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Some things Ive been reading lately remind me that theres another major Obama initiative that is the subject of similar delusions: the promotion of green energy. Everyone on the right knows that the stimulus-linked efforts to promote solar and wind were a bust Solyndra! Solyndra! Benghazi! and in general they still seem to regard renewables as hippie-dippy stuff that will never go anywhere.
So it comes as something of a shock when you look at the actual data, and discover that solar and wind energy consumption has tripled under Obama.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/07/14/invisible-green-triumphs/
PatrickforO
(14,604 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)MH1
(17,635 posts)PatrickforO
(14,604 posts)about TPP. It is a bald giveaway of the power of elected local and state officials, has no protections for labor or for the environment and like other 'free trade' agreements will end up costing the United States millions of good jobs. That's why when Obama started touting it, I wondered, what is he THINKING???
Seems like a lot of other progressive people asked the same question, given the opposition he's faced from his own party.
MH1
(17,635 posts)or in other words, maybe you should figure out how to "get over" TPP (your words) because this president does OTHER things that are much better than the republican would.
If you're going to get TPP-like stuff regardless, we ought to be looking at the differentiators, don't you think?
And like randome says below, given that Obama is pretty good on all this other stuff, maybe there's something we don't know about TPP.
But either way, I don't see what the point is of bringing up TPP on a thread about Obama's contribution on the environmental front.
PatrickforO
(14,604 posts)if you read the WikiLeaks versions of the actual TPP show quite definitely that environmental regulations can and will be compromised at the national, state and local levels with TPP's ISDS provisions.
You should note that I (or other posters) can and will bring up things we think relevant on any thread.
randome
(34,845 posts)...that maybe I'm not as knowledgeable about the complexities of the TPP as I thought.
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PatrickforO
(14,604 posts)TPP is SO bad in terms of its potential to compromise our environmental regulations at the national, state and local levels that it must necessarily be set alongside any environmental positives from this administration to really get a fair perspective on Obama as a 'green' president.