatred, any flag that represents slavery or oppression needs to be removed, then I want to suggest to you that the next flag to go ought to be the rainbow flag of the Gay Reich.
The gay lobby has a flag just like the Nazis had their flag, Fischer added, and it represents slavery and oppression and bigotry and prejudice and bias.
http://www.advocate.com/politics/2015/06/23/watch-far-right-pundits-call-taking-down-lgbt-pride-flag
boston bean
(36,228 posts)Idiotic creep racists.
William769
(55,151 posts)pnwmom
(109,028 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,776 posts)JustAnotherGen
(32,062 posts)These people - are hateful.
This black woman - stands with you William.
William769
(55,151 posts)Warpy
(111,480 posts)You've just got to love these right wing "Christians" who whine about being persecuted whenever they're reminded that the rest of us live here, too, and we all have the same rights under the law as they do. They're just so mind numbingly stupid and lack so much insight and sense of irony that they're hilarious.
This glow-in-the-dark-white old atheist stands with you, too.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Ridiculousness...
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)You are invited to join with me.
Volaris
(10,281 posts)They see how we do it (as in, when we decide to push and MEAN IT, it generally gets the attention it deserves from the general population) because we're not idiots over on this side. They see it working ( unlike their contrived little astroturf nonsense) and so they emulate the framework of the argument and try apply it to their own ends. They see us succeeding at hammering round pegs into round holes, and think it will work for their square pegs as well.
Yes, their base will buy it because their base is stupid.
The rest of us just laugh at how angry they get when they don't have any pegs left=)
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Volaris
(10,281 posts)They ONLY have astroturf, and have to call it grassroots. They would give their own left nut for a Cruz or a Paul to have what Bernie has at this point, and so if Bernie is the nominee, they will fake the hell out of Populism (legal free weed--for monsanto--bootstraps, and look how we have been oh so repressed by the LIBERALS on Wall Street (so yes of course let's cut YOUR taxes, wink wink)).
Every WORD of it will absolute bullshit, but their idiots will swallow that load like it tastes like fucking raspberry sauce.
mark my words they will...
GoneOffShore
(17,346 posts)There will be public shaming and unfortunately he doesn't give a toss.
sheshe2
(84,101 posts)William769
(55,151 posts)So we can throw it in their damn faces! Then we'll move on to the next battle.
People like you help take the sting out of this crap a little easier.
sheshe2
(84,101 posts)You are right about this, it is crap. They are terrorized and lashing out, 'cause you know what, they are a dying breed. I thank Gawd for that.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,787 posts)They don't understand the concept of cause and effect.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Whaaa?
Wadda bunch of whiners, already.
Quackers
(2,256 posts)misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Only ones left in their camp will be the KKK & the NRA.
BFF's Forever.
Skittles
(153,321 posts)YES INDEED
TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)They're wasting precious oxygen with that losing idea.
They're always whining about something. They have nothing else.
William769
(55,151 posts)Ay some point, you just have to say enough is enough.
niyad
(114,003 posts)herding cats
(19,569 posts)I'm not even surprised by it.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Bryan Fischer is an asswipe who represents, well, asswipes.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)dumbfounded this guy finds any equivalency...
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Being logical.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Just think, rainbow colors all over the US.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,128 posts)Spazito
(50,649 posts)Disgusted but not surprised. A racist homophobe.
Takket
(21,729 posts)did anyone ask this scumbag which GOVERNMENT institution is flying the rainbow flag??????????
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...You know, like West Hollywood. But even so, I think we should hold off on the comparison of rainbow flags to confederate flags until and unless such a city separates from the U.S. to be their own country, and asserts that the rainbow flag represents a new nation devoted to taking away certain people's right and freedoms while exploiting them for financial gain.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)progressoid
(50,030 posts)AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)still_one
(92,551 posts)LuvNewcastle
(16,869 posts)with me when I go burn a cross in a Christian's yard. I also like to display it so that I can show the world that I believe in gay supremacy.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)dah fawk, was there a time when gay people owned straight people and sold them into slavery separating them from their children, beating them when they slowed down work, not treating them for illness when they were sick, not setting bones that were broken, starving them at times or even most the time, working them literally to death, raping the women even if they were married to someone else and forcing them to have children who they would see mistreated? When was this time. Oh, then to top things off forcing them to fight in their armies to keep their people oppressed. Then flying the flag of oppression over the government buildings that are supposed to serve the needs of all citizens.
Martin Eden
(12,888 posts)If he's being paid to host a show, the number must not be insubstantial.
Absolutely boggles the mind how anyone can be so stupid as to swallow such nonsense.
The symbol for LGBT folks insisting they should be allowed to love each other without being discriminated against is somehow analogous to the symbol for waging war to keep a race of people enslaved?
In essence, by asserting a gay pride flag oppresses Christians Bryan Fischer is asserting that Christians are ignorant bigots.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)on it? I can't think of any.
Those people are the hatemongers.
Initech
(100,155 posts)Coventina
(27,227 posts)Initech
(100,155 posts)But still it is a good one!
shenmue
(38,506 posts)pogglethrope
(60 posts)I have absolutely no use for Christians and their holier-than-thou Bible-based self-righteousness. Who's more intolerant as a class than Christians, especially fundamentalists? While I'm not exactly a bigot (definition: a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own), I certainly don't care for the opinions of many of those who claim to be Christians.
Do many of those who post here seem to be Christians? Or any other religion?
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)pogglethrope
(60 posts)What day of the week does your denomination hold church services?
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)That's the beauty of the FSM, there is no requirement to go to church, to pray, nor is there original sin, Hell, or the Devil. Plus you can do all the drugs you want!
pogglethrope
(60 posts)graegoyle
(532 posts)And the Flying Spaghetti Monster, are a spoof of religion, in general. That poster is, most likely, on your side. As am I.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Plus - you didn't use the sarcasm "thingy".
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Non-biblical based self-righteousness is however, a most noble and wonderful thing...
No doubt, those whose self-righteousness is predicated on the secular often fail to see it in themselves too-- which leads me to believe any relevant distinction between the two is alleged at best, more probably fictional.
However, as we do feel compelled to point, blame and pretend an objective sum exists rather than finding solutions, it's most likely merely a moot point rationalized away.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts).
silverweb
(16,402 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Any ex-confederate state can fly a flag to symbolize and remind people of their history and how they got where they are. All 13 states that seceded have their own flag.
NONE of them is the rectangular St Andrews Cross thing most people think of as "the confederate flag" I believe a TN regiment used it.... but otherwise it was invented (from the battle flag, which has several forms..... none of which are that "confederate flag" thing) by the KKK.
Indeed.... if confederate states flew correct flags, someone might actually learn something useful about the very important time in our history.
But they don't.
The rainbow flag has no history or symbolism remotely similar. Nor does...oh.... the Eco flag
Shall we take them down (if you can find one!) because they insult big oil companies????
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Actually, I'd dearly love to have an eco flag - and always do my best to insult fossil fuel companies.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)only actual symbol of political community around to make use of. Goes back to June 1978, the first two hand made by a couple of dozen volunteers for a Pride Parade, three months later Harvey Milk was killed and the banner took hold in the community.
Cha
(298,139 posts)William
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Only if I were paying more attention, I might have. But, I am not terribly concerned these day for the right wing's fake outrage over the presumed persecution of groups not being persecuted.
Or is it groups who think they're being persecuted because it is no longer fashionable to persecute somebody they'd like to persecute.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)I'm glad I'm not one. A fuckwad, I mean. Man, it must suck to be a stupid, hate-bloated fuckwad.
Obviously it doesn't hurt, since that would cause the sufferer to seek help, but.... it must be so...ugly in there.
Yecch.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)calimary
(81,612 posts)Well, then YOU have to give up THIS.
SHEESH. What is this, the battle of the three-year-olds????? This is pre-school shit. HE started it! No SHE did! I can't have this? Well, then YOU can't have THAT! What a bunch of infants.
They really should be ashamed of themselves. But they won't be.
csziggy
(34,141 posts)I'm tired of playing with them (the idiots, not their balls - never wanted to play with their balls).
calimary
(81,612 posts)Like the infants they are.
barbtries
(28,824 posts)almost pathetic but no...contemptible. these are contemptible people.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Logical pulpit parkour punditry.
Are fundies so seeped in their dogma of wrongfully oppressed moral supermen, that they say the most insane, hurtful, and vile projection they can in hopes of getting a violent response form anybody, in order to prove their oppression?
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)"If we have to take down one of our flags you have to take down one of yours!!! It's not fair!!!! WAAAAAAAHH!!!!"
WheelWalker
(8,960 posts)Gregorian
(23,867 posts)hollysmom
(5,946 posts)we did not have sesame street and never learned what 3 things are the same and which one is different.
I find that conservatives are woefully unable to see what is comparable,like the guy on TV today who said that Hillary is like Nixon because of scandals, yes hers a little ones - but her husband had affairs? Pat Nixon had affairs? the comparisons are just crazy.
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)You're good at that! Do it!
Behind the Aegis
(54,074 posts)Yet one more reminder for us not to get too comfortable.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)There are some sick sick people in our country.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)What really sucks even more is that these people have children that are being taught this hate. A new generation. Progress is being made and many of their children will grow up with more common sense than their parents. Some will hold onto and embrace the hate.
William, I have nothing but hugs for you and complete disdain for these cold and callous people. I'm sorry I had to read this today. I'm sorry you had to read this today. I'm sorry we all had to read this today. I'm just tired of the hate. It really makes no sense at all. From a religious or societal standpoint.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
It symbolizes a VICTORY over the bigotry OF Christians.
Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)forcing lawmakers to submit to makeovers...Mien Fabulous Kampf....
ismnotwasm
(42,030 posts)The have brain melt from mental contortions.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)because change is hard on closed minds.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)I totally believe it We have a rather large and noisy segment of Christianity in America whose prejudices and hatred have overwhelmed whatever capability for rational thought these people had to begin with.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)attack another man because they don't like the fact that he is Christian so they drag him behind their pick up truck to his death-- THEN they will maybe begin to have the slightest bit of a leg to stand on.
Stupid fucking conservative hate mongers.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)I guess the notion of irony is completely lost on someone who would compare gay people to Nazis.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)He'd take an atomic doodie at the sight...
Prism
(5,815 posts)Strangely, I believe this.
A headline reading, "Brian Fischer uses logic, displays kindness" would be met with immediate skepticism, however.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)lark
(23,206 posts)They show such arrogant, narcissitic, stupidity. People don't fly LGBT or rainbow flags to "diss" anyone or anything, they fly them in support of their own beliefs. Guys and guys and women and women aren't getting married to spite the teahadist, they are in love and want to officially join together. It's like that blather that gay marriage will lead to fewer straight marriages, as if! There might be a few fake marriages that don't happen, but that's probably a good thing. My son marrying his partner of 8 years certainly doesn't diminish my 34 year marriage with my husband.
Panich52
(5,829 posts)Because a symbol of denial of rights & equality is being villified, of course one that's stands for rights and equality should also be eliminated.
We've come to expect 'anti-logic' of that sort from the likes of fake-fired-from-hate-group Fischer. I suspect he's quite welcome at Westboro's bigot fests, too.
TlalocW
(15,394 posts)We don't put the Mexican, Spanish, French, English, etc. flag up. The Confederacy was essentially another country that USA beat so while citizens can display whatever flag they want to, the government shouldn't... Especially since it was put up in 1962 as a symbol of resistance to desegregation/civil rights.
We never fought the non-existent nation of, "Gaylandia," so the rainbow flag point makes no sense.
TlalocW
FreedomRain
(413 posts)nt
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)One flag is flown by people who want the right to be hateful bigots, and the other is flown by people who want the same rights the rest of us enjoy.
LeftishBrit
(41,219 posts)Zambero
(8,982 posts)The two messages conveyed are direct opposites of one another. This is one of the worst attempts ever at false equivalency.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Wtf?
B Calm
(28,762 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)and going up to them and point where Jesus is against gays.? If they can't they have no grounds
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)47of74
(18,470 posts)Just fucking ugh. I wish Fisher would go away.
Jeb Bartlet
(141 posts)coming from typically stupid right wing idiots. Yes lets equate a flag that represents equal treatment of lgbt persons with the Nazi flag because you are butt hurt that your racist confederate flag purposely flown to unit the southern racist slave states flag is finally being shown for what it is. We should be hunting down these racist right wing terrorists and locking them up.
riversedge
(70,481 posts)HoosierCowboy
(561 posts)the Rainbow Flag isn't officially sanctioned. The Stars and Bars are...
edhopper
(33,669 posts)and posters here who say because there are monument to Columbus or US Grant the ones to Lee or Davis should not be questioned.
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)Jesus, having out with a group of mostly men preaching and teaching tolerance and love would view seeking the same as.... bad?
SCantiGOP
(13,879 posts)Every time some bigoted jackass makes a statement like this it turns more people into voters, and into liberal voters. The only people who agree with bullshit like this are going to vote against us till they die anyway.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)King_Klonopin
(1,307 posts)Those churches have not renounced God or religion, as far as I can tell.
The rainbow flag is not the symbol of an antichrist. It's not intended to be
anti-church, anti-religion, or "anti" anything. Only a right-winger frames his
belief system in terms of the things and the people which he is against.
The flags that I see are at churches in Massachusetts, so it's not such a bold
move here. I believe they are an Episcopal and a Unitarian church.
Many hate-filled assholes claim to be religious or Christian. That does not make
ALL believers of God, no matter their denomination, people to be loathed or brow-
beaten into submission. Having faith in a God is not the problem; evil people who
twist that faith and pervert it for their own personal gain (antichrists) are the
problem. Bryan seems like a perfect example.
I really really wish I never heard of Bryan Fischer.