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kpete

(72,061 posts)
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 05:09 PM Jun 2015

RUDE PUNDIT: "You cannot deny country is a better place than it was before Obama took office"

6/26/2015

The Lesson of This Week: We're Sick of the Past

..........

This week, the American people and the Supreme Court and President Obama declared the past done. Obviously, we need to learn from the past. But the idea is that you learn from it and then move forward. You don't pretend it didn't happen. And you sure as shit don't live in it. You live now, with an eye to the future. Otherwise we're damned to repeat.

...................

And the Supreme Court this week had bad news for Americans who want things to go backwards. No, sorry, go fuck yourself, it said, we're not going back to the savage healthcare system we had before the Affordable Care Act (which, yes, is not perfect, but is a helluva lot better than it was). And your religious beliefs from the past aren't worth two gerbil shits when it comes to recognition of the right of two consenting adults to marry. If the only thing you have to defend your goddamned mean dumbness is "That's the way it's always been done," then you have nothing.




These next few days are going to be overloaded with overheated rhetoric from the right-wing commentariat, all trying desperately to drag us back into their cruel, racist, homophobic past. We will hear about how God wants things, as if that has jackshit to do with how we create our laws. We will hear about constitutional amendments, which is the only way to change what the Supreme Court did (and, yes, the Supreme Court is the final word on the Constitution as it exists today). We will hear hysteria and moaning from people who are watching as the past, their past, the past they have clung to and believed in and lived for is murdered right before their eyes by the vicissitudes of progress. They are becoming isolated, these past-clingers, and they have revealed themselves as, at best, useless or, at worst, destructive.

Finally, let us exult, briefly, before we righteously criticize him again, that the transformative legacy of President Obama was affirmed this week. As he said in his interview with Marc Maron, which was released on Monday, you cannot deny that the country is a better place than it was before he took office. If you try, you are lying. We voted for the man, most of us twice, and, damn, some days it's good to feel proud of that. Let's enjoy that for a moment before we remember, oh, yeah, drone war and banker-coddling.

The future is ahead, with all the hard work it takes to get there. Onward.
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RUDE PUNDIT: "You cannot deny country is a better place than it was before Obama took office" (Original Post) kpete Jun 2015 OP
Glad to see Rude Pundit isn't denying it. mahalo kpete Cha Jun 2015 #1
My sentiments exactly. Thanks for posting this. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #2
This is true. Undeniable. merrily Jun 2015 #3
Always happy to respond to the Rude One longship Jun 2015 #4
Tip of the hat to the Rude One. Wellstone ruled Jun 2015 #5
And you cannot deny that Doctor_J Jun 2015 #6
You may be right gratuitous Jun 2015 #11
You're number one is bullshit, Obama pushed for stimulus bill... Conservatives uponit7771 Jun 2015 #13
Such belittling. joshcryer Jun 2015 #14
Pretty much anyone? Drunken Irishman Jun 2015 #15
correct. any democrat. I overstated that one, unthinking Doctor_J Jun 2015 #20
Maybe marginally better depending on the Democrat. Drunken Irishman Jun 2015 #21
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2015 #30
You're simply not going to make it over the long haul, PBass Jun 2015 #18
Rain on someone else's parade shenmue Jun 2015 #26
+1 mountain grammy Jun 2015 #38
. JTFrog Jun 2015 #34
Ah,....the sound of chickenhawk squawks takes me back. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #52
We'd be talking about the 6th anniversary of the invasion of Iran,.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #49
Forward n/t n2doc Jun 2015 #7
Oh come now......Give us all the words! Give us the context msanthrope Jun 2015 #16
Exceedingly well said. hifiguy Jun 2015 #8
Almost always true under Democratic presidents. Certainly true of Obama. pampango Jun 2015 #9
"...Americans who want things to go backwards. No, sorry, go fuck yourself..." hunter Jun 2015 #10
And give me his tab! Fritz Walter Jun 2015 #17
War crimes included? PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #12
been doing that all day marym625 Jun 2015 #19
K & R SunSeeker Jun 2015 #22
Our country has been better for Duval Jun 2015 #23
same can be said of Justice Kennedy MisterP Jun 2015 #24
kpete, thanks for sharing this. herding cats Jun 2015 #25
It is, indeed, a good day to be a Democrat. blue neen Jun 2015 #27
Quite The Low Bar colsohlibgal Jun 2015 #28
Then you don't understand politics. randome Jun 2015 #32
My father told me "Go ahead and enjoy the fireworks with the crowd but keep your rhett o rick Jun 2015 #37
thank you so much. rbnyc Jun 2015 #44
Thank you for your comments and I like your sig line. nm rhett o rick Jun 2015 #50
There must be time to celebrate Fairgo Jun 2015 #29
He's right, of course. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #31
I have to agree with RUDE. I think when we reflect back, this time myrna minx Jun 2015 #33
K & R Scurrilous Jun 2015 #35
Very true, no doubt. n/t prayin4rain Jun 2015 #36
selling out our Nation to the Highest Bidder imthevicar Jun 2015 #39
Yes, but the effing drug war rages on nt jomin41 Jun 2015 #40
...and voting rights have been eviscerated, the ability regulate campaign finance was destroyed by Chakab Jun 2015 #43
Not for women or for a large segment of voters. ananda Jun 2015 #41
The Rude Pundit is so right on! BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2015 #42
I'm looking at recent history as if it has been a good surge to the lead, during a relay race. Snotcicles Jun 2015 #45
And cheers to our great president and all of the good that he has done. nt Snotcicles Jun 2015 #46
A better place for gay people, maybe MuttLikeMe Jun 2015 #47
Not just Obamacare and marriage equality. No, this week was even better .... Scuba Jun 2015 #48
His Rudeness rocks! Aristus Jun 2015 #51

longship

(40,416 posts)
4. Always happy to respond to the Rude One
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 05:16 PM
Jun 2015

With an R&

And the best to you, too, kpete, for posting this.


 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
5. Tip of the hat to the Rude One.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 05:19 PM
Jun 2015

Yes,the man will leave the White House and Country in a much better shape than he received it. And,it was done with out the help of Boner or Mitch the Turd.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
6. And you cannot deny that
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 05:24 PM
Jun 2015

1. Pretty much anyone could have improved it over where we were in 2008, and
2. We have taken another giant step toward corporate rule, due to his appeasement and complicity with the republicans

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
11. You may be right
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 06:04 PM
Jun 2015

1. But I still don't want to know what a President McCain might have done had he been elected in 2008 instead of Obama.

2. Yes, but I think we're a little more energized thanks to the events of the last 10 days. I feel like fighting and winning some more, and I don't think the corporations and their political enablers can beat us.

uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
13. You're number one is bullshit, Obama pushed for stimulus bill... Conservatives
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 06:11 PM
Jun 2015

... would not have done so

no...

not "anyone"

What winger bullshit

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
15. Pretty much anyone?
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 06:16 PM
Jun 2015

Maybe a Democrat - but this country would have been far worse off had McCain won in 2008.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
20. correct. any democrat. I overstated that one, unthinking
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 07:06 PM
Jun 2015

Sorry for overdoing it. But when I voted for him, and when Olbermann called the election for him, and when he took office with huge majorities in congress, I was expecting this, and a lot more. Things like wall streeters in jail, disengagement in the middle east, severe cutbacks in the Pentagon budget, healthcare without crooked, bloodsucking insurance executives, and some sort of major commitment to fixing the roads and public schools. Instead I got just another corporate politician. And guess what. A lot of others were disappointed. That explains the 2010 train wreck. A lot of people figured out that the president's for wall street first, and the rest of us when convenient

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
21. Maybe marginally better depending on the Democrat.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 07:10 PM
Jun 2015

But I think America is more than marginally better than it was in 2008.

PBass

(1,537 posts)
18. You're simply not going to make it over the long haul,
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 06:48 PM
Jun 2015

if you can't acknowledge where gains were made. Your worldview is a little too bleak. You will not last.

Meanwhile, I'm pretty happy today.

THANKS, OBAMA!

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
49. We'd be talking about the 6th anniversary of the invasion of Iran,....
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 04:35 PM
Jun 2015

....while McSame and Palin would be spending long periods of time alone at Camp David.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
16. Oh come now......Give us all the words! Give us the context
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 06:29 PM
Jun 2015

of "Forward!"

There is an acronym created by a noted DUer.....POSUCS. Recently, the brilliant mind who created that acronym felt the need to self censor, and used "UCS." That is unfortunate. one should say what one means clearly and plainly.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
9. Almost always true under Democratic presidents. Certainly true of Obama.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 05:48 PM
Jun 2015

Sometimes making the country a better place involves positive actions like ACA, Dodd-Frank, immigration executive orders, appointing liberal justices, etc.

Sometimes it is not doing stupid, immoral stuff like invading countries or slashing taxes for the rich. Governing as a decent moral person, as Democrats more often do, often unleashes positive forces that make the country a better place even if a particular president is nor directly responsible.

hunter

(38,354 posts)
10. "...Americans who want things to go backwards. No, sorry, go fuck yourself..."
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 05:56 PM
Jun 2015

Yeah, give me what the Rude Pundit is having.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
12. War crimes included?
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 06:07 PM
Jun 2015
This week, the American people and the Supreme Court and President Obama declared the past done. Obviously, we need to learn from the past. But the idea is that you learn from it and then move forward. You don't pretend it didn't happen. And you sure as shit don't live in it. You live now, with an eye to the future. Otherwise we're damned to repeat.


I do not believe this statement is the correct way to look at what has occured this week.

What happened this week is we righted some wrongs have have plagued us for ages. We should continue to right our wrongs. All of them.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
19. been doing that all day
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 06:55 PM
Jun 2015

And have never denied the good he's done.

Today, he was the best President I've ever seen.

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
23. Our country has been better for
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 07:32 PM
Jun 2015

electing Obama as our President. Despite Republican intense efforts to discredit him, he has risen above their rhetoric and proven to be the guy we voted for. Thanks for the great post, kpete.

herding cats

(19,569 posts)
25. kpete, thanks for sharing this.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:04 PM
Jun 2015

I don't deny we're in a better place than we were in 2008. Anyone who does is lying to themselves. We would not be where we are today under McCain.

I remember being told just 10 years ago that what I wanted wasn't realistic. Well, those people were wrong and then some.

It's a good day to be a Democrat. I don't give a damn what the naysayers have to say about my joy!

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
28. Quite The Low Bar
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:21 AM
Jun 2015

Being better than Doofus Dubya? It would be hard to not be better.

Drone wars and bank coddling are really big deals that are not helping Main Street.

What happened today is awesome but let's remember Obama was against it till recently. Also he still hasn't evolved a whole lot on pot.

And it's the same old cover - using social liberalism to cover for being in the tank for Wall Street and myriad other less than liberal stances and actions - like the TPP.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
32. Then you don't understand politics.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 06:10 AM
Jun 2015

Obama, despite his stated 'evolving', got this done by being low-key and flying under the radar.

This is what he wanted from the start, I am certain of it. Do I have proof? No. Is it possible I'm looking at him too optimistically? Sure. With that in mind, I still think I'm right.

He is one of those 'anonymous heroes' he spoke of, working behind the scenes.

This is his win.
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rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
37. My father told me "Go ahead and enjoy the fireworks with the crowd but keep your
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 11:08 AM
Jun 2015

hand on your wallet." as your last paragraph puts forth.

I love the gains we are making for social justice but worry that it will be all for naught when the corporations rule the world.

The TPP is a giant step in the direction of global corporatism where there is no room for democracy (dare I say the f-word?).
And without democracy, no more social justice. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026912876

So keep up the fight for social justice but don't forget the conspiracy of the big corporations to rule the world.

Fairgo

(1,571 posts)
29. There must be time to celebrate
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 03:31 AM
Jun 2015

This week, our democracy gave us hope. Some very old shackles were finally broken after years of struggle. The president has had his role in this, and for his part he deserves our praise. But let us celebrate the heroes of stonewall, the leaders of the gay pride movement, and our neighbors with whom we make community and a home for all, standing love against hate for years and years. The celebration welcomes all, even those who come late. They are here now...and that's what counts today.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
31. He's right, of course.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 05:46 AM
Jun 2015

Is Obama perfect? No. But I think History will be far kinder to his legacy than the present is.

I think he's arguably the best President of my lifetime, and that goes back to LBJ.

myrna minx

(22,772 posts)
33. I have to agree with RUDE. I think when we reflect back, this time
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 06:55 AM
Jun 2015

Will be seen as monumetous. I toast President Obama today.

Today is a great day to be an American and we owe much gratitude to the President for changing the trajectory of the country. Thank you Mr President.

 

imthevicar

(811 posts)
39. selling out our Nation to the Highest Bidder
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 01:47 PM
Jun 2015

Through the Tpp is a good thing then! He's a bastard, When you grand children are homeless and starving in this nation then you'll remember and curse the traitor called President Obama.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
43. ...and voting rights have been eviscerated, the ability regulate campaign finance was destroyed by
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 02:48 PM
Jun 2015

Citizens United, women's reproductive rights are under siege in several Republican-controlled states and race relations and the general perception of black Americans have been set back decades by all of the racist propaganda that's been trotted out by the right wing media since Obama took office.

I'm genuinely happy about what happened yesterday. However, when you take the sum of everything that's happened in the past seven years, the US is only marginally better off as a whole if it's better off at all.

ananda

(28,925 posts)
41. Not for women or for a large segment of voters.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 02:24 PM
Jun 2015

When full women's rights are restored, along with
voting rights and free and fair elections, then we
can talk ....

 

Snotcicles

(9,089 posts)
45. I'm looking at recent history as if it has been a good surge to the lead, during a relay race.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 03:22 PM
Jun 2015

I want the baton hand-off to go to a runner who knows what remains unfinished. Someone that we can trust will grab that baton firmly and run like this is the moment they have been training so hard for. They are only focused on the finish line and it's the promise land. I want someone who is willing to carry all of us across that finish line with them. And that all the cards are on the table. I don't want to see someone who's goal is just to be in the winners circle.

Whom ever it may be.

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