Adults themselves? NO. Are the parents of these unvaccinated kids up to date on their own Diphtheria or Pertussis vax? Forget Flu Shots. lol Lifetime Immunity from Childhood Vaccination? No Herd Immunity when children are only 25% of the population. Sorry, guys. Maybe you need to cancel Health Insurance polices, including MEDICARE, for non compliance with CDC's recommendations for Adults too?

Far, fa,r more children are vaccinated than the adult population. Look up the statistics on how many adults are current on boosters. Better pass some more laws for this. No Dose, No Job?

Science is a big fat lie, and public health is just a way to try to control misanthropes like you with evil needles.

It would be much better if we all just died of fatal diseases that we could almost completely eradicate if people like you would just stop being selfish assholes.

(Yeah, I'll take one for the team because I am so fucking sick of HockeyMom's squirrely anti-vax BULLSHIT)

You like to pick on parents of young children, but you DON'T when it comes to an Adult for themselves because you know you cannot force vaccination/medical treatment on them. Informed Consent. and the right to refuse ALL medical treatments on Adults.

that you and the rest of the anti-science lunatics are trying your hardest to start a pandemic of some kind. Why is that?

Also, you know that the anti-vaxxer stuff belongs in Creative Speculation with the Holocaust deniers and moon landing hoaxers.

for playground games.

What I am doing is calling out your DANGEROUS BULLSHIT.

anti-vaxxers at DU should be treated the same as chemtrailers.

Sid

is that you and I can totally agree on something. It's downright refreshing.

Bet you that we agree on more than that.

Sid

Chemtrailers don't any harm, AFIK. Anti-vaxxers can be dangerous for others.

but I still think both should be banned from DU.



Sid

Suck it, anti-vax asshats.

Sid

Mumps can cause complications.

of their complications from MUMPS. Are they all dead or not playing today because of their complications?

This is some bizarre shite!

Sometimes you think you see it all on DU, then this comes along.

.....if it has not personally happened to you, but that does not mean that it does not exist. I also notice you changed the subject as soon as worldwide measles deaths were mentioned.

you probably shouldn't ask. It's not generally considered polite to ask a strange man about his nuts.

And I suspect some of them will

Not going to address the "deadly" flu and yearly vaccinations for the ENTIRE population, which isn't happening. Try Diphtheria and Pertussis. Force these parents of children to vaccinate them? End of story? NO. Both of these vaccinations do not last a LIFETIME. CDC says both only last an average of about 10 years. THINK about that one with your forced Childhood Vaccination laws, especially with Whooping Cough epidemics, which is far more cases than Measles. Has Mommy, Daddy, Aunts, Uncles, Grandprents gotten their BOOSTERS? HOW do you even KNOW that one?

Look up the statistics on how many ADULTS over 18 are getting both of these. How many have gotten a Tetanus/Diphtheria vax every 10 years? How many, other than forced teens, have ever gotten that Tdap? Go on CDC stats and YOU will be HORRIFIED at how many people over 18 aren't getting these. Maybe your mandatory childhood vaccinations will solve this problem? RIGHT!!!!!!

What is your plan for forced vaccinations/boosters for adults? Have fun!!!!!!

Two adults, got their vaccinations later in life, during the 50's.
The male had shingles, due to no vaccination for it.

They had 5 kids.

The 5 kids have 7 kids of their own.

The 7 kids had 7 kids of their own.

Not one has autism.
Not a one.

How do I know this?
It's my family. I was the middle child of the 5 kids.

You cannot catch Shingles from another person.

You want to go through it?

There are vaccinations against shingles nowadays.

and 33 year old SIL experience with it? lol IF I get it (33 years older than SIL), I will chance it. I don't worry about this stuff.

she looks a LOT YOUNGER than I am right now. Can you get shingles when you are dead?

You can catch chicken pox - if you've never had it - from a person who has shingles. Many people assume shingles is a "safe" disease. It is not.

When my 33 year old SIL (too young for Zoster vax) had shingles, his doctor said just keep a shirt on around his infant son. My husband did the same, obviously, when he went to work. His doctor said once the rash crusts over, it is no longer contagious for chicken pox.

It isn't an airborne disease, even for someone who has never had chicken pox.

I am just pointing out that it's can be contagious and not benign.

an active sore. My husband had shingles and his doc told him to stay away from crowds and esp. young children and the elderly.

Misinformation, as I stated before. Young children who haven't been vaccinated, but the elderly who have had chicken pox, aren't going to catch shingles, or chicken pox, from another person. I put creams all over my husband's shingles. My daughter did the same for her husband. Since we both had chicken pox, not going to catch chicken pox, or shingles, from the shingles rash.

I would think that the vast majority of the elderly have had chicken pox themsleves since the vaccine did not come out until the mid 90s.

There ARE people who have had chicken pox more than once. Misinformation. The chicken pox virus stays in your body in the nerve cells forever. That's why people who have had chicken pox are susceptible to shingles. When your immune system is compromised, or you're under a great deal of stress, shingles appear. Unlike chicken pox, shingles can come and go as many times as it wants. That's why there's a vaccine for it. It's extremely painful and debilitating. A person with an active sore can spread it to others. Giving chicken pox to people who have not had it or been immunized, or shingles to people who have had chicken pox. He was told to stay away from public places until the sores had scabbed over. He was given anti virals and pain pills. It's not a fun disease. He was lucky as it didn't last long and didn't come back.

I had a librarian in grade school who was on medical leave for an entire school year because she had such a bad case of shingles. They can also be internal and affect the eyes. My brother and I both had chicken pox at the same time; we are now susceptible to shingles. If I had the $200, I go to he pharmacy today and have them stick me with the shingles vaccine. It's something I never want to deal with.

Holy shit, you're serious.

Are you aware they ARE NOT getting them for your needed Herd Immunity of 95%. If children make up 25% of the population, how many adults need to be vaccinated, and with boosters, for your Herd Immunity? Do your math.

The point is that children MUST be vaccinated, no longer can their parents refuse because of "sincerely held beliefs". This is not about adults getting their boosters.

Should all adults be up to date? Yes! A thousand times yes, but that is not the subject at hand. Too many people have had the misery of preventable illnesses, and I am delighted to see an abused loophole be closed!

Sometimes the price of living in a civilized society is accepting a minimal risk. The same risk everyone else is taking.

haven't gotten up to date with boosters. Some adults may not get boosters or other vaccinations later in life because they don't have the resources or knowledge. That can be improved.

But the ASSHOLES who DELIBERATELY put vulnerable people, including kids, at risk by irresponsibly refusing to get boosters and other vaccinations? Those who use nonsense equivocating bullshit to defend their irresponsibility? They can fuck off.

Read CDC on that one. Anyone around infants too young to be vaccinated needs to be up to date on Pertussis vaccinations. ARE they? You might try to do this with California legislation that Adult Childcare Vaccination Bill, but what is your proposal for mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles, grandparents, adult friends and neighbors? Absolutely no way to enforce this in a non working environment. My guess this is precisely why whooping cough is at far more epidemic levels than measles, etc.

This is exactly what I meant in my statement that you do not even know your own science, or how you think you can enforce, or even monitor, this on adults.

have too

Anyway and this is known, vaccine is not 100 percent effective. I had my booster and still got it at Comicon last year, due to the drop in herd immunity.

Trust me, even as an adult it is one nasty disease.

So you seem opposed to vaccination. That is my take from all your excuses. Serious.

be vaccinated or show proof that they are. Until 4 years ago, I worked in Public Schools in 2 different states. Never was asked,. and even refused Hep. B.vax with no questioned asked except, NO, Don't want it.

Don't even address Mandatory FLU SHOTS.

but vaccines in adults in fields that require them, such as the armed forces and medical field have the same exact exceptions as the bill does. You are allergic, you won't get a jab. People rely in herd immunity.

What I find curious is the opposition in the U.S. When I have seen people walk miles to get their kids vaccinated in developing world countries, because they know it works. That is what I find curious. Then again, the U.S. Is a declining power, this us but one more symptom.

who does remind me whenever I need to get a booster. Not a biggie truly.

So what is exactly your point here?

And yes, I did do the MMR this year because of idiots who do not do this.

I even did a PSA about it.

Many people get a booster shot - I know this because I've recently had mine.

I've read "on the internet" that some people have died as a direct result of wearing a seat belt. The vast majority of people who wear their seat belts and are involved in an auto accident, however, can attribute the seat belt to preventing injuries.

I'm not going to ride around in a car without a seat belt, and I'm not going to try to convince others not to do so, either. I sure as hell am not going to try to convince people that vaccinations are for dummies.

...better look at yourself. To quote an old blues song. Before you go shooting off your mouth (keyboard), you might want to look up why certain vaccinations are important for children, and less important or insignificant for adults. Just a suggestion.

You're the one who thinks that cigarette smoking isn't harmful.

That's really all that anyone needs to know about you and your crazed fairytale opinions.

and getting them to believe their dangerous nonsense.

is all of 32 years old and has shingles. You want to know why because her mother is an anti vaxxer who home schooled her so she wouldn't have to vaccinate her children. Now the most wonderful person in my life, one of the the most anyway will suffer off and on the rest of her life. Luckily my grand daughter has had all her shots.

CDC ONLY recommends the Zoster vax for people over 65. Both the mother of your grandchild, and my 33 year old SIL (not anti-vaxxer), would not have been offered that Zoster vax because of their AGE.

Do you think that the CDC should put that on the list for ALL people who had chicken pox, regardless of how old they are? BTW, it is not covered by insurance for young people. If they DEMANDED it, if a doctor would even give it, it costs around $200.

so in this case what I said is pretty much right on.
If Brittany had been given the vaccination her chances of getting chicken pox would have been slim. As it is

am I not right

My grandson was too young to get that vaccination, and his father caught shingles at a young age. They don't give Zoster vaccinations to people in their 30s. So what is your solution for this?

Again, do you think everyone of any age should be given Zoster to protect infants? Cannot blame this situation on anti-vaxxers.

That is another aspect of it. Vaccinations is just a small part of it. Watch TV commercials for a while to see what I mean by that. Ask your doctor if bla, bla, bla is RIGHT for YOU! Then listen to all the warnings for that particular drug. Extrapolate from that.

I'm disgusted by all the prescription ads too.

But I don't throw out all my blood pressure meds because I don't like an ad.

I used to have an uncle who hated doctors, was diabetic and smoked heavily.
He died of lung cancer and diabetic complications.

The funeral home had to use so much make-up he looked like a mannequin.

That was fucking brilliance!

OK, maybe God isn't the one to thank. Maybe it's the legislators who recognized they can't let people hide behind God, or the gods, or some deity, when it comes to issues of public heath. "My child should not have to die for your religion." Amen to that.

to refuse a vaccination. Just plain, NO, I don't want medical treatment. You do not understand that difference. Does an adult need a reason to refuse vaccinations in their doctor's offices, CVS, or COTSCO? Get lost is enough.

If you want to believe the fake studies and celebrity propaganda, and make those choices for your kids, they can't stop you. You can still refuse to have your children vaccinated. You just can't send them to public school with the vaccinated kids. But you probably wouldn't want to, right?

I have eveyr right to refuse any vaccination, or any medical treatment, for MYSELF alone as an adult, and a Senior one at that.

OK, I understand now. You are exactly right. I thought you were advocating parents refusing to have their kids vaccinated.

Herd immunity is all she will ever have against a lot of these terrible diseases. Please get your children immunized and get your boosters.

for the entire population over 6 months old? You'll have a major problem with that one.

Thanks for your concern.