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http://www.channel4.com/news/queen-royal-family-nazi-salute-edward-viii-adolf-hitlerBuckingham Palace says it is "disappointing" The Sun newspaper has released a film showing the Queen and Queen mother giving Nazi salutes around 1933.
The Queen, who was then aged six or seven, is shown at Balmoral raising her arm in a Nazi salute as she played alongside her sister Margaret, the Queen mother and her uncle Prince Edward.
A Buckingham Palace spokesman said: "It is disappointing that film, shot eight decades ago and apparently from Her Majesty's personal family archive, has been obtained and exploited in this manner."
The Sun's managing editor
The film lasts about 17 seconds, and shows the Queen Mother making a Nazi salute, then the Queen glancing towards her and mimicking the gesture.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)That's a tabloid.
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Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I mean, sweet Jeebus, she was 6 or 7. What use is this, other than to embarass her?
steve2470
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Adrahil
(13,340 posts)My parents were pretty racist, and I did some stupid racist shit before I was old enough to know better. You don't hold kids responsible for what they did when they were 6. And the sympathies some of the Windsors held for the Nazis is already well known. This isn't a revelation.
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Adrahil
(13,340 posts)1) in most cases, yes, but the majority of the time, the racism was not directed at an individual, And I was over it (as much as a teenage kid can get over such things by high school). In one paicular case, i never did apologize. The people involved were criminals, but i do regret the racial component of my reaction to them, even though i was just 11.
2) my parents got over it too. Buy the time I went to college, they had changed substantially.
And no, I don't feel guilty. I feel regret, but that's not the same. I was a kid, and had not fully formed as a rational being yet. As i matured, i rejected that philosophy and way of thinking. And yeah, once or two got into shouting matches with my parents when i to.d them not to use words like that around me. And ya know what? They came to overcome it too, at least as much as old people can. If i felt guilt for every asshole move i made in my life, i'd spend all my time feeling guilty and never do anything positive. Fuck that. Regret your actions, change them, and move the fuck on.
People like you make me embrassed of the left.
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Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Or may as well be one. Good bye!
cwydro
(51,308 posts)that appear to be intended to start a flame war.
I don't have an ignore list, but I intend to ignore the posts.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)and he got onto it by his 16th post, a new record.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Should be interesting.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)He's gone.
That was quick.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)I couldn't see your earlier one, of course, because my comment was nested below some of his. Now that he got booted, I can see both of yours.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)MIRT was on the ball today, as always.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)what a right-winger thinks anti-racism looks like.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)ya know?
Snow Leopard
(348 posts)It was 33, hitler was a rock star back then and wasn't known for racial genocide.
Matrosov
(1,098 posts)Also interesting that despite all the talk about Aryan supremacy, the Nazis were more than happy to ally with Arabs (Palestinians) and Asians (Japanese)
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Complete non sequitur.
The Sun publishes garbage on a regular basis.
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cwydro
(51,308 posts)But, ok.
I see you all over the board bringing race into every thread, so you have a fine time doing so.
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cwydro
(51,308 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)So I'm not suprised by him. Elizabeth was just a little girl and her mother might not have really known or understood what all was up in 1933. Just as well Edward wasn't king during WWII.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Very much a Nazi sympathizer, at least before the war.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)It was a very benign thing at the time. 1933.
ananda
(28,906 posts)It was never benign.
Not saluting Hitler. Reciting the pledge of allegiance.
Next you'll tell us the swastika was never a symbol of peace.
NutmegYankee
(16,207 posts)And was held in honor by most western cultures like other Roman symbols.
Look at the Eagle symbol for instance. Or short hair for men.
ananda
(28,906 posts)I had been thinking of Hitler as another Caesar all morning... probably because of the Heil Hitler being so derivative of Hail Caesar. I'm not surprised then about the similar symbology.
Thanks,
ananda
NutmegYankee
(16,207 posts)The first empire (for Germans) was the Holy Roman Empire (962-1806). The second was the German Empire (18711918). Hitler saw himself as "emperor".
As for the US flag salute, here's the story - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute
1939
(1,683 posts)I believe that the arm was more vertical in the Roman salute rather than a a forty-five degree angle as the Nazis did it.
NutmegYankee
(16,207 posts)Ancient artwork varies on the presentation. In the USA it was the Bellamy Salute or Flag Salute years before the fascists adopted it. This happens with many symbols. The swastika is a Hindu religious symbol, but is now reviled in the West. The raised or clenched fist is seen as a symbol of solidarity or worker/socialist power, but is also used by extreme white power groups.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)the oath. It is also used to pledge to the flag.
Pena Nieto for example
ananda
(28,906 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)alphafemale
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Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Tabloid rags just love to take things entirely out of historical context.
brooklynite
(94,974 posts)No matter who delivers it.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)spanone
(135,929 posts)80 freakin' years ago????
Takket
(21,703 posts)this was 1933, the same year hitler rose to power. the queen was 6. Even if the queen was an adult at the point, was there any reason to be offended by a Nazi salute in 1933? WW2 broke out in 1939. in 1933 was there any indication yet that the Nazis were going to end up where they did?
I feel like someone has just shown me a picture of Obama as a child going to a muslim school and they are telling me this proves he's a muslim.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)In 1933, most people around the world had only a vague idea about Hitler, the Nazis, racial purity, and all the rest. Many prominent Americans went to Germany, and came back praising the orderly, efficient way Hitler was running things.
Ilsa
(61,712 posts)And Elizabeth was a child. This was to sell newspapers, nothing more.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)When they could have fled.
The Sun, The Daily Mail, Huffington Post - tabloids with content intended only to stir the pot.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)Maybe the parents were Nazi sympathizers, but little kids don't know better. In the 30s, before anyone realized just how extreme the Nazis would prove to be, you had thousands of Americans in the German American Bund giving the Nazi salute, including little children. They even had summer camps for kids where the theme was how wonderful the Nazis and Hitler were. You also had thousands of Americans praising another bloodthirsty murderer, Stalin. The Sun apparently doesn't care about its reputation.
Kids' summer camp in upper New York State:
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)aping their elder's bad habits, but I do not criticise the child.
The fascist sympathies in the ruling classes of Great Britain and other nations during the 20's and 30's are not well known in the public mind, but should be.
Charlie Brown
(2,797 posts)I hope that doesn't call my character into question in 50 years.
Danmel
(4,943 posts)Orrex
(63,270 posts)She was a scheming little six-year-old, no mistake.
pnwmom
(109,024 posts)as the report said?