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RandySF

(59,902 posts)
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 03:55 PM Jun 2015

We have at least one more big ruling to come from SCOTUS

NOTE: This could have huge implications for Congressional races in AZ, CA and IA.

As dramatic and consequential as last week was, with rulings on Obamacare and marriage equality, the U.S. Supreme Court is not quite finished. On Monday, the high court is expected to issue its ruling in an Arizona case that could detonate one of California’s most significant political reforms.

At issue is whether a state’s voters have the authority to empower a citizens commission — rather than state legislators — to draw congressional boundaries.

Arizona’s 2000 voter initiative set up a bipartisan commission to handle the decennial redistricting process. It’s composed of two Republicans, two Democrats and a fifth member chosen by the other four.

Republicans who control the Arizona Legislature are challenging that system in the case that has reached the U.S. Supreme Court. It is no coincidence that Republicans could reap a big payoff if they seized control of the redistricting process: They now hold five of the state’s nine congressional seats, and could gain two more if they were able to redraw the lines in competitive areas now represented by Democrats.


http://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/diaz/article/Diaz-Court-s-next-big-ruling-could-shake-up-6352854.php
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We have at least one more big ruling to come from SCOTUS (Original Post) RandySF Jun 2015 OP
Paid wall at the link, FYI villager Jun 2015 #1
Yep I mentioned this one a few times last week yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #2
They may yield on who you marry -- but they damn well want to control who you can vote for villager Jun 2015 #3
So now the Republicans WANT the "9 unelected judges" dixiegrrrrl Jun 2015 #4
Windstorm, hell, it's an F5 Tornado at this point. hifiguy Jun 2015 #15
The GOP gave us healthcare and marriage equality LynneSin Jun 2015 #5
yeah that is a big one. It would be odd for them to rule that a state legislature cannot delegate Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #6
That was not the facts of this case. former9thward Jun 2015 #9
The elections clause A1 - S4-1 asiliveandbreathe Jun 2015 #13
It doesn't work that way. former9thward Jun 2015 #14
Wow - that was fast asiliveandbreathe Jun 2015 #19
If it is found to be unconstitutional one solution former9thward Jun 2015 #20
Tks again - asiliveandbreathe Jun 2015 #22
This is a worry too..a very big deal. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #7
thx for the reminder Liberal_in_LA Jun 2015 #8
AZ case is big. former9thward Jun 2015 #10
Pukes and Baggers want nothing less than absolute power and control. SoapBox Jun 2015 #11
R#23 & K n/t UTUSN Jun 2015 #12
K&R! also Voting Rights is coming up! KoKo Jun 2015 #16
That is interesting. kentuck Jun 2015 #17
So when would this be done? It effects Iowa and they are the first primary election next year. jwirr Jun 2015 #18
Paywall 4now Jun 2015 #21
 

villager

(26,001 posts)
1. Paid wall at the link, FYI
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 03:57 PM
Jun 2015

But yes, it will be interesting to see what they decide on a matter of real consequence to them -- who people get to vote for.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
2. Yep I mentioned this one a few times last week
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 04:02 PM
Jun 2015

My gut says we'll lose this one. Not sure why but just feel we will. I think it is because it is being released the last day and all the good news has been released. Hope I am wrong. It would be amazing to get everything we want.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
4. So now the Republicans WANT the "9 unelected judges"
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 04:17 PM
Jun 2015

"who have no power to make laws" and are "activist judges" to make a decision?

All that flip flopping is creating a windstorm.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
5. The GOP gave us healthcare and marriage equality
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 04:18 PM
Jun 2015

but they are not about to give us a fucking Congress that will do its job.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
6. yeah that is a big one. It would be odd for them to rule that a state legislature cannot delegate
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 04:40 PM
Jun 2015

their power to apportion districts, but this court is full of surprises.

former9thward

(32,178 posts)
9. That was not the facts of this case.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 04:56 PM
Jun 2015

There was a citizen's initiative which passed and took it out of the legislature's hands. The Elections clause (Article I, Section 4-1) of the Constitution is pretty clear on this. It says "by the legislature".

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
13. The elections clause A1 - S4-1
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 06:07 PM
Jun 2015

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of choosing Senators....

The Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution reads:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States, respectively, or to the people.

What did we the people of AZ do to take the "time place and manner" away from the Legislature...

The people of AZ spoke....redistricting should be what the people voted for....

Goodness knows we are trying to take back our beautiful state of AZ...Gov Napolitano was our wall from the crazies....

former9thward

(32,178 posts)
14. It doesn't work that way.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 06:13 PM
Jun 2015

The "people" can't change provisions of the Constitution they don't like (except by Constitutional amendment -- which this was not).

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
19. Wow - that was fast
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 06:46 PM
Jun 2015

As a reference point I read - (had to read this Plain English by Amy How at SCOTUSblog) , just now) - so confusing - all the info from arguments to the bloggers opinion for Monday -

Fifteen years ago, in the hope of eliminating or at least reducing partisan battles over redistricting, Arizona voters amended the state’s constitution to hand the power to draw boundaries for federal congressional districts over to an independent commission.

The state’s legislature went to court to challenge that transfer of authority, and after an hour of oral arguments that focused almost exclusively on the words of the Constitution to be exact , the word "Legislature", it appeared that the Justices may be poised to return the power to the legislature – which could spell trouble not only for the Arizona commission, but also for California and the handful of other states with similar schemes.

During the oral argument seems Sotomayor and Ginsburg and Kagan - get it -

Kagan pressed Clement over and over again on what a ruling for the legislature might mean for other state election laws – such as allowing voting by mail or imposing voter identification requirements – that, like the initiative that created the Arizona commission, were not enacted by state legislatures.

“There are zillions of those laws,” she told Clement. Clement responded that such laws might not necessarily also be unconstitutional, depending on their specific facts. Although Kagan didn’t seem satisfied with that answer, Clement urged the Court to focus on this case, rather than hypothetical laws not before the Justices: “This,” he reminded the Court, “is about the most extreme case that you’re going to have.” “If the Elections Clause means anything,” he said, “it means that you can’t cut the legislature out of the process entirely.”

So - the people of AZ voted for a separate elections commission for redistricting...thus our voter passed amendment to the constitution..

Sorry - it is really bad here in AZ...this could have huge implications - especially for CA....we will have to wait for Monday.

..we had a great run this week..as a progressive, feels good to win once in a while....back to the drawing board - tks again

former9thward

(32,178 posts)
20. If it is found to be unconstitutional one solution
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 06:54 PM
Jun 2015

may be to have an independent commission which submits its findings to the legislature for an up or down vote. If they vote it down then the commission goes back and works on it again until they get a yes vote.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
22. Tks again -
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 07:04 PM
Jun 2015

Unless the "legislature" - decides no more independent commission...

just in closing - more from Plain English at SCOTUSblog.....

The legislature was represented at the Court today by super-lawyer and former U.S. Solicitor General Paul Clement, who began with the theme that he would emphasize throughout his argument: the Arizona voter initiative “permanently divests” the legislature of its authority over redistricting, handing it over to an “unelected and unaccountable” state commission.

Such a result, he told the Justices, is “plainly repugnant” to the Constitution, which makes clear that only the legislature itself has the power to draw redistricting maps.

Fifteen years later I might add...the fix is in!

former9thward

(32,178 posts)
10. AZ case is big.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 05:00 PM
Jun 2015

But there is another big one also. The EPA was challenged on whether it has to use costs as a factor in its rule making ability. That decision will come out Monday.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
11. Pukes and Baggers want nothing less than absolute power and control.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 05:12 PM
Jun 2015

Another reason that over the past few years and more important now than ever...


GOTV.

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