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busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:35 PM Jul 2015

Oh My Fking God!!! Unbelievable..

No Consequences fot executives who dumped beer on Native American Children at Hockey Game...

I mean, I just give up... The article goes on to explain how the kids now fear going off the reservation.Are you kidding me...A $500 fine? I am fucking numb..

From Think Progress:

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/07/22/3682962/lakota-57/

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Oh My Fking God!!! Unbelievable.. (Original Post) busterbrown Jul 2015 OP
This has to stop, really! haikugal Jul 2015 #1
Right???????????????????????? N/T busterbrown Jul 2015 #2
More... haikugal Jul 2015 #3
Seriously? The "talking stick"? n/t Beartracks Jul 2015 #20
Civil suit, maybe? tazkcmo Jul 2015 #4
It hurts to read this. MuseRider Jul 2015 #5
Yea.. I’m stunned..just stunned.. busterbrown Jul 2015 #7
I hope when that happens in 25 years MuseRider Jul 2015 #11
I think the next generation has plenty of Dylan Roofs to replace the old racists tblue37 Jul 2015 #65
Flames!!! I have flames coming out my ears! riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #6
I’m a techphobe.. Can we start a petition on D.U.? busterbrown Jul 2015 #9
Lol, well if even I can do it anyone can (but the admins here make it easy) riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #12
the poster asked about starting a petition, not about smilies. niyad Jul 2015 #14
I love it! Helpful post, wrong info.... haikugal Jul 2015 #34
and you replied to the wrong person Kali Jul 2015 #35
Who's on first? BlueJazz Jul 2015 #37
kind of, huh? Kali Jul 2015 #40
OK, open laugh now. Talk about miscommunication... riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #43
I can't even say what has raced through my mind. I'm probably not alone. BlueJazz Jul 2015 #44
Even though it took 70 years. lpbk2713 Jul 2015 #45
That IS funny! BlueJazz Jul 2015 #46
I didn’t get it at first... busterbrown Jul 2015 #56
Hey, theyre hifiguy Jul 2015 #8
Unbelievable Catherine Vincent Jul 2015 #10
Their actions should have been prosecuted as a hate crime, which I believe is Federal. panader0 Jul 2015 #13
hate crime, child abuse and several other things. niyad Jul 2015 #15
Yeah, well Obama's DOJ comes through yet again.. frylock Jul 2015 #19
I am sure they will come up with something any day now. zeemike Jul 2015 #28
Isn't it the case! We are so fucked in this country! Seriously fucked! haikugal Jul 2015 #36
Come on, Holder couldn't go after Bundy... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #66
I forgot about that. zeemike Jul 2015 #67
Federal hate crimes charges couldn't be applied in the case. Xithras Jul 2015 #61
This mornings story in LBN Omaha Steve Jul 2015 #16
Oddly enough someone posted a link a couple of days ago, re: First American deaths by cop. historylovr Jul 2015 #23
Well there's BLM who I'm sure are as committed to First Americans right? nt riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #31
That was horrible shenmue Jul 2015 #17
THIS minority Group has more hardships than glinda Jul 2015 #18
I can only imagine. historylovr Jul 2015 #24
And if Native American men had dumped beer on these executives' kids? Orrex Jul 2015 #21
Do we know the names of the perps yet? tia uponit7771 Jul 2015 #22
Sometimes I think shit like this is deliberate. zeemike Jul 2015 #25
It is. The game, at minimum, is to pee on fence-posts and reinforce dominance. n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #27
That sounds like the best guess. zeemike Jul 2015 #30
Like a really sick scavenger hunt for the elites? Juicy_Bellows Jul 2015 #29
long past time I think. zeemike Jul 2015 #33
Does anybody know what company they work for ? BlueJazz Jul 2015 #26
Oh I'm sure BLM is on it! nt riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #32
psst Kali Jul 2015 #38
Being facetious and figures you'd know it riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #41
There's a "O'Connell Construction" in Philip, SD. KansDem Jul 2015 #55
No words. Laffy Kat Jul 2015 #39
can you imagine the fucking ruckus Kali Jul 2015 #42
this IS a hate crime KT2000 Jul 2015 #47
I just can’t get over this... busterbrown Jul 2015 #48
I feel the same KT2000 Jul 2015 #49
Where's Billy Jack when you need him? deutsey Jul 2015 #50
Indeed. (And why does the punk in yellow look so much like G.W. Bush in college?) Buns_of_Fire Jul 2015 #60
How Exactly is this "Unbelievable" to Any US Citizen? TheSarcastinator Jul 2015 #51
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #52
Evil MFers. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #53
He was charged with "disorderly conduct" KansDem Jul 2015 #54
I find this whole thing as deplorable as anyone, it's a disgusting act, but ... brett_jv Jul 2015 #59
He hasn't been convicted yet. The judge could easily rule "not guilty." yellowcanine Jul 2015 #64
kick Angry Dragon Jul 2015 #57
A dangerous combo: drunk and racist. Dont call me Shirley Jul 2015 #58
I am Calling O' Connel Construction to Tell Them What I Think of Them McKim Jul 2015 #62
I'm truly DONE with all of this.. We're so fucked up! secondwind Jul 2015 #63
Fucking bigoted racist assholes. blackspade Jul 2015 #68
This behavior really doesn't surprise me... Deuce Jul 2015 #69

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
3. More...
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:56 PM
Jul 2015

This is pure racist crap...

After the incident, the Rapid City Police Department conducted an investigation and concluded three men were directly responsible. However, they only decided to charge one, Trace O’Connell, with disorderly conduct — a misdemeanor. And much to the chagrin of school administrators, federal prosecutors have not gotten involved, despite American Horse School being a federal institution.

Gloria Kitsopoulos is the superintendent and principal of the American Horse School and a member of the Lakota tribe. According to Kitsopoulos, the chief of police, city attorney, and state attorney drove to the school to explain the results of the investigation and deeply offended the parents and school officials who had assembled there.

“The first thing that really offended me was that they brought the communications guy from Rapid City with them and I gave him the microphone so he could talk to the people. He said, ‘if anyone wants to use the talking stick when I’m done, let me know,'” she told ThinkProgress. When the misdemeanor charge was announced, “nobody really said anything because [they] thought ‘okay that’s the first one, that’s probably the lesser charge.’ And that was it. Everybody was just dumbfounded.”

Parents were outraged and began to yell, at which point the chief of police approached Kitsopoulos and said, “I think we should leave. I’m fearing for her safety” and pointed to the female state attorney. Back in Rapid City, officers claimed they fled the reservation out of fear. But the superintendent maintains nobody was showing signs of aggression at the meeting.


Go to the link..
No justice, none!

tazkcmo

(7,306 posts)
4. Civil suit, maybe?
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:57 PM
Jul 2015

With the fine there is a guilty verdict. They need to lawyer up and sue the entitlement out of these a-holes.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
7. Yea.. I’m stunned..just stunned..
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 09:04 PM
Jul 2015

As for your question.. Only hope is that in 25 yrs the demographics will be different.. Less disgusting white racists..more diversified population..

MuseRider

(34,140 posts)
11. I hope when that happens in 25 years
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 09:09 PM
Jul 2015

these children have been able to get past this. If not the blowback after all these years is gonna hurt.

Still I don't really care about the blow back, I just want them to know that they are not what these men tried to make them feel like.

I hate these stories, I don't want to read them and I don't want to know about them yet we need to and actually you can't go a day without seeing at least one cruel, racist attack.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
6. Flames!!! I have flames coming out my ears!
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 09:00 PM
Jul 2015


Err, chin...or something. But still, this is wrong on so many levels.

I hope the civil suit reaps some justice.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
9. I’m a techphobe.. Can we start a petition on D.U.?
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 09:07 PM
Jul 2015

Someone tell me how to do that...Please.. I’m not the brightest bulb around here..

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
12. Lol, well if even I can do it anyone can (but the admins here make it easy)
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 09:12 PM
Jul 2015

when you open the "reply" box, there's the reply title line and under that are small ovals for bold, italicizes, etc. There's also one called "smilies". Hit that oval and voila! There they are. Select the smilie you like and it's automatically added into the body of your post.

Good luck!



Kali

(55,032 posts)
40. kind of, huh?
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 11:49 PM
Jul 2015

this story is so horrible, those "men" so disgusting.

I hope OP forgives this little distraction.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
43. OK, open laugh now. Talk about miscommunication...
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:01 AM
Jul 2015

(and I'm the prime example... )

Time for more caffeine or bed!

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
44. I can't even say what has raced through my mind. I'm probably not alone.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:02 AM
Jul 2015

I also hope the OP forgives this.
Maybe it's our way of diverting thoughts that nice people should not have.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
56. I didn’t get it at first...
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:42 PM
Jul 2015

Couldn’t read the name of #14...I was ready to ask an adult.. But most of my adult friends have passed!!

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
8. Hey, theyre
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 09:05 PM
Jul 2015

EXECUTIVES - you know, more important than the common rabble like us or those kids. You expect these superior beings to face consequences for their behavior when they are so obviously superior to everyone else? They're well-to-do job-creators, exalted beings, above the constraints of society.







needless to say, but that's the world we live in today.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
19. Yeah, well Obama's DOJ comes through yet again..
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 10:25 PM
Jul 2015

they're still probably trying to figure out how to handle the Bundy Ranch standoff.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
28. I am sure they will come up with something any day now.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 11:25 PM
Jul 2015

The Bundy Ranch thing was a complicated issue you know...and now that Holder is gone they have to start all over again.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
66. Come on, Holder couldn't go after Bundy...
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:05 PM
Jul 2015

he had much more important things to do, like investigate FIFA. (just in case)

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
61. Federal hate crimes charges couldn't be applied in the case.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:25 PM
Jul 2015

The federal hate crime statute only applies to actions that cause bodily injury or death, or which are deliberately attempting to do so, and specifically excludes actions leading to emotional or psychological harm. The slurs these guys were yelling didn't qualify, and getting someone wet doesn't qualify as "bodily injury" under the federal definition. It may qualify as assault under state law, but the federal definition requires actual physical damage, physical pain, or impairment.

historylovr

(1,557 posts)
23. Oddly enough someone posted a link a couple of days ago, re: First American deaths by cop.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 10:53 PM
Jul 2015

Which had some disturbing, and over-looked, statistics.

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/native-americans-getting-shot-police

Earlier today I found this in a source I read from time to time:

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2015/07/20/native-lives-matter-community-seeks-funding-funeral-burial-man-killed-denver-police

The Indian Country Today article also has a link to help pay for the burial of Paul Castaway, and to help his mother.

Stuff like this is all too believable. sigh

glinda

(14,807 posts)
18. THIS minority Group has more hardships than
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 10:24 PM
Jul 2015

anyone should EVER have to bare. I have spent much time going to funerals and events on Reservations and I cannot tell you what I have seen.

Orrex

(63,295 posts)
21. And if Native American men had dumped beer on these executives' kids?
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 10:45 PM
Jul 2015

I'm sure it would be the same $500 fine.

Sure!

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
25. Sometimes I think shit like this is deliberate.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 11:15 PM
Jul 2015

I don't know what the game is but it sure seems like there is one.

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
29. Like a really sick scavenger hunt for the elites?
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 11:27 PM
Jul 2015

Hey, I just checked off punch an old lady in the face!

Nice,we just got pour beer all over Native American children!

Oh wow, that's a tough one!



Seriously, there are a lot of sociopaths out there and it's time we stop celebrating their philosophy.

Kali

(55,032 posts)
38. psst
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 11:46 PM
Jul 2015

you probably mean the BIA

the BLM is a public land management agency, although lately it is the Black Lives Matter movement. I have been confused several times with the headlines of late as I am way too familiar with the land agency out here in the west.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
41. Being facetious and figures you'd know it
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 11:52 PM
Jul 2015




I've currently got 5 BLM mustangs boarded here. All contracted for training for combined training (eventing). All of them broke for their owners here at my farm, all of them bought at BLM adoption sites.

I too have been having cognizant dissonance all week with the acronym.



I should have added a sarcasm emoticon...

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
55. There's a "O'Connell Construction" in Philip, SD.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:27 PM
Jul 2015

About 85 miles from Rapid City.

Trace O'Connell is a heavy-equipment operator

According to business databases, O'Connell Construction has 4 employees and a revenue for $1,000,000.

Kali

(55,032 posts)
42. can you imagine the fucking ruckus
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 11:58 PM
Jul 2015

those assholes would have raised if the situation was reversed? people would have been jailed then and there.

KT2000

(20,605 posts)
47. this IS a hate crime
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:42 AM
Jul 2015

feds must become involved.
These are child abusers to boot.
All three must be made to apologize to every child in person. This is going to be affect them the rest of their lives.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
48. I just can’t get over this...
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:40 AM
Jul 2015

Just came home from a concert..1st thing I did was to get on DU so I could get some comfort from you guys..My concert was ruined tonight by these racist scumbags who needed to scare the shit out of some Native American children.. Not that my concert was that important in the first place..but little kids being attacked by vile white adults? No words..

TheSarcastinator

(854 posts)
51. How Exactly is this "Unbelievable" to Any US Citizen?
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:27 PM
Jul 2015

It seems perfectly predictable to me. Why would you expect outrage over an event like this when the men who led the slaughter and genocide of millions of members of the First Nations are enshrined in every public school as heroes and geniuses?

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
54. He was charged with "disorderly conduct"
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:03 PM
Jul 2015

Should have been assault.

An assault is carried out by a threat of bodily harm coupled with an apparent, present ability to cause the harm. It is both a crime and a tort and, therefore, may result in either criminal and/or civil liability. Generally, the common law definition is the same in criminal and tort law.

brett_jv

(1,245 posts)
59. I find this whole thing as deplorable as anyone, it's a disgusting act, but ...
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:20 PM
Jul 2015

Calling this dick move on their part "assault" is a big stretch, legally, and I doubt there's a DA in the world that would want to take that to court, esp. against people with 'means'.

And I also doubt there's any precedence for adding a 'Hate Crime' penalty ... on top of a 'disorderly conduct' charge.

That's why the penalty is so minimal.

I mean, yeah, it'd be NICE if we could 'legally' penalize the jerks more severely, but the law is not 'on our side'. Not much sense (IMHO) in freaking out over that aspect of things.

As some have mentioned ... suing the b'jesus out of the assholes is going to be the best shot both these kids and 'society' have at meting out something approaching 'proper' justice.

And honestly, I think that's probably how it should be.

yellowcanine

(35,705 posts)
64. He hasn't been convicted yet. The judge could easily rule "not guilty."
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 04:36 PM
Jul 2015

I read the testimony. The case against O'Connell is not that strong. Reasonable doubt and all that. It doesn't sound like a deliberate pouring of beer even with the testimony of the school children and the chaperones - no one said they had beer poured on them. They all talked about "drops" of beer. I think that it could have been deliberate but I seriously doubt the judge will think there is enough evidence for that conclusion. There was boorish behavior coming from that group - no question. But boorish behavior, even if directed at children is not a crime. I am not sure if public intoxication is a crime in this jurisdiction or not or if the evidence was collected to support that. I am a little disappointed that some type of restorative justice/mediation was not tried before going to the expense of a trial which might not yield a conviction. It is possible that these jerks could have been shamed into apologizing and paying some kind of restitution if they weren't lawyered up to defend a criminal charge. Maybe that could still happen but I sort of doubt it.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
62. I am Calling O' Connel Construction to Tell Them What I Think of Them
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:35 PM
Jul 2015

As a former Migrant and Indian Teacher, I am beyond words. These could have easily been my students! That's 605-859-2020.

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