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leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
1. Terrific article
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 05:49 AM
Jun 2015

and I do remember when I used to smile when I saw Prof West as a guest on any show. Now I just roll my eyes.

Cha

(298,139 posts)
2. "West has sacrificed friendships and cut ties with former comrades because he insists that only
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 05:57 AM
Jun 2015
outright denunciation of Obama will do."

With him or against him.. where have I heard words to that effect before?

snip//

"West’s narcissism in this matter is not exemplified by his sense of being jilted but in the way he has personalized his grief. And the longer West has nursed his resentment, the more he has revealed parts of himself that even he may not understand or be able to explain, since political disappointment in a politician’s behavior rarely provokes such torrents of passion, such protracted, dastardly, and sadly, such self-destructive hate. The volatility that West said roils his personal relations may also mar his political ones. Now he lumbers into his future, punch-drunk from too many fights unwisely undertaken, facing a cruel reality: His greatest opponent isn’t Obama, Sharpton, Harris-Perry, or me. It is the ghost of a self that spits at him from his own mirror.

Thank you, BBJ

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
3. Why is this showing back up?
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 06:14 AM
Jun 2015

Aside from being long winded, personal, and very misleading it doesn't make any sense. Not only that, following the feedback he wrote another long one shortly after this one. The issues are too numerous to go line-by-line addressing, the main thing is the narcissism strikes me as projection more than anything but whose decision was it to push forward a very personal public piece. In connection with the MSNBC employees? It seems more of Michael Eric Dyson doing the required things to advance his own career. I've seen him go for hardcore anti-Obama critique, to staunch defender, to hardcore critique, to staunch defender since his MSNBC job and Central Prophet position. I couldn't imagine a very public dispute would do either of them any good and West to his credit took the high road.

This was published not very long ago at all
http://www.amazon.com/Black-Prophetic-Fire-Cornel-West/dp/0807003522

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
5. They can't make Sanders racist.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 06:29 AM
Jun 2015

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So the next best thing is to make his POC allies firebrands like West.

And if the corrupt, corporate mainstream can say West is a narcissist enough time and repeat it again today then it harms Sanders.

Given that Obama is not a progressive liberal by any stretch of the imagination, the narcissist was the man cussing out the friend who was ripping the veil off that carefully constructed persona. If West is one, then both are.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
7. That's the problem
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 07:14 AM
Jun 2015

is all these people speaking for West rather than hearing from West. I love Cornell West because he speaks the truth. Don't know the best way to explain but on foreign policy matters I wish there was more out there. The best chance to change how we do things -- most importantly by stopping arms sales to human rights violators. If Bernie Sanders is listening to him that is a good sign.

The narcissism really seems to be coming from Michael Eric Dyson as who seems more obsessed about status, published works, and who should be considered a prophet -- which I'm not aware where Cornell West has claimed that he is outside of referencing who he considers such as the MLK (who favored Democratic Socialism), Malcolm X, Ida B. Wells, etc. Not to mention the harsh words from Dyson such as Obama is "not Moses. He's pharaoh." To tell the truth I haven't known West to use harsher language when critiquing Obama than Dyson but generally heavy with the religious metaphors. Then the inconsistency which isn't something I see from West.

You're right though and certainly MSNBC has had nothing but Hillary Clinton questions for Bernie Sanders as far back as MTP several months ago -- I'm so glad I quit them months ago but hopefully people choose to look beyond what they're labeling him and hear from West to make their own judgments.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
10. Dyson is a sociologist but throws around the narcissism
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 08:02 AM
Jun 2015

label like he is a psychologist.

I also really like West.

Obama has thrown many a supporter under the bus including West, Wright, and now us with this damned neo-liberal TPP.

I have not watched cable news since the 1990's.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
16. I caught a little bit last summer
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 09:13 AM
Jun 2015

It was ISIS & Ebola with the hyping of fear it was amazing that the midterms completely killed the proposing prison terms for health care workers returning with the disease and support of Christie of all people. I really noticed a difference, stick with VICE, Frontline, sometimes PBS Newshour (one night ABC evening news was asking before the break "where do illegals tax dollars go?" (or something similar) and NBC was doing a hard hitting interview on Dr. OZ while PBS was covering the earthquake in Nepal extensive and Congressman Wyden brilliantly handling the former CIA Counter-Terrorism Director) for my television news. VICE especially has been on fire lately but generally they do the follow-up reporting the major ones neglect.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
6. What's Behind Michael Dyson's Over-the-Top Takedown of Cornel West?
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 06:46 AM
Jun 2015
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/cornell-wests-radical-critique-race-and-us-brutality-middle-east-driver-michael

In the twilight of the Obama era, Dyson has become a political prisoner trapped within the stultifying confines set by the president, his party, and network executives with little patience for dissent. He has linked his reputation to Obama’s legacy to an inextricable degree, prompting him to defend them both against their most relentless critic. Dressed up as a high-minded scholarly critique, his attack on West was ultimately an exercise in self-justification.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
9. I like him
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 07:28 AM
Jun 2015

very much! He's controversial, good for him. He speaks truth to power, we need more of that, not less.

edit to add: he also speaks truth ABOUT power. Somewhere I saw this distinction recently, and it works for me. Speaking truth to power may feel good, but power isn't likely to be listening. Speaking truth to others about power has more potential to bring about change.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
11. The New Republic has sought to trash the reputations of Chris Hedges and Cornel West
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 08:24 AM
Jun 2015

Hedges and West are two of the most thoughtful, eloquent, and effective voices of dissent in this country.

Probably just a coincidence.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
14. They are both heros to me, revolutionary heros.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 08:43 AM
Jun 2015

Because in times of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act according to George Orwell who nailed it long ago.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
17. DU rec...
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 09:18 AM
Jun 2015

West is a clown, with questionable associations.

Here he is speaking to the couple dozen people who showed up for the "Million Muslim March", in Washington on Sep 11 2013.




The Million Muslim March was organized by AMPAC and Kevin Barrett, a noted anti-Semite who runs truthjihad.com, a Conspiracy site that blames pretty much every bad thing that's ever happened, including 9/11, on the Jews.

The ADL thinks Kevin Barrett is a loony anti-Semite:
http://blog.adl.org/tags/kevin-barrett


But Brother West was right there with him, on Sept 11 2013, in Washington.



Sid

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