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Elections matter- no Clinton & Obama-no Breyer, Ginsburg, Kagan, and Sotomayor-no marriage equality (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 OP
Correct. DCBob Jun 2015 #1
True. Not one appointed by an "Independent." nt msanthrope Jun 2015 #2
meaning ??? eom LiberalElite Jun 2015 #4
Meaning make sure you vote for someone who can actually get elected, and can actually get a msanthrope Jun 2015 #10
Spot on ! DURHAM D Jun 2015 #16
Exactly. Vote for Bernie over every other Democrat. n/t Dawgs Jun 2015 #17
Bernie will seat precisely the same number of judges Walter Mondale did. nt msanthrope Jun 2015 #20
Whatever the number, it will be more or the same as Hillary. n/t Dawgs Jun 2015 #22
she did pretty well on her work with breyer and ginsburg. nt msanthrope Jun 2015 #26
She was president when Breyer and Ginsburg were appointed? Wow. This revision sure is fun. Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #44
you doubt she had a hand in those picks? msanthrope Jun 2015 #46
So she is Bill? AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #49
she's Hillary. and she had her hand in major policy decisions throughout the Clinton presidency. msanthrope Jun 2015 #56
Good and bad AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #57
Nah. She gets credit but shoulders no blame. truebluegreen Jun 2015 #67
Did she have a hand in the repeal of AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #96
LOL. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2015 #23
So I'm voting for Bernie nt LiberalElite Jun 2015 #63
Meaning grow up and vote for Hillary, children, your pony will have to wait. Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #43
If we'd done that in 2008, yesterday would likely not have happened. Smarmie Doofus Jun 2015 #102
We can't ignore the contribution of Anthony Kennedy DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #6
You can't trust Kennedy LynneSin Jun 2015 #9
Indeed. Citizen's United, Voting Rights.... nt truebluegreen Jun 2015 #66
and he hasn't been good on some women's issues recently JI7 Jun 2015 #71
He still hasn't made up for Bush v. Gore. nt msanthrope Jun 2015 #11
If he votes the other way we're crying now. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #14
Post hoc ergo prompter hoc. LanternWaste Jun 2015 #74
Agreed 100% nt riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #3
Nailed it...nt SidDithers Jun 2015 #5
100% agreed! leftofcool Jun 2015 #7
This is why I will fight like a motherfucker for whomever the Democratic Nominee is LynneSin Jun 2015 #8
+ a million, LynneSin. brer cat Jun 2015 #18
Hell yeah, LynneSin emulatorloo Jun 2015 #28
You and me both, girl. Anyone who doesn't is my enemy. nolabear Jun 2015 #61
This ^^^^^ Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2015 #68
+10000000000 azmom Jun 2015 #76
It is so clear how progress comes about. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #12
AMEN TO THAT BROTHER! William769 Jun 2015 #13
+1000000 dbackjon Jun 2015 #15
Very important point! n/t Spazito Jun 2015 #19
So true. morningfog Jun 2015 #21
Why isn't this in General discussion: Primaries? jwirr Jun 2015 #24
Because the OP contains nothing about the primaries. MineralMan Jun 2015 #25
That is what it started out to be. In the middle of the discussion it turns into a vote for the jwirr Jun 2015 #29
Only the OP counts in that restriction, which will be MineralMan Jun 2015 #31
Thanks I am really disappointed in that - I wanted at least one forum where we would be able to jwirr Jun 2015 #33
It would be impossible to enforce that, really. MineralMan Jun 2015 #37
Yes, I understand that after you told me the rule. Just trying to stay out of the fight and keep my jwirr Jun 2015 #38
There is no reason my non primary related post should be moved because it was disrupted./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #58
Exactly. MineralMan Jun 2015 #62
MM explained that it was based on your post and not what posters to it were saying. I was so jwirr Jun 2015 #73
Sorry, don't see that. It is about voting for the Dem nominee come Election Day emulatorloo Jun 2015 #34
I agree and I also believe in Bernie. jwirr Jun 2015 #36
because it's not about the primary it's about supporting whoever the dem nominee is in the GE JI7 Jun 2015 #72
I place my trust in Sanders to make some excellent SCOTUS picks. frylock Jun 2015 #27
Of course. emulatorloo Jun 2015 #30
Agreed frylock Jun 2015 #41
Electing Bernie prez would guarantee we get the most liberal left Justices Zorra Jun 2015 #32
no.it.doesn't Sheepshank Jun 2015 #53
Hear, hear!!!! Beacool Jun 2015 #35
Ain't that the truth bucolic_frolic Jun 2015 #39
Wait - Clintons DOMA/DADT was 'equality'? Lancero Jun 2015 #40
Clinton put Breyer and Ginsburg on the court without whom there would be no marriage equality. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #47
Marriage equality got put off years by DOMA. Lancero Jun 2015 #64
Many Democrats voted for DOMA including the current Vice President And Senate Minority Leader DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #69
WELLSTONE???? And perhaps most surprisingly, MILKULSKI???? MADem Jun 2015 #79
Should that change be praised? Yes. But at the same time... Lancero Jun 2015 #87
Precisely, everything you said is correct DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #88
So, pretty much... Lancero Jun 2015 #89
We have a chicken and egg problem. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #90
But at the same time... Lancero Jun 2015 #91
The world changed a lot from the nineties to 012 when BHO embraced marriage equality... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #92
Yep. It was the best Clinton could get at the time. DURHAM D Jun 2015 #65
That's good to know.. thank you, DSB! WOW Cha Jun 2015 #95
You know, Biden voted for DOMA. So did Paul Wellstone, who is lauded as a Progressive Icon Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #59
I haven't seen many topics... Lancero Jun 2015 #60
I assume because, unlike Biden and others, Clinton had the power to unilaterally veto truebluegreen Jun 2015 #70
There were 342 votes in the House and 85 votes in the Senate in favor of DOMA DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #85
So what? Even a losing effort sends a message. truebluegreen Jun 2015 #94
you admire Ted Cruz more than Paul Wellstone ? JI7 Jun 2015 #99
Stupid fucking question. truebluegreen Jun 2015 #100
K&R ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #42
but yet i still hear this crap from dems about voting Romeo.lima333 Jun 2015 #45
K & R Iliyah Jun 2015 #48
Exactly! Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #50
What a GREAT point! randys1 Jun 2015 #51
The legacy of the Bush (both) choices edhopper Jun 2015 #52
K & R SunSeeker Jun 2015 #54
Exactly! Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #55
No other Democrat would have done the same? bvar22 Jun 2015 #75
I don't think I said that...Did I ??? DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #78
No. You didn't say it. bvar22 Jun 2015 #81
Then perhaps you should start your own thread DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #82
LOL....keep trying. nt Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #80
Thank you for getting it Gloria Jun 2015 #77
In other words...."shut up and vote for Hillary!" davidn3600 Jun 2015 #83
I don't think I said that, did I DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #84
Where did you see that? leftofcool Jun 2015 #86
Don't be ridiculous. Cha Jun 2015 #97
Oh Yeah! Cha Jun 2015 #93
They certainly do.. Squad Goals.. Cha Jun 2015 #98
Are people here arguing otherwise? Haven't seen that. Smarmie Doofus Jun 2015 #101
A DUer recently said that they "don't give a flying leap about the Supreme Court" PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #103
Control of the SCOTUS is critical Gothmog Jun 2015 #104
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
10. Meaning make sure you vote for someone who can actually get elected, and can actually get a
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:37 AM
Jun 2015

Justice sat.

DURHAM D

(32,619 posts)
16. Spot on !
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:50 AM
Jun 2015

and thank you for your comment (on your OP thread) regarding further implications for housing, employment and public accommodations.

The fight goes on.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
56. she's Hillary. and she had her hand in major policy decisions throughout the Clinton presidency.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:41 PM
Jun 2015

I didn't have a problem with that and apparently neither did the big dog.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
43. Meaning grow up and vote for Hillary, children, your pony will have to wait.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:09 PM
Jun 2015

fuckitty fuck fuck fuck it all that.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
102. If we'd done that in 2008, yesterday would likely not have happened.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 10:16 AM
Jun 2015

We want our ponies ( if we're entitled to them; everyone ELSE has one.) and we want 'em now.

I shall now E V O L V E out of this thread.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
6. We can't ignore the contribution of Anthony Kennedy
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:31 AM
Jun 2015

There should be a hall of fame for righteous Republicans.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
9. You can't trust Kennedy
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:35 AM
Jun 2015

Remember Kennedy voted in favor of George W. Bush in the Bush v. Gore. Thanks to that vote we had 2 wars along with John Roberts and Sam Alito.

It's good to know that he'll do the right thing from time to time but if I was a gambling person I wouldn't put money on him.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
8. This is why I will fight like a motherfucker for whomever the Democratic Nominee is
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:33 AM
Jun 2015

I do not want another Scalia, Thomas, or Alito on the Bench

Look at John Roberts - he was 50 years old when George W. Bush not only appointed him but also made him Chief Justice. That guy could be sitting on the bench for another 20-30 years.

These are LIFETIME appointment folks. And in the end it seems like whomever controls the SCOTUS controls a whole what the hell is going on in this country.

Citizen United decision is one of the WORST modern decisions after Gore v Bush.

We women are so dangerously close to forever losing all rights to our body.

Ginsberg and Breyer are not getting any younger.

We need a Democrat in the White House.

You folks fight it out and pick one in the Primary. I'll fight my ass off in the general election to help get them elected. I'm just a short train ride from Pennsylvania and I'll make sure that state stays blue!

nolabear

(42,009 posts)
61. You and me both, girl. Anyone who doesn't is my enemy.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:13 PM
Jun 2015

Fight it out however you must in the primaries. I respect that. But don't fuck us over in the general.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
12. It is so clear how progress comes about.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:39 AM
Jun 2015

Good on both of them and good on the country for electing them. Love the picture.

MineralMan

(146,354 posts)
25. Because the OP contains nothing about the primaries.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:31 PM
Jun 2015

It's about Presidents who are either in office or were. Nothing about the future.

It's also about elections being super important. We really must elect a Democrat as President and regain a majority in the Senate in 2016.

This OP was not about the primary elections.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
29. That is what it started out to be. In the middle of the discussion it turns into a vote for the
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:35 PM
Jun 2015

person most likely to win in the general so we cans save the SCOTUS. Read reply #1 & 2.

MineralMan

(146,354 posts)
31. Only the OP counts in that restriction, which will be
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:38 PM
Jun 2015

enforced by forum hosts. They can only look at the OP, not the ensuing discussion. The thread's contents are not the responsibility of the OP. So, this thread is not a primary election thread, as originally posted.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
33. Thanks I am really disappointed in that - I wanted at least one forum where we would be able to
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:40 PM
Jun 2015

discuss real issues and not turn them into Hillary/Bernie threads. Oh, well.

MineralMan

(146,354 posts)
37. It would be impossible to enforce that, really.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:45 PM
Jun 2015

The DUer who starts any thread is not responsible for what is written in replies. Replies can be hidden by a jury if they aren't in keeping with community standards.

In this case, the OP is about historical issues and Presidents. It makes the point that Democratic Presidents have appointed SCOTUS justices who were instrumental in this week's decisions. That others discussed the upcoming primary elections is in no way a reflection of the intent of the original post.

In my own reply in this thread, I made the point about how important it is to elect a Democrat as President in 2016, along with regaining a majority in the Senate. Which Democrat? Whichever one is the nominee.

DU can't start locking GD threads because they might turn into a primary discussion. That would be impossible. Only the OP is subject to that rule.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
38. Yes, I understand that after you told me the rule. Just trying to stay out of the fight and keep my
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:49 PM
Jun 2015

sanity.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
73. MM explained that it was based on your post and not what posters to it were saying. I was so
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:45 PM
Jun 2015

glad when they created GD-primary because then we could get back to discussions that didn't always turn into Hillary/Bernie threads and was referring to that. I am fully aware that your post was about a very good topic. Sorry if I offended you.

JI7

(89,289 posts)
72. because it's not about the primary it's about supporting whoever the dem nominee is in the GE
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:41 PM
Jun 2015

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
32. Electing Bernie prez would guarantee we get the most liberal left Justices
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:38 PM
Jun 2015

appointed to the Supreme Court possible.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
53. no.it.doesn't
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:30 PM
Jun 2015

it guarantees he can make the most liberal nomination for Supreme (or any) court judge. The confirmatoin will be a whole other story.

Beacool

(30,254 posts)
35. Hear, hear!!!!
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:42 PM
Jun 2015

Let this be a reminder that elections DO matter.

Let this also serve as a reminder next presidential election. There have been some who have stated that they won't vote for the Democratic nominee, if it's not their candidate of choice. I got one word for them: SCOTUS.

bucolic_frolic

(43,548 posts)
39. Ain't that the truth
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:53 PM
Jun 2015

and Scalia Alito Roberts Thomas for the corporations

I can never understand why people with such rigid minds make for
judicial appointments

Oh, right, the rigid minds that appointed them

Lancero

(3,020 posts)
40. Wait - Clintons DOMA/DADT was 'equality'?
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:01 PM
Jun 2015

Huh. Never knew that.

Wait - Is it like that 'seperate but equal' thing that we had from the late 1800s to mid 1900s?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
47. Clinton put Breyer and Ginsburg on the court without whom there would be no marriage equality.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:15 PM
Jun 2015

BTW, it's silly to judge someone by the standards of our times when they were governing in their times.


Oh and btw, DADT was the compromise after Sam Nunn (D) who was the Chairman Of the Armed Services committee pulled the rug out on Clinton who wanted to allow gays to serve openly and Colin Powell, Chairman Of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, went along.

Lancero

(3,020 posts)
64. Marriage equality got put off years by DOMA.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:26 PM
Jun 2015

Clinton put DOMA into law, with which marriage inequality was made 'legitimate'.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
69. Many Democrats voted for DOMA including the current Vice President And Senate Minority Leader
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:37 PM
Jun 2015

YEAs ---85
Abraham (R-MI)
Ashcroft (R-MO)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bennett (R-UT)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Bond (R-MO)
Bradley (D-NJ)
Breaux (D-LA)
Brown (R-CO)
Bryan (D-NV)
Bumpers (D-AR)
Burns (R-MT)
Byrd (D-WV)
Campbell (R-CO)
Chafee (R-RI)
Coats (R-IN)
Cochran (R-MS)
Cohen (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Coverdell (R-GA)
Craig (R-ID)
D'Amato (R-NY)
Daschle (D-SD)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dodd (D-CT)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Exon (D-NE)
Faircloth (R-NC)
Ford (D-KY)
Frahm (R-KS)
Frist (R-TN)
Glenn (D-OH)
Gorton (R-WA)
Graham (D-FL)
Gramm (R-TX)
Grams (R-MN)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hatfield (R-OR)
Heflin (D-AL)
Helms (R-NC)
Hollings (D-SC)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Jeffords (R-VT)
Johnston (D-LA)
Kassebaum (R-KS)
Kempthorne (R-ID)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Mack (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Murray (D-WA)
Nickles (R-OK)
Nunn (D-GA)
Pressler (R-SD)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Roth (R-DE)
Santorum (R-PA)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Shelby (R-AL)
Simpson (R-WY)
Smith (R-NH)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thompson (R-TN)
Thurmond (R-SC)
Warner (R-VA)
Wellstone (D-MN)


People change,

MADem

(135,425 posts)
79. WELLSTONE???? And perhaps most surprisingly, MILKULSKI????
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 05:24 PM
Jun 2015

This had nothing to do with changing. He got shoved into a corner by the wingnuts. It was realpolitik, and he acknowledges what a fuckup it was (see very interesting article, below).

I worked under the hot-breathed supervision of the White House when we thought the prohibition against gays serving in the military was going out the window--ten hour days, seven days a week. No one was more disappointed than our WH overlords when that effort crumbled. They WANTED it to happen....sometimes, though, the political opposition is able to exert more pressure and get their way. That is what happened in that instance.

Contrast that with the "guidance" we were getting from the legislators on the HASC and SASC, which was, in essence "Don't waste your time, this isn't going anywhere." They were hostile to those of us making a good faith effort to get all the boxes checked in preparation for lifting the restrictions. They were telling us from the beginning to not bother, to forget about it. Of course, we weren't going to take anyone's word for anything--we acted under the assumption that the restriction was going to be lifted, and there was a shitload of stuff to fix/change/eliminate for that to happen. We had to go over every damn instruction/notice/directive and propose the needed changes. All that stuff got tossed in boxes when the (cough) "compromise" of DADT was agreed to.

Elections do matter.

With DOMA, Clinton wasn't happy at all--he didn't change, he just got bigfooted by the wingnuts, and the discriminatory "American people" -- many of whom didn't have his back.

Why Bill Clinton Signed the Defense of Marriage Act

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/why-bill-clinton-signed-the-defense-of-marriage-act

It is extremely rare for former Presidents to admit mistakes made in office, and rarer still for one to disavow a major piece of legislation. That’s partly why Bill Clinton’s op-ed in the Washington Post calling the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act—a law that he signed—“incompatible with our Constitution,” and asking the Supreme Court to overturn it, is so important.

The essay, a Clinton associate told me, was Clinton’s own idea; he wrote it out himself in longhand on a legal pad. As his former White House adviser on gay-rights, I was not surprised by the message. But Clinton’s willingness, just twenty days before two gay-rights cases go to the Supreme Court, to publicly call DOMA discriminatory is a big step, even if his comments stopped short of the full apology some have asked for.

But the op-ed leaves a political mystery intact. Clinton, though clearly unhappy with the law today, does not really explain why he signed it, other than to say “it was a very different time.” Perhaps that is explanation enough. Still, how was it that Bill Clinton, the first President to champion gay rights, put his name on one of the most discriminatory anti-gay statutes in American history?


The simple answer is that he got boxed in by his political opponents, and that his campaign positions on gay rights ran ahead of public opinion. But there was another important factor: a failure to imagine how quickly gay rights would evolve, and how difficult it would be to undo the damage that DOMA did. ....Was it realistic to think that a Presidential veto of DOMA would have put Clinton’s reëlection in jeopardy? At the time I thought not. But in 1996 less than thirty per cent of Americans supported gay marriage, and even eight years after that, in 2004, President George W. Bush used gay marriage extremely effectively as a wedge issue against John Kerry, who at the time only supported civil unions. In fact, many believe that it was the Bush campaign’s very strategic placement of anti-gay-marriage state constitutional ballot initiatives throughout moderate and conservative leaning states (like Ohio) which brought out conservative Bush voters and carried the day for him in that election. Could similar tactics have been used with the same effectiveness in 1996? Obviously, we will never know.

Lancero

(3,020 posts)
87. Should that change be praised? Yes. But at the same time...
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 06:43 PM
Jun 2015

...You can't really label Clintion as a life-long supporter of LGBT rights.

I mean, look at the logic here - He pushes for DOMA, which deprives many people of their rights. He appoints Justices who later vote to return the rights that HE deprived them of.

It's hard to say that he lead the way for marriage equality when, what he did was appoint two Justices who later returned to the people rights that he decided to deprive them of.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
88. Precisely, everything you said is correct
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 06:45 PM
Jun 2015

Precisely, everything you said is correct but if not for Breyer and Ginsburg we would not be celebrating today and we would still have DOMA.

Lancero

(3,020 posts)
89. So, pretty much...
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 06:55 PM
Jun 2015

He is deserving of praise, because someone undid his mistakes?

Really, seems to me that the people who undid those mistakes are deserving of the praise, not the one who made them.

You want to praise someone? Give the praise to Breyer and Ginsburg, the ones who returned to the LGBT community their rights, instead of the one whose action deprived LGBT people of their rights for nearly a decade.


DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
90. We have a chicken and egg problem.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 07:00 PM
Jun 2015

No Clinton and Obama- no Ginsburg, Breyer, Kagan, and Sotomayor...

And even President Obama whom I admire wasn't always a marriage equality supporters...

Two thoughts-better late than never and if somebody flip flops I hope they flip my way.

Lancero

(3,020 posts)
91. But at the same time...
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 07:07 PM
Jun 2015

No Clinton, no DOMA.

Still though, I can agree that Obama is deserving of praise. While he was a bit reluctant to speak his mind on LGBT issues for a time, when he eventually decided to he came out swinging on the side of Equality. Such can't be said of Clintons time in office.

Honestly though, I wouldn't really trust someone who flip-flops around. They tend to support whatever is popular at the time, correct or not. And there is no telling what will become the next 'popular' thing.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
92. The world changed a lot from the nineties to 012 when BHO embraced marriage equality...
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 07:11 PM
Jun 2015

Clinton didn't do DOMA by fiat...


342 Representatives and 85 Senators voted for it including prominent Democrats.


Today is a day to celebrate and savor for everybody.

DURHAM D

(32,619 posts)
65. Yep. It was the best Clinton could get at the time.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:33 PM
Jun 2015

Add Sen. David Boren (D) of Oklahoma as a powerful enemy.

I attended a seminar in 1993 presented by the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network and they were estatic about DADT passage. And then Colin and the DOD took over and did not enforce it the way it was intended. It is the main reason I have absolutely no respect for Powell.

I don't think I have seen anyone discuss the fact that Sanders (while serving in the House) voted against DADT in 1993.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
59. You know, Biden voted for DOMA. So did Paul Wellstone, who is lauded as a Progressive Icon
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:54 PM
Jun 2015

he's featured in many DU avatars and siglines, they have progressive training camps named after him and the works. It was bullshit, but if you criticize Wellstone for that vote people will attack like dogs. I have never, ever seen any straight person complain about DOMA unless is was about Cinton. Those who actually voted for it, they all get a big pass and a Gold Star for Progressive Excellence. Why is that, exactly?
Biden, Lahey, Murray, Harry Reid, Harkin, Levin, Durbin, Cardin, Cummings, Schumer, Clyburn, all of these and many more were DOMA yes voters.

Lancero

(3,020 posts)
60. I haven't seen many topics...
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:08 PM
Jun 2015

Thanking Biden for DOMA/DADT.

A lot of people here seem to thank Clinton for both of em though.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
85. There were 342 votes in the House and 85 votes in the Senate in favor of DOMA
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 05:57 PM
Jun 2015

That is more than enough to override a presidential veto.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
94. So what? Even a losing effort sends a message.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:44 AM
Jun 2015

If someone wants to codify discrimination, and I could not stop it, I would still do everything in my power to make them work for it. That's me; it was not Bill Clinton and fwiw it is not Obama, Pelsoi, or Reid either.

As demented as they are, I have to appreciate how hard the righties fight for their so-called principles.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
100. Stupid fucking question.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 09:35 AM
Jun 2015

I admire fighters, and even more, I admire those who fight the good fight, even when it loses. Ted Cruz has never been, and will never be, on the right side of a fight.

 

Romeo.lima333

(1,127 posts)
45. but yet i still hear this crap from dems about voting
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:11 PM
Jun 2015

"but i need a reason to vote.

im not voting for someone just cause there's a D by his name.

democrat havent inspired me to vote.

voting for the lesser of 2 evils is working for me anymore.

i need something to vote for not against "

these are actual quotes from duers NOT ME regarding voting

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
75. No other Democrat would have done the same?
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 04:37 PM
Jun 2015

I find that hard to believe.
A President from the Progressive Caucus might have given us even better SC judges....like a liberal replacement for Stevens instead of a "moderate".

Gloria

(17,663 posts)
77. Thank you for getting it
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 04:56 PM
Jun 2015

Having been mocked for being concerned about the court if the next Prez. is not a Dem, I thank you profusely!

Cha

(298,124 posts)
98. They certainly do.. Squad Goals..
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 04:11 AM
Jun 2015

[font color=blue]ELECTIONS MATTER~[/color]

Sara Lang ?@SaraLang

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Smarmie Doofus

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101. Are people here arguing otherwise? Haven't seen that.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 09:50 AM
Jun 2015

At least not recently. Everyone knows better SCOTUS appts. have been made by recent DEM PsOTUS than GOPers.

Gothmog

(146,012 posts)
104. Control of the SCOTUS is critical
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 10:50 AM
Jun 2015

The next POTUS will select three to five justices and these justices will control the direction of the court for a generation

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