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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIowa: Hillary: 50% Bernie: 24% O'Malley: 2% in new poll
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-06-25/bernie-sanders-gains-on-hillary-clinton-in-bloomberg-early-state-pollingThe polls suggest substantive and symbolic support for the socialist, as well as a craving among some Democrats for a Clinton rival to rise.
I want to try to get him along as far as I can, said Democratic poll participant John Murphy, 74, a retired railroad worker in West Des Moines, Iowa. Hes going to bring up some issues that she may not want to talk about.
Along the campaign trail, Sanders appears to be changing some minds: His unfavorable rating in Iowa is just 4 percent, down 8 percentage points since May. At the same time, 57 percent now view him positively, up 10 points from the last poll.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)still_one
(92,554 posts)BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)They get nonstop attention from the candidates for six months, and I get virtually nothing.
Not to mention the complete inanity of the caucus process, one that draws minuscule turnout and excludes a large number of people who work shifts, are deployed overseas, or have kids at home. If we used the caucus process for a general election, even this Supreme Court would strike it down as restrictive and unconstitutional.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I can drive 20 minutes and be on the front lines of any campaign.
still_one
(92,554 posts)DavidDvorkin
(19,515 posts)He's my choice, and his failure to catch on so far is depressing.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)If you are a republican.
NOT if you are the anointed, guaranteed, expected one.
If she falls below 50%, she will have to worry more publicly, rather than just privately. Already we are seeing bizarre posts about Bernie, attacks from the side, sniping, and character assassination by certain members here - as if they were on her campaign staff.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Much better to be at 24% looking up at the frontrunner.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)it's not always wise to be the rabbit and trip and fall on the last lap from exhaustion finishing last.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)I don't want anyone to ever think they have the nomination wrapped up until the actual votes start coming in. It seems like a bad sign for the party if no other candidates can close the gap. Low unfavorably ratings also sound like a good sign for voter enthusiasm to me.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Although I think we could do much better than Hillary, she still is far better than any of the Klown Kar Kandidates.
heh, come to think of it, I heard both CNN AND Msnbc refer to them as a Klown Kar.
Marr
(20,317 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)Bernie is by far the best candidate. Only unfamiliarity with him and the truth stands between him and victory.
clarice
(5,504 posts)The repugs would LOVE to run against him. IMHO
Vattel
(9,289 posts)I sincerely doubt that he can win any red states. But I also suspect that he can win in the blue states (especially if the Republican candidate is further right). Can he win any purple states? I really have no idea.
clarice
(5,504 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)It is a populist issue that Bernie supports that Clinton hasn't been actively supporting, and many other Republicans haven't either. There are quite a few other populist issues that Bernie supports that one can't allow the corporatist media to continue to label as 'far left' when they appeal to a majority of Americans and therefore can't be just conveniently pigeonholed as "far left". I personally talked to a Republican the other night who tried to rationalize his rejection of these bills by reaching back to his studying of the John Birch Society and their rejection of other efforts to get rid of our national sovereignty as well. I pushed aside the John Birch Society as something I wasn't going to look at, but I did have a good discussion with him where we shared a lot of views on rejecting what many as Democrats and Republicans reject when it has that weakness and moves away from what our constitutional founders wanted in this country. I wouldn't be surprised if he might vote for Bernie at some point too.
I think people will be surprised how many thinking Republicans and independents will be building up Bernie's base in addition to "left wing" Democrats.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-06-25/bernie-sanders-gains-on-hillary-clinton-in-bloomberg-early-state-polling
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)I wish Bloomberg would publish the questions and cross tabs.
Along the campaign trail, Sanders appears to be changing some minds: His unfavorable rating in Iowa is just 4 percent, down 8 percentage points since May. At the same time, 57 percent now view him positively, up 10 points from the last poll.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)And she gets a higher mark on foreign policy by 84-3! and 72-12% on beating the Rethuglicans, the latter of which is all I really give a hoot about.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)I think she gets points by virtue of having been Secretary of State, as opposed to any accomplishments she actually had as Secretary of State. What were those again?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)She repaired relationships with our allies that was fractured during the Bush years...She began the rapprochement with Iran that is going to result in an agreement to forestall their nuclear weapons program. She made human rights, women's rights and GLBTQ rights a major part of her agenda.
Now that we got that out of the way let's now talk about the six out of every seven Iowa and New Hampshire Democrats who indicated they believe Senator Sanders is a weak general election candidate and the six out of seven Iowa Democrats and the four out of five New Hampshire Democrats who indicate Hillary Clinton will be better at getting things done
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)And yes, one of my pet peeves about most polls is they don't give you enough information about exactly what was asked.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Big jump
Buns_of_Fire
(17,218 posts)Bernie 2016
(90 posts)Bernie continues to rise on each polls... and I think the summer will show that people will start learning about Bernie and discovering the contrast with him and Ms. Clinton.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Within 10 in NH and within 24 in Iowa. No wonder Hillary surrogates were already dismissing Iowa and NH as possible losses. These gains will continue.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,258 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,258 posts)we'll see the Clinton firewall take effect. I wouldn't count on NH. Just a reality check. Remember this?
With 96 percent of the New Hampshire vote tabulated before counters shut down for the night, Clinton had 39 percent, Obama 36 percent and former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina 17 percent. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson trailed with 5 percent and Rep. Dennis Kucinich had 1 percent.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/22551718/ns/politics-decision_08/t/stunner-nh-clinton-defeats-obama/#.VYxMLU1FDcs
morningfog
(18,115 posts)has a tough road ahead to upset the money-name juggernaut that is Hillary Clinton.
I also didn't realize that Iowa was a New England enclave, I'll have to go back to the map.
neverforget
(9,437 posts)Every Democrat knows who Hillary Clinton is and what she has done. Bernie Sanders, the Senator from Vermont, not so much. Once people hear him, they like him.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)"Her support is a mile wide and an inch deep."
"Every Democrat knows who Hillary Clinton is and what she has done."
The logical inference is they know what she's done and like her enough to vote for her.
neverforget
(9,437 posts)It's not mutually exclusive.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)Yes, and the people in IA and NH largely, largely... largely hold favorable opinions of her:
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-06-25/bernie-sanders-gains-on-hillary-clinton-in-bloomberg-early-state-polling
So why should that change as they learn more about other candidates?
neverforget
(9,437 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,258 posts)neverforget
(9,437 posts)There's only 1 First Lady and Secretary of State at a time so it's pretty difficult to get as much publicity being a Congressman and then Senator compared to FLOTUS and SOS.
NYC Liberal
(20,140 posts)LordGlenconner
(1,348 posts)realFedUp
(25,053 posts)He's done. Stick a fork in him.
samsingh
(17,607 posts)but i quess if Bernie keeps growing his support as he has been doing he'll be at 300% in a few months. oh wait.