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Stinky The Clown

(67,849 posts)
Thu May 31, 2012, 09:56 PM May 2012

In the picture he sure looks shitfaced. But was he? What do you think? Be honest.



I think he was, in fact, sloshed. But that's no indication that he really was. None of us were there and the news reports don't even suggest it.

So . . . . what do you think? Was he or wasn't he?
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11 (34%)
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In the picture he sure looks shitfaced. But was he? What do you think? Be honest. (Original Post) Stinky The Clown May 2012 OP
Who cares, really? Our better President was being gracious; babylonsister May 2012 #1
I agree with you. Time to move on. He is out of office. President Obama was a gracious host. southernyankeebelle May 2012 #3
I wish I could move on, but I was reading Naomi Kleins, "The Shock Doctrine" again and Cleita May 2012 #7
If it were up to me Cheney would be in jail. I think he was the real president. The problem is the southernyankeebelle May 2012 #9
IMHO thats just his "I love clowning around" face. HereSince1628 May 2012 #2
Same old W, he always just looks goofy to me. Laurian May 2012 #4
i think he was just being his regular jackass self. dionysus May 2012 #5
Sober. I have years of pictures of myself in which I looked drunk. I wasn't. Why virgogal May 2012 #6
It's not. What is of interest to me, and has been since he lied this country into war, is sabrina 1 May 2012 #8
Opinions of Bush do not supersede protocol RZM May 2012 #22
That wasn't my point. He should have been prosecuted, then there would have sabrina 1 May 2012 #24
I've said this many times RZM May 2012 #26
Most here would say no? grasswire Jun 2012 #29
Right now I'd guess that 70 percent of DU would support a prosecution RZM Jun 2012 #37
Just as I suspected. grasswire Jun 2012 #64
Well this is a political message board on the internet RZM Jun 2012 #66
I wouldn't feel any satisfaction about seeing war criminals on trial, I would prefer sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #30
It is basically the case that no US President will ever be tried for war crimes Hippo_Tron Jun 2012 #72
Well, that needs to change. It appears to be the reason why we are getting into so many sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #73
Even That Wouldn't Be Good Enough... KharmaTrain Jun 2012 #49
A couple years ago my GF posted a photo of us on facebook RZM May 2012 #15
I agree, I don't think we can tell from a still treestar Jun 2012 #57
"and the news reports don't even suggest it." ManyShadesOf May 2012 #10
I'd rather see him being himself Shankapotomus May 2012 #11
He doesn't look different bongbong May 2012 #12
A giant doofus... sendero May 2012 #13
I don't think Bush has fallen off of the wagon RZM May 2012 #14
"Falling off the wagon" implies that he was ever on it. Frank Cannon May 2012 #18
None of those pics indicate he was drunk RZM May 2012 #20
It's kinder to assume he was drunk that to believe that he was sober during the disastrous sabrina 1 May 2012 #25
I've never seen any evidence to indicate that Bush broke his sobriety RZM May 2012 #27
What about the infamous pretzels picture?? Major Hogwash Jun 2012 #31
Don't even get me started on the infamous pretzel incident. Frank Cannon Jun 2012 #45
No shit. Major Hogwash Jun 2012 #62
No one will ever convince me that Chimpy wasn't hifiguy Jun 2012 #63
I'll hate that motherfucker for anything, has done, hasn't done, going to do, not going to do. lonestarnot Jun 2012 #34
There's no arguing. It's hatred that comes from the heart and not the head. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #35
Like I said, he's goofy as hell RZM Jun 2012 #36
You want the cake and eat it too! Bluenorthwest Jun 2012 #55
I think you're absolutely right that it's not about drinking RZM Jun 2012 #59
That picture of Bush at the baseball game is a classic!! Major Hogwash Jun 2012 #33
He was actually at the Beijing Olympics... pacalo Jun 2012 #41
Yeah, looks like you are right. Major Hogwash Jun 2012 #60
Add this one... pacalo Jun 2012 #39
This treestar Jun 2012 #58
Hes got a "ranch" in Texas obscured by hundreds of feet of scrub brush, remember? Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #69
drunk Bombero1956 May 2012 #16
Drunk? Mos Def. Hammertime! nt left coaster May 2012 #17
A little too much Xanax taught_me_patience May 2012 #19
Laura looks like she's holding him up. If she let go...he'd fall flat on his face. Auntie Bush May 2012 #21
That's what I'm seeing. Lugnut Jun 2012 #38
Is he actually LEANING on that frame to avoid passing out & falling over? Ken Burch May 2012 #23
"It had brought melancholy across his passions. Its mere memory had marred many moments of joy. rug May 2012 #28
That is one outstanding quote, rug. Very poetic. pacalo Jun 2012 #40
I think I'm going to puke! lonestarnot Jun 2012 #32
Shitfaced madokie Jun 2012 #42
Who knows, who cares, at this point. He always looked about half drunk to me, anyway. Arkansas Granny Jun 2012 #43
2 1000 Words Jun 2012 #44
To me he has the look of early dementia mainer Jun 2012 #46
That's exactly what crossed my mind. MerryBlooms Jun 2012 #47
I would like to think sober. HappyMe Jun 2012 #48
Other: he always looks drunk. nt Javaman Jun 2012 #50
Hi coke-jaw tic was out in full force every time he smiled. Greybnk48 Jun 2012 #51
wit him it's hard to tell, JitterbugPerfume Jun 2012 #52
He didn't throw up on anybody, so that's a plus. Buns_of_Fire Jun 2012 #53
Either way, Laura is making sure Mira Jun 2012 #54
A giant marionette with no puppeteer.... Junkdrawer Jun 2012 #56
His dad, old man Bush, was the puppetmaster, pulling his strings. Major Hogwash Jun 2012 #61
Aah, for God's sake! Yeah, he got shit-faced knowing his every move and word would be recorded ... 11 Bravo Jun 2012 #65
+10.5 cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #68
In the photo, he does look off-kilter. sakabatou Jun 2012 #67
It looks like it, but I hope not ecstatic Jun 2012 #70
Anyone who saw the video of the event knows he was not drunk. former9thward Jun 2012 #71

babylonsister

(171,113 posts)
1. Who cares, really? Our better President was being gracious;
Thu May 31, 2012, 09:58 PM
May 2012

the Bushs were gracious. Sorry, non-issue to me. I never wanted to see that clown again, but it was done in good taste.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
7. I wish I could move on, but I was reading Naomi Kleins, "The Shock Doctrine" again and
Thu May 31, 2012, 10:19 PM
May 2012

going over the damage he and his administration did about 9-11, Iraq, Katrina and the fallout all of us are still suffering from today because of greed and criminal stupidity, which all end up finally on that man, I'm just flabbergasted that he is being honored and not put in handcuffs by this administration instead. I don't really blame President Obama because he has to be presidential but that dick and the other Dick (Cheney) really should be living in shame if not in a prison cell.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
9. If it were up to me Cheney would be in jail. I think he was the real president. The problem is the
Thu May 31, 2012, 10:26 PM
May 2012

book by Ms Klein has been out a long time. The dems could of and should of done something. Both parties are in bed together. It's just a matter of who screws us the least.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
5. i think he was just being his regular jackass self.
Thu May 31, 2012, 10:07 PM
May 2012

i doubt his handlers wouldhave allowed him to do that drunk. medicated, perhaps.

 

virgogal

(10,178 posts)
6. Sober. I have years of pictures of myself in which I looked drunk. I wasn't. Why
Thu May 31, 2012, 10:16 PM
May 2012

is this even of interest to anyone?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
8. It's not. What is of interest to me, and has been since he lied this country into war, is
Thu May 31, 2012, 10:22 PM
May 2012

he is being celebrated, praised and entertained as if he ever was a legitimate president, when he should have been investigated and prosecuted for war crimes.

I thought we would at least not have to endure seeing him treated like a celebrity when we won the 2008 election.

Not a good image imo, to be seen with someone who is regarded widely as war criminal around the world.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
22. Opinions of Bush do not supersede protocol
Thu May 31, 2012, 11:25 PM
May 2012

Like it or not, he was president. And presidents get their portrait installed in the WH in a ceremony with the sitting president, who is often from the other party.

When Obama is no longer in office he'll have his portrait installed. And the sitting president will likely be the image of grace and hospitality. That's how they do things at the WH. It shouldn't be any different for Bush.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
24. That wasn't my point. He should have been prosecuted, then there would have
Thu May 31, 2012, 11:42 PM
May 2012

been no need to treat him with respect that he is not due, nor has he earned. I don't find it impressive to be civil to war criminals. So I commented on it. I am well aware of the information you provided, which is part of the problem imho.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
26. I've said this many times
Thu May 31, 2012, 11:46 PM
May 2012

Prosecuting Bush would be poison for the Democratic Party. It would flip the Senate, the WH and greatly increase the Republican edge in the House. Is that worth the moral satisfaction of trying Bush for war crimes (note that I said trying - a conviction would not be guaranteed)?

Most here would say no. The satisfaction that you would feel from Bush on trial would be outweighed by the Republican policies you lived under because of the blowback from that same trial.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
29. Most here would say no?
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 12:07 AM
Jun 2012

What data do you have to support that?

And what data do you have for your assumption "It would flip the Senate, the WH and greatly increase the Republican edge in the house?"

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
37. Right now I'd guess that 70 percent of DU would support a prosecution
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 01:38 AM
Jun 2012

But once it was discussed as a policy option, real polling would put it well below 50 percent. Probably in the 25 percent range. And then support for it on DU would drop, probably down to close to 50 percent.

It's a political loser, plain and simple. If it were a winner, the Democrats would have done it. It would be an unprecedented event in American history and the right would milk it for all it was worth. It would generate enormous sympathy for Bush and the Republicans and lead to a Republican electoral sweep. Mark my words, this isn't a winner and that's why it will never happen.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
64. Just as I suspected.
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 07:12 PM
Jun 2012

Totally your own opinion. No data to support it. And yet you state it as fact, and claim to speak for millions of others.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
66. Well this is a political message board on the internet
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 07:21 PM
Jun 2012

You're going to encounter an opinion every now and then.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
30. I wouldn't feel any satisfaction about seeing war criminals on trial, I would prefer
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 12:31 AM
Jun 2012

we never had to think about it. I'm talking about justice, you're talking about politics. There are millions of victims here, and I do not agree that the Senate would have flipped. We don't know that, the public has no idea of the extent of the lies they were told, or the consequences to many innocent victims. Were they to get a dose of the facts, as happened with Nixon, why do you have so little faith in the people's sense of justice?

But basically what you are saying is that no US president can ever be prosecuted for crimes, no matter how serious they are because we can't risk the political fallout. Do you realize the implications of that? We DO have a class of people who are above the law. So there are no restraints on someone once they reach the WH at all. They can commit all the crimes they want with zero consequences. A lawless country.

Hippo_Tron

(25,453 posts)
72. It is basically the case that no US President will ever be tried for war crimes
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 10:34 PM
Jun 2012

Technically they could but they never will. Remember, Ford pardoned Nixon only for matters pertaining to Watergate. The Carter Administration could've put him on trial for Cambodia, not to mention huge abuses of surveillance powers. But as a general precedent, we don't put Presidents on trial for abuses of power. We put them on trial when they commit petty crimes that ordinary people are capable of committing.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
73. Well, that needs to change. It appears to be the reason why we are getting into so many
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 12:10 AM
Jun 2012

illegal wars, why torture is permitted, war crimes committed with impunity. There are no consequences. This is a huge problem that needs to be fixed. To just accept it, that a criminal can get to the WH and have no fear of consequences for his/her crimes, is shameful and frightening.

And until it is fixed, it would be best not to make the claim that 'we are a country of laws, not men' because clearly we are the opposite, we are a lawless country. The other reason why this needs to be fixed is that it conceivable if this becomes accepted, that outside entities will do what we are failing to do.

But, there is no official declaration that a US president is immune from prosecution for crimes. Until there is, I will assume we have not sunk that level, at least officially.

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
49. Even That Wouldn't Be Good Enough...
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 07:51 AM
Jun 2012

I doubt there's anyone here who doesn't think that booooosh and his cabal were war criminals and in the perfect, ideal world he wouldn't have ever come near power yet lied this country and the world into war. That said, you're spot on about how an impeachment or POLITICAL prosecution would backfire on Democrats but you're fighting a negative here as those who are convinced he'd be convicted will never be proven wrong cause they'll never be proven right. Even then...if there were a trial, I'd expect a segment here would still be pissed off should booooosh get anything less than hanging from a yardarm and any type of acquital would send this place into total meltdown.

Booooooooooosh's legacy is not only denounced by Democrats but even his own corrupt and inept party wants little to do with him. To me he looks like a bitter, lonely frat boy whose "friends" have moved on as he no longer is of use to them.

Cheers...

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
15. A couple years ago my GF posted a photo of us on facebook
Thu May 31, 2012, 10:54 PM
May 2012

I called a friend of mine not long after and she said:

'Were you high in that pic, because you looked really high'

I was stone sober in the pic. The pic was snapped in mid-blink and my eyelids were half-closed. Looking at the pic it really does seem like I was messed up, but I wasn't.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
13. A giant doofus...
Thu May 31, 2012, 10:46 PM
May 2012

... is a giant doofus. As it was shall it ever be. The fact that a country would almost elect a giant doofus to be their leader speaks volumes and what else can be said?

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
14. I don't think Bush has fallen off of the wagon
Thu May 31, 2012, 10:51 PM
May 2012

If he had, it would have been scooped by the tabloids and we'd know about it.

He's a goofy looking mofo. I think it's easy to mistake that for being intoxicated.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
18. "Falling off the wagon" implies that he was ever on it.
Thu May 31, 2012, 11:15 PM
May 2012

And I don't think he ever was, not for one day.




 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
20. None of those pics indicate he was drunk
Thu May 31, 2012, 11:18 PM
May 2012

I'm not sure what's going on with the first, but I would give him the benefit of the doubt. When your every move is photographed, you are going to be caught in some awkward poses.

And the second two are perfectly normal. His infamous Merkel massage was his trademark awkwardness and the third photo is completely normal. I'm guessing both you and I have given similar facial expressions in the last month. The difference is that nobody was snapping pics of us.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
25. It's kinder to assume he was drunk that to believe that he was sober during the disastrous
Thu May 31, 2012, 11:44 PM
May 2012

eight years of his administraion. At least that would explain some of the criminal behavior he engaged in and the lies.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
27. I've never seen any evidence to indicate that Bush broke his sobriety
Thu May 31, 2012, 11:49 PM
May 2012

I think that the accusations that he's fallen off the wagon constitute uninteresting Bush-hating speculation. There's no evidence of it at all. It's simply a stand-in for 'I don't like Bush.'

I see no reason to dislike Bush on stuff he hasn't done when there's no shortage of stuff he has done that we can criticize.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
45. Don't even get me started on the infamous pretzel incident.
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 06:32 AM
Jun 2012

Our ex-president would be the first person in history not wearing diapers to have passed out choking on a Rold Gold.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
62. No shit.
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 04:42 PM
Jun 2012

Saturday Night Live even did a skit about it.

I'd like to see anyone deny that Bush wasn't totally blasted in that last picture that you put up.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
63. No one will ever convince me that Chimpy wasn't
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 04:44 PM
Jun 2012

hammered to the max in those Olympics pictures. Skunk-drunk, falling-down polluted to the gills.

He may have just had a terrible hangover yesterday. One can look just as drunk as you were the night before with a bad hangover.

 

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)
34. I'll hate that motherfucker for anything, has done, hasn't done, going to do, not going to do.
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 12:51 AM
Jun 2012

Whatever!

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
35. There's no arguing. It's hatred that comes from the heart and not the head.
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 01:00 AM
Jun 2012

I can't say as I blame those people who cling to their hope that he was drunk today.

I heard him speak, albeit after the fact and on TV, but he didn't sound drunk to me regardless of how he looked.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
36. Like I said, he's goofy as hell
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 01:34 AM
Jun 2012

I've never seen or heard a clip of him where he looked the slightest bit drunk to me.

Goofy, yes. But drunk? No.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
55. You want the cake and eat it too!
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 10:34 AM
Jun 2012

When known criminals are allowed to go without any accountability, you can expect to hear any and all sorts of mockery and derision toward that criminal and toward all who assist him in his flipping the bird to the people. So as long as he does not get prosecuted you will probably hear all manner of trashing of GW. The trash talk is all that is left for the people to express our anger at the crimes he committed.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
33. That picture of Bush at the baseball game is a classic!!
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 12:51 AM
Jun 2012

It took 3 Secret Service agents to keep Bush from falling down.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
60. Yeah, looks like you are right.
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 04:34 PM
Jun 2012

I forgot where that picture was taken.
I forgot what a complete asshole Bush was when he was at the Olympics.

I'm still trying to forget.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
69. Hes got a "ranch" in Texas obscured by hundreds of feet of scrub brush, remember?
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 09:10 PM
Jun 2012

Its not like he's hitting the clubs in Manhattan. Plenty of space on Rancho Dumbo for him to get liquored in secret.

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
21. Laura looks like she's holding him up. If she let go...he'd fall flat on his face.
Thu May 31, 2012, 11:23 PM
May 2012

He looks like laundry hanging on a line.

Lugnut

(9,791 posts)
38. That's what I'm seeing.
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 01:48 AM
Jun 2012

I've seen the body language and that look on my dad's face after he indulged in two too many Christian Brothers shots. Gee Dub is trashed!

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
23. Is he actually LEANING on that frame to avoid passing out & falling over?
Thu May 31, 2012, 11:30 PM
May 2012

I realize that could just be the camera angle...but still.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
28. "It had brought melancholy across his passions. Its mere memory had marred many moments of joy.
Thu May 31, 2012, 11:49 PM
May 2012

It had been like conscience to him. Yes, it had been conscience. He would destroy it."
- Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray Ch. 20

madokie

(51,076 posts)
42. Shitfaced
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:51 AM
Jun 2012

Three sheets to the wind, however you want to put it. This coming from someone who spent a goodly portion of my time in that same state. It took becoming a grandfather for me to see the light so maybe there is still a chance that w can rehabilitate himself. In that picture that man has the contents of a better part of a good sized glass container running though his veins. Pickles on the other hand has the purple footballs helping her deal with both he and life.

Arkansas Granny

(31,545 posts)
43. Who knows, who cares, at this point. He always looked about half drunk to me, anyway.
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 04:47 AM
Jun 2012

I'm just happy that I don't have to see his face or hear his voice everyday.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
48. I would like to think sober.
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 07:37 AM
Jun 2012

I have pictures of people that were stone cold sober, and yet, they look buzzed.
I wasn't there. He's kind of looking down at one reporter or another. Who knows what that person said to him.

Hey, the shrub was the worst. But he's not in office anymore, so other than dumping a host of problems on Obama, I'm moving on from this.

Greybnk48

(10,183 posts)
51. Hi coke-jaw tic was out in full force every time he smiled.
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 09:36 AM
Jun 2012

Go look at footage. Whenever he grins his jaw starts jerking around.

JitterbugPerfume

(18,183 posts)
52. wit him it's hard to tell,
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 09:46 AM
Jun 2012

but the Obamas were gracious.

I think he was sloshed and she was stoned, but that is just my disgust with them shining through.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,218 posts)
53. He didn't throw up on anybody, so that's a plus.
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 09:52 AM
Jun 2012

Although he DOES have that look of wanting to jump someone's bones in the front row. Maybe that's why Laura is holding him back -- after all, going at it like rabid weasels is usually frowned upon at such an occasion.

Mira

(22,382 posts)
54. Either way, Laura is making sure
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 09:59 AM
Jun 2012

he remains upright.
I swear it LOOKS like she is in a practiced way preventing a full face fall on the floor.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
61. His dad, old man Bush, was the puppetmaster, pulling his strings.
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 04:40 PM
Jun 2012

And when the old man dies, there will be quite a few books that will be published that will explain just what kind of traitor his dad was.
And how the shit we are enduring now started with his old man in 1980.
You'll see.

I can't wait for old man Bush to kick the bucket.

11 Bravo

(23,928 posts)
65. Aah, for God's sake! Yeah, he got shit-faced knowing his every move and word would be recorded ...
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 07:20 PM
Jun 2012

and broadcast to the country that same night. There are times when I am troubled that I have ideologically aligned myself with more than a few fucking imbeciles.

ecstatic

(32,814 posts)
70. It looks like it, but I hope not
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 09:48 PM
Jun 2012

Being caught in the cycle of alcoholism must be a horrible feeling, and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

former9thward

(32,179 posts)
71. Anyone who saw the video of the event knows he was not drunk.
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 10:01 PM
Jun 2012

I can take a picture of anyone and make them look demented or drunk. No great skill. I think it is juvenile to accuse Bush of being drunk when there are so many other real things to criticize him for.

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