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Vattel

(9,289 posts)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:30 PM Jun 2015

"You’re eating the hors d’ oeuvres" is hardly a response

As I watched Jennicet Gutiérrez open her mouth to interrupt President Obama’s Pride Month reception address Wednesday night – because, she said, as an undocumented trans woman she couldn’t celebrate while LGBT detainees are being abused in US detention centers – I thought, That could have been me.

I could see myself as a transgender US immigrant in a roomful of LGBT people, wanting to celebrate the president’s actions to advance the cause of gay marriage, trans healthcare and trans people serving in the military, but being unable to shut my mouth because of the deplorable conditions that undocumented LGBT immigrants, especially trans women, face.

Trans women in Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detention are routinely housed with men and are either at enormous risk of sexual assault, sometimes by ICE guards themselves, or are placed in solitary confinement for months for their own “safety” – all after already enduring violence in their own countries that led them to seek asylum. So when Gutiérrez shouted, “President Obama, I am a trans woman. I’m tired of the abuse. I’m tired of the violence,” she was advocating for an issue that cuts to the heart of what it means for a person to be treated with basic human dignity, regardless of immigration status.

President Obama’s response was bracing as it was heartless, especially being the child of one non-American himself. “Listen, you’re in my house,” he said. And later: “I am just fine with a few hecklers, but not when I’m up in the house. You know what I mean? You know, my attitude is if you’re eating the hors d’oeuvres – you know what I’m saying?”


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/25/obamas-reply-to-a-trans-woman-proves-lgbt-advocacy-stops-at-gay-marriage

I hope the President addresses the issue she was trying to raise. At least her protest brought attention to the issue. That is worth a little "impoliteness."
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"You’re eating the hors d’ oeuvres" is hardly a response (Original Post) Vattel Jun 2015 OP
any president has the right to call for decorum in the white house HFRN Jun 2015 #1
Agree. cheapdate Jun 2015 #3
That didn't help the cause redstateblues Jun 2015 #2
Waaah waahh. Obama doesn't let himself get bullied by heckler, geek tragedy Jun 2015 #4
He handled it with decorum and tranquility. nt greyl Jun 2015 #5
Actually.....it's sad you missed the literary reference to "To Kill a msanthrope Jun 2015 #6
there's always this....West Wing Tripper11 Jun 2015 #7
Wrong Place Wrong Time ProfessorGAC Jun 2015 #8
So far, all these responses sound like right-wing bumper stickers. Exilednight Jun 2015 #9
Thanks. I do not think Vattel Jun 2015 #10
 

HFRN

(1,469 posts)
1. any president has the right to call for decorum in the white house
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:37 PM
Jun 2015

i would say this no matter who the president was, or what the protester was protesting about

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
3. Agree.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:18 AM
Jun 2015

Anyone can choose to disrupt a public event, interrupt a scheduled speaker, or speak out of turn. They might have an issue they feel passionately about. It's still impolite and disrespectful to other people at the event. People choose to do this all the time whenever the president speaks. The internets are full of video of such incidents. The president generally handles these things with a modest amount of tact.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
4. Waaah waahh. Obama doesn't let himself get bullied by heckler,
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:25 AM
Jun 2015

in his own residence and people get the vapors.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
6. Actually.....it's sad you missed the literary reference to "To Kill a
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 07:51 AM
Jun 2015

Mockingbird. "

As Harper Lee so deftly pointed out, it is the height of rudeness to sit in someone's home with your mouth full while you criticize them.

I am sure you recall the scene.

ProfessorGAC

(65,473 posts)
8. Wrong Place Wrong Time
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 08:12 AM
Jun 2015

No matter the cause. In this case, the "impoliteness" likely did more harm than good.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
9. So far, all these responses sound like right-wing bumper stickers.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 08:20 AM
Jun 2015

It's the peoples' house, not the President's. He just has the good fortune of residing in it. He was given great responsibility and an honored privalage to represent all the people.

I wonder how many of you would be cheering if someone had said something similar to Bush about the Iraq war, and Bush responded with the same smugness. I know I would.

I applaud this so called "heckler".

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
10. Thanks. I do not think
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 09:30 PM
Jun 2015

Obama is so petty that he would fail to heed the message this woman sent simply because of the way it is delivered. I am hopeful that he will do what is necessary to rectify an abusive situation. Either make the centers safe for trans people or else don't put trans people in them. It is really that simple.

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