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GoneOffShore

(17,346 posts) Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:27 PM Jun 2015

Perhaps today's decision is better than we can imagine.

From the comments section of an article on today's decision in the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/27/us/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage.html?emc=edit_na_20150626&nlid=57435284&ref=cta&_r=1

This decision is more far reaching than is apparent. While it recognizes the legitimacy of same sex marriages and relationships, it also dismisses as invalid the implicit argument that religious values may dictate public policy to limit what the public may decide to do with respect to secular institutions. It reaffirms the separation of church and state, which a lot of cultural conservatives oppose with deep animosities.

It may be a stretch, but we can hope that this is the case.

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Perhaps today's decision is better than we can imagine. (Original Post) GoneOffShore Jun 2015 OP

Holy cow. Saved that paragraph to read tomorrow ! Too many words. :) nt Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2015 #1

Do note that it's from the comments section GoneOffShore Jun 2015 #4

Yes...just too much celebrating. Hope you post again tomorrow nt Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2015 #6

If it can blow Scalia's aneurism, then definitely yes. nt Xipe Totec Jun 2015 #2

I don't see it as a stretch at all. Cracklin Charlie Jun 2015 #3

My first thought was BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #5

There was also some strong language about reproductive choice. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #7

Yes, that was on my mind earlier today... Gloria Jun 2015 #8

I missed this, but then I didn't read the entire opinion. GoneOffShore Jun 2015 #10

Thank you, Justice Kennedy. Your pastor's interpretation of the merrily Jun 2015 #9

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)

1. Holy cow. Saved that paragraph to read tomorrow ! Too many words. :) nt

Reply to GoneOffShore (Original post)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:29 PM

Jun 2015

GoneOffShore

(17,346 posts)

4. Do note that it's from the comments section

Reply to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:39 PM

Jun 2015

And not the article itself.

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)

6. Yes...just too much celebrating. Hope you post again tomorrow nt

Reply to GoneOffShore (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:01 PM

Jun 2015

Xipe Totec

(43,893 posts)

2. If it can blow Scalia's aneurism, then definitely yes. nt

Reply to GoneOffShore (Original post)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:31 PM

Jun 2015

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)

3. I don't see it as a stretch at all.

Reply to GoneOffShore (Original post)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:35 PM

Jun 2015

This decision will have far-reaching effects. The public reaction to today's decision has proven that, for me.

Tolerance and acceptance are wonderful. Those of the church would be wise to try it sometime.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)

5. My first thought was

Reply to GoneOffShore (Original post)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:42 PM

Jun 2015

Dear God, please let it be! Ha! Get religion out of government right damn now.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)

7. There was also some strong language about reproductive choice.

Reply to GoneOffShore (Original post)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:09 PM

Jun 2015

I really hope to see major focus on undoing the harm that's been done against abortion rights and access.

Gloria

(17,663 posts)

8. Yes, that was on my mind earlier today...

Reply to PeaceNikki (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:18 PM

Jun 2015

We go back to women, right???? ...also, voting rights, Citizens United...we have to work to do!

GoneOffShore

(17,346 posts)

10. I missed this, but then I didn't read the entire opinion.

Reply to PeaceNikki (Reply #7)

Sat Jun 27, 2015, 09:09 AM

Jun 2015

Good find.

merrily

(45,251 posts)

9. Thank you, Justice Kennedy. Your pastor's interpretation of the

Reply to GoneOffShore (Original post)

Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:20 AM

Jun 2015

Bible is not a valid basis for secular law. Deal with it.

I have not read today's opinion. However, I did read the Windsor decision, the first SCOTUS decision on this issue. It seemed to me that Kennedy (and/or his clerks) went out of his way to put gems of language into the Windsor opinion that lower courts could use for equal marriage or almost any issue of equality.

Theoretically, the SCOTUS is supposed to issue narrow opinions. But, I am so glad Kennedy pissed off Scalia in that regard In Windsor. I am glad Kennedy seems to have gone "rogue" on the church v. state issue as well.

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