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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums100% right. This is exactly what happened.
They never heard a word we said, they ignored the calls and emails.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)And THAT is why I support him.
And THAT is why it is a lie when people say that he and Hillary are virtually the same on the issues.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)PatrickforO
(14,608 posts)Bernie is a populist and means to force the issues by talking about them. As George Orwell said, in a society of lies, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
This is why I'm supporting Bernie.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Yes.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Knowing the latter, I had incorrectly assumed that Orwell was more conservative than that. My bad.
Eric Arthur Blair (25 June 1903 21 January 1950),[1] who used the pen name George Orwell, was an English novelist, essayist, journalist and critic. His work is marked by lucid prose, awareness of social injustice, opposition to totalitarianism, and commitment to democratic socialism.[2][3]
Orwell wrote literary criticism, poetry, fiction, and polemical journalism. He is perhaps best known for his dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four (1949) and the allegorical novella Animal Farm (1945). His non-fiction works, including The Road to Wigan Pier (1937), documenting his experience of working class life in the north of England, and Homage to Catalonia (1938), an account of his experiences in the Spanish Civil War, are widely acclaimed, as are his essays on politics, literature, language, and culture. In 2008, The Times ranked him second on a list of "The 50 greatest British writers since 1945".[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Orwell
kacekwl
(7,028 posts)Bernie can't do it alone. We need to step up and do what we can to talk him up to everyone we know. We need to keep calling whoever and make our feelings known even if you think it won't help. If we work together and let all know we can't and won't stand for business as usual.
Dustlawyer
(10,499 posts)We also need to start recruiting people to run that are from the un-bought that will stay that way to run for public office!
It seems that most (but not all) Hillary supporters would back Bernie but for their fear he cannot get elected. If you keep that attitude, you will never throw off the yoke of Wall Street and the Plutocrats. Besides, un-bought politicians are extremely rare these days!
nationalize the fed
(2,169 posts)Enabling companies to move $30/hour jobs to countries with $.60/hour wages so a few billionaires can pocket the difference is not trade.
Sir James Goldsmith in 1994
The US needed Goldsmith and got Clinton and D'Andrea-Tyson and now the TPP joins NAFTA as a proud Democratic Accomplishment. And the TPA is good for 6 years! Imagine what the next president will do with this awesome power.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I wasn't paying as much attention to trade stuff back then. I came home from teaching with hours of work ahead, just tired..
I am really paying attention now.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)And here we are yet again.
Amazing.
Thanks for posting!
dgauss
(885 posts)And yeah, Charlie Rose is pretentious and clueless, as usual.
People should watch this, the whole thing is worthwhile. Thanks for posting it.
nilesobek
(1,423 posts)I managed to organize a 5 guy no show on Monday.
Cher
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Her staffer didn't even pretend that she would follow the wishes of the majority of her constituents. She works for corporations, not for her constituents, and it couldn't be any more clear.
onecaliberal
(33,016 posts)She's a corporate whore, and a war profiteer. The sad thing is, we won't be able to get her out and now that Boxer is retiring, I fear we will end up with another corporate Dem.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)to beat her Republican opponent, so I haven't given it to her. Nadin made some comment about the party not allowing us to primary incumbents, know anything about that? That would suck.
I've heard Kamala Harris is being positioned for Boxer's seat, is she any good or not? She was a DA and I usually don't like law enforcement types, need to find out more about her. I see a lot of support for her on DU but then I see a lot of support for corporate Dems I don't like, so withholding judgement till I know more.
Very discouraging if we can't remove Feinstein. I've never met anyone who thinks she actually represents their interests.
onecaliberal
(33,016 posts)So far I'm not a fan.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)California deserves good Senators! It's a huge state and its Senate races attract a lot of money, so that's certainly part of the problem.
onecaliberal
(33,016 posts)Once they're in and entrenched in the money.
catchnrelease
(1,946 posts)She flat out admitted that she did not follow what over 10,000 of her constituents asked her to do, when she voted for the AUMF in Iraq. She said that if she had listened to those who contacted her she would have voted no, but that she had 'inside' information so she knew going to war was necessary. I'm sure the fact that her husband is (was?) a contractor for the military had nothing to do with her vote and her inside info.
I have never forgiven her for that vote and have always voted for any primary challenger that has come up since then. Can't wait until she's gone. Wish Boxer was staying.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)it would be nice if we knew what was in the TPP.
Seems that none of the trade agreements we've entered into has been good for us. I held out for as long as I could hoping that by supporting this the president was hoping to kill it but I now don't see that that way. Come on Mr President talk to us and take a page out of Bernie Sanders book and use language that we can all understand, please
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)But no changes can be made to the TPP or the TTIP with TPA in force. That's what TPA fast track does, and why its needed for bad trade deals written by corporations.
TPA shatters illusions the people have a say & will have representation in our govt.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)They haven't heard a word we've said. They have not listened to any of our concerns.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)part must be a real good deal.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Who asked for what and didn't get it, etc.
It still sucks.
lark
(23,206 posts)that was hidden for 4 years.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)That was my understanding of it - granted, the TPP is so shrouded in secrecy, getting enough information is nearly impossible, which should scare the shit out of anyone that is a citizen of the countries that it covers.
lark
(23,206 posts)It's just so depressing to me that Obama and the Dems stood up with the Repugs and the 1% today to increase the price of medicines, move more US jobs overseas, and gut our labor and environmental rules, including gutting local rules re above.
Can anyone who's not in thrall of the 1% ever win president?
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)lark
(23,206 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)gotten some bones for the rest of us as a compromise. But the way he went about it the first thing to go was one of those bones, given to the reactionary branch of the Republicans for their votes.
Our Negotiator in Chief some call him. Seems it's pretty easy to negotiate for what you want when the opposition wants the same thing.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)and it's not us. The big question: Will America continue to elect people who listen to corporate money rather than voters?
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)MindPilot
(12,693 posts)Anyone who thinks a vote matters is clinging to a delusion. And talking to your "representative" is slightly less effective than talking to God.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)Tired of being ignored.
Tired of the 'bought and paid for' representatives not giving a crap about the American worker.
Will we have to listen to more crap about how we have to get 'more competitive'? About how Americans are 'overpaid'?
think
(11,641 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)rbnyc
(17,045 posts)...I wish we would remember that more than just jobs are at stake.
This is bad for workers. But this is also and for the environment, for net neutrality, for public health, and for democracy.
It's devastating for jobs, but when we make it sound like that's the sole issue, it's like saying that we are okay with the TPP as long as we get our cut.
I know that neither Bernie nor the majority of trade activists believe that, but we need to be careful with our message.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Reps, sorry THEIR Reps, it is a Corporate Coup that has been almost completed.
We have no voice, they do not care what the people think anymore, they don't have to. That SHOWS how much power they have gained while we were conned into 'voting for the lesser evil to stop the 'more evil'.
rbnyc
(17,045 posts)And people are trying to convince us to do the same thing again!!!
florida08
(4,106 posts)florida08
(4,106 posts)jalan48
(13,921 posts)I would guess that their kids and grandkids can be as well. It's a powerful incentive to vote the right way on key issues. By 'right' I don't mean what's good for most Americans.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Marblehead
(1,268 posts)is now amerikan royalty..
Baitball Blogger
(46,787 posts)pressured to do this. At least, when Clinton signed NAFTA, you had the feeling he was doing it to throw a steak at the dogs to keep them off his trail from the investigations that he was under.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)He's not stupid. He'll be well taken care of from now on.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)And every one of these bastards who voted "yes" needs a challenger in their next election to make them explain why, and own that vote
WillyT
(72,631 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)Will he continue to please his Republican friends in Congress and pass more job killing anti-union legislation.
Hell Obama is so damn co-operative with his Republican Congress they might even finf a way to allow him a third term.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)He pretended to be a friend during Campaign 2008 when he promised EFCA, renegotiating NAFTA to protect American jobs, Put on comfortable shoes and walk the line with strikers (and on and on).....
He isn't just pissed at Unions, he's pissed at the entire Progressive Wing of the Democratic Party.
NONE were appointed to cabinet positions or other positions of power in his administration.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Pooka Fey
(3,496 posts)mstinamotorcity2
(1,451 posts)the President said he was for it. Funky ass Republicans have fought him tooth and nail over everything. then all of a sudden they are going to sit silent. Bullshit. Let some more get in there and its going to be worse.
DeeDeeNY
(3,357 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)VT Teachers Union endorsed Bernie today and are now going to start campaigning for him nationally and in NH.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)antigop
(12,778 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,896 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)florida08
(4,106 posts)Because they consider us ignorant and not paying attention. Partly right. Participation in elections is dropping to the point we will lose it. People are waking up but don't know if it's enough or fast enough to stop the march of fascism that is so prevalent.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Alkene
(752 posts)It seems like the only thing that changes is how much worse things are.
Or something like that.
lordsummerisle
(4,651 posts)Bernie just radiates integrity. He has my full support.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)and represent the people.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Oh wait...
rock
(13,218 posts)Go! Bernie. Go!
Jakes Progress
(11,124 posts)is still evil.
I don't know why anyone bothers listening to candidates running for office (and they are always running). They lie. They just lie. Without embarrassment or qualm. Obama said things and then did exactly the opposite. So did bush. As avid as many here were for the daring truth-teller that they saw in candidate Obama, how can anyone trust any candidate again. Bernie sounds good. But Obama sounded good.
I remember reading an interview with John Cusak where the reporter talked about the cynicism of believing that both parties were completely in the hands of the ultra-rich and the corporate interests. His reply was that it was not cynical to live in a reality based world.
I am struck by a quote from a Salon interview with Chris Hedges: http://tinyurl.com/http-SalonEsquith
The scary part is the realization that the coup is over. It is hard to see any other reality than that the corporate world now owns the nation. The few office holders that can't be bought are marginalized, but, as we see with the fevered fight our president just put up to win this for the fat cats, almost all can be or have been bought.
This is not saying that both parties are the same. But they do answer to same bosses. And neither cares what the people want. Picking one over the other is just high school football team rivalry.
I've quit calling myself cynical.