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hepard Fairey, the street artist best known for the iconic "Hope" poster used in Barack Obama's first campaign for president, was arrested at Los Angeles International Airport, authorities said.
Fairey, 45, was passing through customs on July 6 when screeners noticed an outstanding warrant for his arrest that was issued in Detroit, Los Angeles Airport Police spokesman Officer Rob Pedregon said.
Fairey was booked on a felony fugitive warrant charge by the Los Angeles Police Department's Pacific Division, Pedregon said. He was released the following day, according to jail records. Authorities in Detroit declined to extradite him, the Detroit Free Press reported.
Fairey is wanted for two counts of malicious destruction of property, Detroit police Sgt. Rebecca McKay told The Times last month. Investigators allege he put up posters on private and government property, causing significant property damage.
If convicted, he faces up to five years in jail and several thousand dollars in fines.
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http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-shepard-fairey-arrested-lax-20150712-story.html
librechik
(30,678 posts)NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)which even he admits was illegal.
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)The linked article says that he couldn't be reached for comment.
Does he "admit" this somewhere else?
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)I think it was when the warrant was first issued, and there was a thread about it here.
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)Generic Other
(28,979 posts)I thought the failure of capitalism already did that.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Art is great but do not damage other peoples property. He should pay for the repairs and be free to go.
librechik
(30,678 posts)worth thousands more than the wall itself.
Either way, the artist's fame expands when the establishment lashes out at art-based activism. Thanks, for the great publicity, Mr. Clueless Detroit Property Owner!
Never mind. The concept that this sort of property "destruction" is a vicious crime which must be stamped out by severe penalties seems to be universal in the US, even among so-called liberals.
I never win this argument. Go in peace, capitalism. You are safe from an art radical now.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)for defacing or damaging others property. I am sure you are also fine with this outstanding individual and her "art" in national parks.
http://www.modernhiker.com/2014/10/21/instagram-artist-defaces-national-parks/
librechik
(30,678 posts)is outraged, OUTRAGED that his valuable slum property needs to be painted over is another matter entirely.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Lets see this slum he painted
librechik
(30,678 posts)Response to librechik (Reply #16)
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MADem
(135,425 posts)He might have defaced the property of someone who scrimped and saved to buy a building, and they're fixing it up--and now they have to scrape off some garbage "art" they didn't ask for and don't want.
Sheesh. Assumptions.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)I suppose you are also outraged at the cave paintings the ancients drew.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Defacing public lands is different than putting up posters. The woman with the marker should be charged. I don't know about Fairey, since I'm too lazy to google him and find out what he did. Well, I will. Be right back. OK, I figured it out. He tagged some buildings in Detroit, and they have been arresting people who do that. The city is discussing with Fairey when he will return and face charges, so it doesn't seem to be a big deal. The damage to the buildings can be repaired. The damage to the rock formations cannot.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)I'm not much of an artist, but I can draw a stick figure.
MADem
(135,425 posts)that National Park artist!! We'll bring a few dozen cans of spray paint and "improve" the property!!!
MADem
(135,425 posts)Why do people think that their "art" trumps people's rights to have their personal property left unmolested? The .... HUBRIS!!!
I think his attitude is both pompous and disrespectful:
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2015/06/24/shepard-fairey-arrest-warrant-detroit-police/29239929/
Police, who accuse the artist of causing about $9,000 in damage, said that the next time he comes to Detroit, they will arrest him if he doesn't turn himself in first.
"Just because he is a well-known artist does not take away the fact that he is also a vandal," said Detroit Police Sgt. Rebecca McKay, who oversees the city's graffiti task force. "And that's what we consider was done, in these instances, was vandalism."
Fairey told the Free Press he intended to leave illegal marks in the city. He arrived in May to paint the 18-story mural on One Campus Martius for Dan Gilbert's Bedrock Real Estate Services and others, but before the work began, he said he would be doing more.
"I still do stuff on the street without permission. I'll be doing stuff on the street when I'm in Detroit," Fairey said last month. His signature black-and-white Andre the Giant face has since appeared on several buildings downtown, in Eastern Market and along Jefferson Avenue.
librechik
(30,678 posts)And defying ridiculous corporate overreach by being naughty is part of the work.They knew that!
Like I said, when Detroit arrests him after inviting him, the irony is just too sweet. People will be laughing at Detroit's lack of grace in re this incident for decades as they read about the achievements of Fairey and others in art history texts of the future.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I'm guessing you didn't.
They didn't invite him to deface private property.
SMH.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)on a building they own. They were paying him a massive fee to do so. Not 'Detroit' but some private business, not public buildings but private building.
Fairey is worth many millions of dollars, and when he glues up posters those are ads for his work, which is for sale online, it is self promotion by a rich guy.
Which other wealthy business people do you think should be allowed to glue up ads where they wish? 'But he is an artist' you might say. So are all those musicians with product to market. Should they also be able to just glue it up? No matter how rich they are? No matter how many other outlets for self expression and promotion are available to them?
It's not so bad when he paints unasked, but the pasting of mass run posters is in my view just advertising for himself. Here's his store....
http://store.obeygiant.com/collections/prints
demmiblue
(36,915 posts)librechik
(30,678 posts)He even said he would. Detroit as well as the corporate entity knew he was coming, they kew what was coming. Graffiti artists are political activists with a message about gentrification. Not tame sign painters.
But I always lose this argument. Property is more important than people in the US. That is the bottom line for most Americans. They don't get it.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He had specific commissions, and he was paid for those.
Just because he said he was going to do more, doesn't make it suddenly "legal." He plainly didn't do his homework.
And no one is talking about "gentrification" in Detroit. They're just trying to keep their heads above water.
We'll be by to 'improve' your property with our artistic expressions about 'gentrification' and our political activist messages as soon as you send along your address, and we'll see how well you like it, OK?
librechik
(30,678 posts)And it doesn't include a splash of paint or a poster. I had nothing but the clothes on my back and the shoes on my feet and all my treasures of a lifetime turned to ashes and poison in just a hour.
And as an artist and art critic, I would be very interested in what your crew would say about me and my poor house which is under an asbestos tent right now. Let's discuss it further if you are really interested and not just being cruel.
If you were Shepard Fairy or Banksy, I would feel quite privileged to have your work on my property.
MADem
(135,425 posts)treasure, and vice versa. You are insisting that your view of "art" prevails, and because YOU like it, everyone else must, and that they should be "privileged" to have someone put their shit, unbidden, unasked for, and unwanted, on their property. There are people in this world who don't care for that sort of thing, who don't share your tastes, and who don't want to have to repair messes that others make in the name of "art."
While it's a shame that your house burned down, that's not the point, here. You're not living in a dumpster, how about we come by and spray paint the front door of the abode you're occupying right now? Maybe you'd be happy if some budding artist "improved" your car without your permission, hmmm? Maybe we can get someone imitating that coke addicted Thomas Kinkaid, "painter of light" to put a little gnome village on your car door, or something? Or how about some Hello Kitty art or Pokemon? Or Disney cartoons? Hey, it's "art" to someone!!
It's just not "cool" to disrespect people, or people's "stuff." It's incredibly selfish, thoughtless, and immature. Dogs piss on trees--grown people don't. If you've been invited and given permission, fine. Go to town! If you haven't, don't be rude.
What goes around, comes around. Someone should visit Mr. Fairey's home and put something like this on HIS front door, and see how he likes it:
But....but....it's ART, man!! Don't harsh my creative spirit with your 'tude, man!!!
librechik
(30,678 posts)I would never wish evil on anyone else. No matter how much I disagree with them.
MADem
(135,425 posts)You pretty much trashed me for not liking the art YOU like, and you then tried to put me down for the "crime" of advocating respect for the property of others with some lame, vague BS about people and property.
When I suggested that the art that others like be imposed on YOU, like you are advocating Fairey's art be imposed on others, you resorted to flinging, at me, personal characterizations of "angry" and "wishing evil." You're off by a mile--I find your double-talk amusing in the extreme. It's ok for DETROIT, but don't come at meeeeee with that 'evil' art!
Check your mirror, there! You want respect for your personal property, you want integrity of your own assets, you need to give that very same respect to others--it's that pesky little social contract thing we have working ....
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)On Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:32 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
Now that's a total fail of a retort!!!
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I didn't trash him--yet he threatens to come to my house and paint on my wall! I point out he wishes harm to me personally apparently because we disagree, then MAdem ascribes revolting opinions to me which I don't hold. WTF. I don't care what his opinion is, just don't threaten to come to my house because of something somebody else did that we were just talking about on a forum. Again, WTF?
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MADem
(135,425 posts)I'm so glad they read the thread and saw through the accusations made against me.
I do think it is strange that it's OK for SHEPARD FAIREY to "threaten" to go all over Detroit and paint on complete strangers' walls, and that's "art," where "people" are more important than "property,".... but if anyone else says the exact same thing....well, cognitive dissonance!
tenderfoot
(8,438 posts)CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)v a n d a l.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)It's not shocking to see how the United States ended up incarcerating more people than any other nation, including North Korea.
Even if one judges it nothing but vandalism and graffiti, how much time and money are the taxpayers of TWO different states shelling out to prosecute some rich, pretentious asshole's spray paint hobby?
It's obnoxious, annoying, and a hassle, but is it really worth all of the legal time and attention?
Also, $9000 worth of damage? Bullshit. Was he drawing dicks on original Warhols? Because A) I can buy two original Warhols a mile down the road from my house for $9000, and B) probably nobody would notice if there were dicks added. Hell, at the same gallery I've seen hand drawn sketches from Dali and Chagall for less than nine grand.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He'll pay a fine, and he'll hopefully learn that not everyone thinks his art is art--some think it's crap spray painting, aka vandalism.
One man's trash is another man's treasure...and vice versa.
Just because a city is poor, and has a lousy tax base, and is recovering from economic ruin, doesn't mean that the people in that city don't have rights. "Oh well, this is a crappy part of town, no one will care if I deface this wall...." Maybe the property owner might take issue.
I don't know what he defaced, but I do know that it's not easy to get paint off brick. It's probably not cheap, either, if there's enough of it....
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)It also cost ~$100 to hold him for the day. That doesn't include the cost in time used by the courts, the police, or airport security. That adds up, and, more importantly, helps clog up the system, which results in hundreds of thousands of Americans pleading guilty every year to crimes they didn't commit or the state can't prove we're committed just because they don't want to be in jail for eighteen months. Hundreds of thousands of people screwed over, and hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars wasted on bullshit like petty vandalism or stealing socks or being black.
Vanfalism is obnoxious and technically criminal, as well as a pain in the ass to clean up, but in the end he spray painted on a wall, just like people do in every single city on Earth.
This law and order attitude is why we incarcerate more people than any other country on Earth -- a rate that includes jail.
MADem
(135,425 posts)sandwich and few watts of electric energy to light his cell cost that much? Everyone involved in his arrest was collecting a salary anyway. They don't hire spare people for the occasion. He probably paid court costs to more than cover his little adventure with the "hard" life in the holding cell. Now he'll need a jailhouse tattoo!
He knew he'd be on his way soon enough. And it's unlikely in the extreme that he goes to jail for this.
He will pay a fine and restitution, and the City of Detroit will have benefitted from an "anti-vandalism" advertising campaign starring Shepard Fairey that they would have had to pay a quarter million bucks or more to approximate, without getting one tenth of the saturation.
It's a win-win.
The City of Detroit lets people know they mean business, and hopefully they assess him a nice, hefty fine that can be put towards helping some of the worst off in that failed city; Shepard Fairey can play the ersatz-Banksy counterculture/Fight-The-Power activist, and maybe start to see the pesky copyright violation-plagiarism-evidence destruction embarrassment from that HOPE poster mess recede just a little bit in his rear view mirror.
This is a "spell my name right" moment for Fairey. He's not a victim, here.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)do anything that's tied into 'homeland security.
start a new bank account, open a new cell phone account, get a drivers license renewed, an apartment lease, get a mortgage, get a plane ticket, even domestic travel, register your car or buy insurance. start a new utility for water, electric, gas.
Everything is tied into our trillion dollar homeland security.
the 'for profit' part of that system will earn quite a few thousands off that 10 year old warrant and make the mans life miserable. probably a felony and he may rot in some jail for 20 years.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)petronius
(26,613 posts)if he can write them off on his taxes...
MADem
(135,425 posts)or something.
They don't have a very good tax base, so prosecuting people they've identified who swan in from out of town, plaster crap all over their city, and then leave after making a mess is a way of bringing in some income to improve the place.
petronius
(26,613 posts)would seem appropriate to me. Maybe some community service if he ever goes back to Detroit...
MADem
(135,425 posts)and continue the business without a finding.
He's probably thrilled--Google his name--he's all OVER the news media--he got saturation he couldn't have gotten with ten quirky shows in ten major cities around the globe.
He could not have bought this kind of publicity for a quarter million dollars, never mind a paltry nine grand or even double that.
His counter-culture cred has been solidified, while his plagiarist-who-copied-an-AP-photo (and lied about it) persona is receding into the mists of time gone by. This is a "push the reset button" moment for him, and I'll bet, like a Mac D customer, he's "lovin' it!"
Recursion
(56,582 posts)But honestly the whole Detroit "residency" thing seemed a little too much like an attempt to be Banksy, which he isn't.
MADem
(135,425 posts)in a limited way. It's all very similar, though.
He's not Banksy, indeed--you're right about that. Banksy's greatest asset is, aside from obvious talent, the capacity for absolute surprise. Also, I think Banksy is a bit more careful about copyright misappropriation.
librechik
(30,678 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Hosts can only lock if a post that starts a thread doesn't meet the SOP for the forum or group in which it is posted.