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safeinOhio

(32,764 posts)
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 03:01 PM Jun 2015

3-year-old dies after accidentally shooting himself

FRANKLIN TWP.
Michigan State Police troopers are investigating an accidental shooting Sunday afternoon that claimed the life of a 3-year-old boy.
Police and rescue personnel were dispatched at 1:25 p.m. to a home in the 12000 block of Tipton Highway and found that the boy, Jonathan Kaufman, was dead from a gunshot wound to the head, according to a news release from the state police post on Monroe. The release said evidence collected at the scene and interviews with relatives indicate the boy apparently found the gun, a loaded .40-caliber handgun, in a closet and accidentally pulled the trigger.
The child was alone in the home while his father and older brother were outside, troopers said.
The incident is still under investigation by state police. Upon completion of the investigation, a report will be submitted to the Lenawee County Prosecutor’s Office for review, which is standard protocol, the news release said.

http://www.lenconnect.com/article/20150628/NEWS/150629203/2025/NEWS

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3-year-old dies after accidentally shooting himself (Original Post) safeinOhio Jun 2015 OP
... shenmue Jun 2015 #1
Parents should be charged with neglect and involuntary manslaughter... Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #2
Yes! Why shouldn't they be. Parent(s) have children taken from their care for lesser reasons misterhighwasted Jun 2015 #11
Minnesota has a safe storage law Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #14
Leaving a 3yro in a house alone is criminal sarisataka Jun 2015 #3
Wasn't anything "accidental" about -- someone left a gun criminally unsecured . . . Journeyman Jun 2015 #4
+1,000,000 ... 000 HuckleB Jun 2015 #6
Oh, my, how horribly sad! DawgHouse Jun 2015 #5
Accidents Happen SoCalMusicLover Jun 2015 #7
"Irresponsible gun owner causes the death of a child" Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #8
if only there was a good guy with a gun to prevent this tragedy Romeo.lima333 Jun 2015 #9
Yeah, but just think of all the freedom this one gun has brought about! joeybee12 Jun 2015 #10
OK, where's the in-house expert? TheCowsCameHome Jun 2015 #12
most likely a Glock, safeinOhio Jun 2015 #13
I suspect that what was posted is that toddlers frequently lack the finger petronius Jun 2015 #15
There's only one safe way to store guns: Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #16
 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
2. Parents should be charged with neglect and involuntary manslaughter...
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 03:07 PM
Jun 2015

having an unsecured, loaded firearm in your house with minors? That should be a felony on its own.

I generally don't really give a shit about guns or the 2nd amendment, I find advocates for such things to be crazy people. But I also don't think confiscation is necessary either. But what we should all advocate is for responsible gun ownership, which includes things like trigger locks, proper storage of ammo away from the guns, and gun safes, etc.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
11. Yes! Why shouldn't they be. Parent(s) have children taken from their care for lesser reasons
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 03:41 PM
Jun 2015

Negligence resulting in injury or death.
How shameful & sad that people take the power of such weapons for granted.

Snobblevitch

(1,958 posts)
14. Minnesota has a safe storage law
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 09:42 PM
Jun 2015

that says all guns in homes with children must be locked up or disabled with ammunition stored separately.

Journeyman

(15,047 posts)
4. Wasn't anything "accidental" about -- someone left a gun criminally unsecured . . .
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 03:14 PM
Jun 2015

and a child had access to it.

We mustn't let the guilty off. Make them acknowledge their irresponsible behavior and then make them pay for their criminal deed.

Anything less is a crime itself against the memory of that child.

 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
7. Accidents Happen
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 03:25 PM
Jun 2015

No biggie. I'm confident they won't be making that mistake again.

And if they do, oh well, accidents happen.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
10. Yeah, but just think of all the freedom this one gun has brought about!
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 03:40 PM
Jun 2015

Sweet little kid...stupid irresponsible parents...I hope they go to prison.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,169 posts)
12. OK, where's the in-house expert?
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 05:37 PM
Jun 2015

Someone posted recently that a three year old doesn't have the strength to pull a trigger.

petronius

(26,614 posts)
15. I suspect that what was posted is that toddlers frequently lack the finger
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 09:48 PM
Jun 2015

strength to pull a trigger normally, but they more commonly have the thumb strength to do so - which involves turning the gun around. It's easy to picture, if you imagine watching a small child explore and experiment with a new object...

 

Damansarajaya

(625 posts)
16. There's only one safe way to store guns:
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 12:50 PM
Jun 2015

unloaded and locked behind steel. If you can't do that, you should at least have a trigger lock.

This "accident" was no accident. Here are the safety rules the owners violated:

*the pistol (it was probably a Glock-style semi-auto since it was .40 cal) was not hidden

*the pistol was within easy reach of a 3 year old

*the pistol was unsecured--not locked away.

*the pistol was stored loaded

*the gun was not only loaded, but had a round in the chamber ready to fire when the trigger was pulled (this is especially a problem with a Glock type auto which uses a striker instead of a hammer . . . once the striker is cocked and ready to fire, it can't be de-cocked without pulling the trigger)

*the gun either didn't have a proper safety (Glock's don't) or the safety was off

As a gun owner, I believe we need safe storage laws (I of course am already in full compliance even without the laws), and a nation-wide media campaign to inculcate the rules. Finally, violators need to be punished to the full measure of the law.

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