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ismnotwasm

(42,030 posts)
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:59 AM Jun 2015

Read the Most Brutal Paragraph From Clarence Thomas’ Same-Sex Marriage Dissent

Justice Clarence Thomas has a fervent dissent of the Supreme Court’s historic decision to invalidate same-sex marriage bans. His argument, joined by Justice Antonin Scalia, quibbles with the definition of liberty itself. “Since well before 1787, liberty has been understood as freedom from government action, not entitlement to government benefits,” Thomas writes. Working from this principle, Thomas insists that the petitioners in the case “have in no way been deprived” of their liberty. “They have been able to travel freely around the country, making their homes where they please. Far from being incarcerated or physically restrained, petitioners have been left alone to order their lives as they see fit.” And yet he takes the argument even further—because human dignity “has long been understood in this country to be innate,” here’s who else Thomas thinks hasn’t been deprived of it:


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Read the Most Brutal Paragraph From Clarence Thomas’ Same-Sex Marriage Dissent (Original Post) ismnotwasm Jun 2015 OP
Sometimes justice is clearly blind. Agschmid Jun 2015 #1
and deaf and dumb. Orrex Jun 2015 #10
the mute has finally spoken 6chars Jun 2015 #23
Bestowing, denying dignity are two things. Third is acknowledging dignity. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #2
Thomas is a longtime user of Scaliazine and Alitomide (n/t) derby378 Jun 2015 #29
His state of mind can be described as Thomatose. n/t Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #30
Well, then; does that mean it's really kind of OK The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2015 #3
He's a pig ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #5
Same guy that yesterday stated there's no housing discrimination because the bullwinkle428 Jun 2015 #4
WHAT??? I didn't hear about that one. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2015 #8
Thomas actually wrote his stupidity for everyone to see. Lint Head Jun 2015 #6
Shame he doesn't recognize the same thing with respect to rights. malthaussen Jun 2015 #7
dignity: nobility or elevation of character; worthiness: Johonny Jun 2015 #9
If slavery and interment camps do not cause lose of dignity, Curmudgeoness Jun 2015 #11
How did this man become a Supreme Court Justice? He is a fool within a fool. nt kelliekat44 Jun 2015 #12
There's a definite answer to that question: JHB Jun 2015 #25
How did the dumbass ever make it onto the Court? boston bean Jun 2015 #13
ask Joe Biden. nt msanthrope Jun 2015 #14
I know... I don't need to ask him.. boston bean Jun 2015 #16
we got Clarence and ginny Thomas.... msanthrope Jun 2015 #20
edit boston bean Jun 2015 #21
I'm sure Anita Hill wonders the same thing. kairos12 Jun 2015 #15
a-yup! boston bean Jun 2015 #26
Thomas knows nothing of dignity and possesses none himself. nt Live and Learn Jun 2015 #17
Automatic FAIL. KamaAina Jun 2015 #18
He and his buddy, Scalia, are fucking offensive. dmr Jun 2015 #19
Sick, sick, sick etherealtruth Jun 2015 #22
Isn't he married to a white woman, whom the Supreme Court gave him the right to marry? arcane1 Jun 2015 #24
Yep SwankyXomb Jun 2015 #34
Its not about dignity Clarence. Its about freedom. WDIM Jun 2015 #27
I Happen To Agree RobinA Jun 2015 #28
I always get the impression that Thomas' opinions... Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #31
He is a disgusting individual. Behind the Aegis Jun 2015 #32
We've all been denied the right to be seen as an intelligent county by having ncteechur Jun 2015 #33
Thomas is a really bad justice Gothmog Jun 2015 #35
 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
2. Bestowing, denying dignity are two things. Third is acknowledging dignity.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:03 PM
Jun 2015

Which stands in heterogene opposition to both. But I fear that Thomas has a rather binary mind.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(116,021 posts)
3. Well, then; does that mean it's really kind of OK
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:07 PM
Jun 2015

to enslave people or put them in camps or deny them basic subsistence, because, hey, they don't lose their dignity? Damn, that's downright offensive - but what else would we expect from that guy? He's got all the dignity he needs as a member of the U.S. Supreme Court - a respected position, a comfortable income - but I wonder how "dignified" some of his ancestors felt as someone else's personal possession who was forced to work in the cotton fields and who could be sold, beaten, deprived of comfort, separated from his family, even killed, at the whim of his owner. How "dignified" do people feel when they have lost their jobs and their homes and are living in abject poverty under a bridge? Damn, that's one of the most nastily clueless things I've ever read.

bullwinkle428

(20,631 posts)
4. Same guy that yesterday stated there's no housing discrimination because the
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:09 PM
Jun 2015

NBA features mostly black players.

SERIOUSLY.

malthaussen

(17,241 posts)
7. Shame he doesn't recognize the same thing with respect to rights.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:11 PM
Jun 2015

As to the substance of the paragraph, the issue is not whether the dignity is taken away, it is whether it has legal standing.

-- Mal

Johonny

(20,975 posts)
9. dignity: nobility or elevation of character; worthiness:
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:12 PM
Jun 2015

2. bearing, conduct, or speech indicative of self-respect or appreciation of the formality or gravity of an occasion or situation.

3. elevated rank, office, station, etc.

4. relative standing; rank.

5. a sign or token of respect:

I'm going out on a limb and saying forced imprisonment and treatment to inhuman conditions pretty much doesn't fit the actual definition of dignity. When they impeach you from the bench and lock you up for crimes against humanity... they've pretty much taken away your dignity. You might still have your pride and your own sense of self worth, but most humans with empathy understand they've destroyed your dignity.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
11. If slavery and interment camps do not cause lose of dignity,
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:13 PM
Jun 2015

I don't know what does. Let's see how much dignity he can muster if he were stripped naked and paraded around, with the consequences of trying to hide his nakedness being beatings. Sorry, but I say that those are the sorts of conditions that do cause people to lose their dignity.

JHB

(37,166 posts)
25. There's a definite answer to that question:
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:37 PM
Jun 2015

The reason Thomas was put on the SCOTUS was...

...NOT because he was the most qualified jurist. He wasn't.
...NOT because he was the most qualified black jurist. He wasn't.
...NOT because he was the most qualified black conservative jurist. He wasn't.

He was the most qualified black conservative with reliable but obfuscatable views on abortion & other subjects, and was young enough that he'd stay on the court for decades.

The Democratic senators were initially ready to give him a pass, since 1) they didn't look forward to another SC nomination battle, and 2) initially the black community was receptive to Thomas -- not enthusiastic, but not inclined to oppose -- and a fight against him wouldn't be well received.

At the time I thought Thomas should have been voted down just because of his lackluster record and ignoring conflict of interest (Thomas failed to recuse himself in a case involving the Ralston Purina company, where his political mentor Sen. John Danforth owned millions in stock and had brothers on the board of directors. Thomas' decision in favor of Purina directly benefited his pals).

Black opinion didn't shift until later in the process, after Thurgood Marshall made his "a black snake is still a snake" comment. The senators were finally forced to take a harder line when the harassment charges leaked out, and giving Thomas a pass would piss off another Democratic constituency: women fighting workplace harassment.

But all that happened too late: by that point conservatives were ginned up in support and the rest of the establishment didn't want another highly-visible fight, so the Thomas hearings were kept to a he-said-she-said with Anita Hill (Angela Wright was shunted off to the side), giving the senators their excuse to just put it behind them.

So here we are, a quarter-century later, and he's still a lackluster jurist who ignores conflicts of interest, and is a reliable conservative operative in the courts.

boston bean

(36,228 posts)
13. How did the dumbass ever make it onto the Court?
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:15 PM
Jun 2015

Anyone Senator who voted for this jack asses confirmation, and the idiot who nominated him, ought to be ashamed.

The guy is one stupid fucker and the rest of them were just as stupid to vote for his stupid ass!

boston bean

(36,228 posts)
16. I know... I don't need to ask him..
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:19 PM
Jun 2015

I watched the hearings..

The vote was a way to make up for the Robert Bork rebuke...

They voted down one scary dude and look what we got in his place..

boston bean

(36,228 posts)
21. edit
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:25 PM
Jun 2015

I just looked up Bork... I didn't realize he departed this continuum in 2012....

Woops, it was GHWB that nominated him in 1991... I thought his confirmation was part of the Bork pay back... maybe my memory is slipping some!

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
18. Automatic FAIL.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:20 PM
Jun 2015

We need an analogue of Godwin's Law for whackjobs like this who compare (insert issue here) to slavery. Long Dong's Law?

The Huckster is guilty as well.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026887972

dmr

(28,368 posts)
19. He and his buddy, Scalia, are fucking offensive.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:22 PM
Jun 2015

They try to rob America and the Court of its dignity.

WDIM

(1,662 posts)
27. Its not about dignity Clarence. Its about freedom.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:43 PM
Jun 2015

Freedom of adults to have self determination as long as they cause no harm. Two men or women being married causes no harm. And has no impact on your life or your rights. Therefore you are seeking to strip the rights of others just because you disagree with them even though they are causing no harm. Why dear sir do you hate freedom so much?

RobinA

(9,911 posts)
28. I Happen To Agree
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:48 PM
Jun 2015

with him on the dignity part, you own your dignity. I wonder if he knows he's channelling Kahlil Gibran? But what does this have to do with the issue at hand?

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
31. I always get the impression that Thomas' opinions...
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:59 PM
Jun 2015

I always get the impression that Thomas' opinions were written on paper with the lines really far apart...in crayon.

ncteechur

(3,071 posts)
33. We've all been denied the right to be seen as an intelligent county by having
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:37 PM
Jun 2015

"Justice" Thomas sit on the bench.

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