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derby378

(30,252 posts)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 03:29 PM Jun 2015

Of course the Supreme Court affirmed ACA subsidies - it's a CONSERVATIVE court

At least, that's what gun control advocates on DU tell me.

The point is that Big Insurance wants those obscene profits, and it wants them now - and if subsidies are struck down, that cuts into the industry's bottom line when the policyholders can no longer pay the premiums.

Today's a very good day if you're the CEO of UnitedHealthcare. The rest of us are still waiting for the day when affordable healthcare becomes a human right in America.

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Of course the Supreme Court affirmed ACA subsidies - it's a CONSERVATIVE court (Original Post) derby378 Jun 2015 OP
So why did the four liberal justices and two swing votes oppose Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #1
Money talks? derby378 Jun 2015 #3
Being a gun control advocate, I don't get it.It Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #4
No, you're not taking the same side as Ted Cruz because you know better than geek tragedy Jun 2015 #9
Don't get me wrong... derby378 Jun 2015 #23
A "business-friendly" court, I'd say truebluegreen Jun 2015 #2
Why did Bernie Sanders vote for it then? Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #5
LOL Spazito Jun 2015 #6
This post is so stupid it makes my head hurt. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #7
"people who care about other people..." IT HAS TO GET WORSE BEFORE IT GETS BETTER!!!! alcibiades_mystery Jun 2015 #19
if you don't think today was good day for Health Insurance Companies... ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2015 #8
It was a good day for a lot of people. It would have been a really terrible geek tragedy Jun 2015 #10
i just take exception to the people ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2015 #11
it would have been a huge problem for just about everyone. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #12
i also see it as a death knell for single payer ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2015 #13
Someone pointed out that in Canada it took them 20 years to get single payer. randome Jun 2015 #14
Yes, it took from 1947 until 1984, almost 40 years until extra-billing was banned.. Spazito Jun 2015 #18
Longer than I thought and a painful process. randome Jun 2015 #21
Getting to single payer is even more difficult in the US, imo... Spazito Jun 2015 #22
single payer was never going to be enacted overnight. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #15
Seriously? Arkana Jun 2015 #20
So we should have been rooting for Scalia's side, then? NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #16
A pouty, foot-stompy sorta post alcibiades_mystery Jun 2015 #17

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
4. Being a gun control advocate, I don't get it.It
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 04:21 PM
Jun 2015

The program has improved the lives of millions of middle class and poor Americans. It is not a perfect system by any means, Like Social Security and the Civil Rights Act, it will go through a long period of incremental improvement, at least as long as we don't allow the Neanderthal party to stay in control too long.

I also don't get why Gun Control Advocates are singled out. The anticorporate left are more likely to take excption.

But I for one am glad they upheld it. I have friends and relatives in stats that would have been hammered by the Conservative wet dream of repealing the ACA.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
9. No, you're not taking the same side as Ted Cruz because you know better than
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 04:28 PM
Jun 2015

the rest of us.

Bernie Sanders agrees with this decision. Ted Cruz and the Teabaggers are the ones who are complaining.

If you're suggesting that the only three honest justices are Alito, Thomas and Scalia, you've gone off the deep end.

That's all you really need to know.

derby378

(30,252 posts)
23. Don't get me wrong...
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:13 AM
Jun 2015

I'm glad those who need the subsidies are getting them. This whole process, however, has become a convoluted nightmare for our party.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
2. A "business-friendly" court, I'd say
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 03:36 PM
Jun 2015

although there are (count 'em) 3 whacks whose anti-government ideology even overrides their corporate ass-kissing.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
7. This post is so stupid it makes my head hurt.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 04:27 PM
Jun 2015

Millions of people are keeping their coverage.

That's a good thing for people who care about other people.

Also, note that the only three judges to dissent were the three worst justices of the modern era-Scalia, Alito, and Thomas.

The liberal judges voted to keep the subsidies.

Also, the ruling was the correct legal one.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
19. "people who care about other people..." IT HAS TO GET WORSE BEFORE IT GETS BETTER!!!!
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 04:49 PM
Jun 2015

This is what we learn from "progressives" today. People must suffer first. It's the ONLY WAY!!!

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
10. It was a good day for a lot of people. It would have been a really terrible
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 04:29 PM
Jun 2015

day had it gone the other way.

The sane people are glad this ruling turned out like it did.

ProdigalJunkMail

(12,017 posts)
11. i just take exception to the people
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 04:31 PM
Jun 2015

who would say this is all about the people who get to keep the subsidies. it is good that they do... AND it is very good for the health insurance sector.

sP

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
12. it would have been a huge problem for just about everyone.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 04:32 PM
Jun 2015

this was kind of like avoiding a meteor strike. Everyone benefits from avoiding it, including corporations.

The Terrible Three were willing to vote for a meteor strike. that's the mentality

ProdigalJunkMail

(12,017 posts)
13. i also see it as a death knell for single payer
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 04:34 PM
Jun 2015

or at the very least something that will stretch out the goal of single payer... probably past my lifetime. but i could be wrong...

sP

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
14. Someone pointed out that in Canada it took them 20 years to get single payer.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 04:37 PM
Jun 2015

Give it some time here. Just because something is good for business does not automatically make it bad for everyone not in that business.
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Spazito

(50,645 posts)
18. Yes, it took from 1947 until 1984, almost 40 years until extra-billing was banned..
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 04:49 PM
Jun 2015

Here's a good timeline on how it began to where extra-billing was banned.

http://www.bestlibrary.org/ss11/files/History.pdf

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
21. Longer than I thought and a painful process.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 04:53 PM
Jun 2015

Eventually I think we'll have single payer, especially once more of the whiny Republicans die out.

But as for the OP's contention that healthcare is not now affordable, a lot of people would disagree with that since ACA (well, except for some POSUCS-slingers).

Should it be more affordable? Absolutely.
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Spazito

(50,645 posts)
22. Getting to single payer is even more difficult in the US, imo...
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 05:01 PM
Jun 2015

because, in Canada the federal government has primacy whereas the US has state primacy, very different Constitutions as well as governance structures. The federal government in the US is much more limited as to what it can do than the federal government in Canada.

I do think it will happen but will be more likely to have to be a state by state change as opposed to a federally mandated program.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
15. single payer was never going to be enacted overnight.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 04:41 PM
Jun 2015

that would be just too much systemic shock, with too many unknowns and unpredictability surrounding the outcome

First, it needs to work in a place like Vermont, where it collapsed because there wasn't the political will to say "yeah, taxes will have to go up."

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
20. Seriously?
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 04:50 PM
Jun 2015

You thought that if the ACA had died today that somehow we'd have gotten closer to single-payer?

That's like a little kid strangling his pet cat so maybe Mommy and Daddy will buy him a new dog.

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