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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIn the picture he sure looks shitfaced. But was he? What do you think? Be honest.
I think he was, in fact, sloshed. But that's no indication that he really was. None of us were there and the news reports don't even suggest it.
So . . . . what do you think? Was he or wasn't he?
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babylonsister
(171,113 posts)the Bushs were gracious. Sorry, non-issue to me. I never wanted to see that clown again, but it was done in good taste.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)going over the damage he and his administration did about 9-11, Iraq, Katrina and the fallout all of us are still suffering from today because of greed and criminal stupidity, which all end up finally on that man, I'm just flabbergasted that he is being honored and not put in handcuffs by this administration instead. I don't really blame President Obama because he has to be presidential but that dick and the other Dick (Cheney) really should be living in shame if not in a prison cell.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)book by Ms Klein has been out a long time. The dems could of and should of done something. Both parties are in bed together. It's just a matter of who screws us the least.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)It made him a fun frat bro and a charming cheer leader.
Laurian
(2,593 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)i doubt his handlers wouldhave allowed him to do that drunk. medicated, perhaps.
virgogal
(10,178 posts)is this even of interest to anyone?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)he is being celebrated, praised and entertained as if he ever was a legitimate president, when he should have been investigated and prosecuted for war crimes.
I thought we would at least not have to endure seeing him treated like a celebrity when we won the 2008 election.
Not a good image imo, to be seen with someone who is regarded widely as war criminal around the world.
RZM
(8,556 posts)Like it or not, he was president. And presidents get their portrait installed in the WH in a ceremony with the sitting president, who is often from the other party.
When Obama is no longer in office he'll have his portrait installed. And the sitting president will likely be the image of grace and hospitality. That's how they do things at the WH. It shouldn't be any different for Bush.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)been no need to treat him with respect that he is not due, nor has he earned. I don't find it impressive to be civil to war criminals. So I commented on it. I am well aware of the information you provided, which is part of the problem imho.
RZM
(8,556 posts)Prosecuting Bush would be poison for the Democratic Party. It would flip the Senate, the WH and greatly increase the Republican edge in the House. Is that worth the moral satisfaction of trying Bush for war crimes (note that I said trying - a conviction would not be guaranteed)?
Most here would say no. The satisfaction that you would feel from Bush on trial would be outweighed by the Republican policies you lived under because of the blowback from that same trial.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)What data do you have to support that?
And what data do you have for your assumption "It would flip the Senate, the WH and greatly increase the Republican edge in the house?"
RZM
(8,556 posts)But once it was discussed as a policy option, real polling would put it well below 50 percent. Probably in the 25 percent range. And then support for it on DU would drop, probably down to close to 50 percent.
It's a political loser, plain and simple. If it were a winner, the Democrats would have done it. It would be an unprecedented event in American history and the right would milk it for all it was worth. It would generate enormous sympathy for Bush and the Republicans and lead to a Republican electoral sweep. Mark my words, this isn't a winner and that's why it will never happen.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Totally your own opinion. No data to support it. And yet you state it as fact, and claim to speak for millions of others.
RZM
(8,556 posts)You're going to encounter an opinion every now and then.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)we never had to think about it. I'm talking about justice, you're talking about politics. There are millions of victims here, and I do not agree that the Senate would have flipped. We don't know that, the public has no idea of the extent of the lies they were told, or the consequences to many innocent victims. Were they to get a dose of the facts, as happened with Nixon, why do you have so little faith in the people's sense of justice?
But basically what you are saying is that no US president can ever be prosecuted for crimes, no matter how serious they are because we can't risk the political fallout. Do you realize the implications of that? We DO have a class of people who are above the law. So there are no restraints on someone once they reach the WH at all. They can commit all the crimes they want with zero consequences. A lawless country.
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)Technically they could but they never will. Remember, Ford pardoned Nixon only for matters pertaining to Watergate. The Carter Administration could've put him on trial for Cambodia, not to mention huge abuses of surveillance powers. But as a general precedent, we don't put Presidents on trial for abuses of power. We put them on trial when they commit petty crimes that ordinary people are capable of committing.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)illegal wars, why torture is permitted, war crimes committed with impunity. There are no consequences. This is a huge problem that needs to be fixed. To just accept it, that a criminal can get to the WH and have no fear of consequences for his/her crimes, is shameful and frightening.
And until it is fixed, it would be best not to make the claim that 'we are a country of laws, not men' because clearly we are the opposite, we are a lawless country. The other reason why this needs to be fixed is that it conceivable if this becomes accepted, that outside entities will do what we are failing to do.
But, there is no official declaration that a US president is immune from prosecution for crimes. Until there is, I will assume we have not sunk that level, at least officially.
KharmaTrain
(31,706 posts)I doubt there's anyone here who doesn't think that booooosh and his cabal were war criminals and in the perfect, ideal world he wouldn't have ever come near power yet lied this country and the world into war. That said, you're spot on about how an impeachment or POLITICAL prosecution would backfire on Democrats but you're fighting a negative here as those who are convinced he'd be convicted will never be proven wrong cause they'll never be proven right. Even then...if there were a trial, I'd expect a segment here would still be pissed off should booooosh get anything less than hanging from a yardarm and any type of acquital would send this place into total meltdown.
Booooooooooosh's legacy is not only denounced by Democrats but even his own corrupt and inept party wants little to do with him. To me he looks like a bitter, lonely frat boy whose "friends" have moved on as he no longer is of use to them.
Cheers...
RZM
(8,556 posts)I called a friend of mine not long after and she said:
'Were you high in that pic, because you looked really high'
I was stone sober in the pic. The pic was snapped in mid-blink and my eyelids were half-closed. Looking at the pic it really does seem like I was messed up, but I wasn't.
treestar
(82,383 posts)We need video!
ManyShadesOf
(639 posts)Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)than trying to fake his way through the presidency of the United States.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)Than he did for 8 long years. Drunk every day.
sendero
(28,552 posts)... is a giant doofus. As it was shall it ever be. The fact that a country would almost elect a giant doofus to be their leader speaks volumes and what else can be said?
RZM
(8,556 posts)If he had, it would have been scooped by the tabloids and we'd know about it.
He's a goofy looking mofo. I think it's easy to mistake that for being intoxicated.
Frank Cannon
(7,570 posts)And I don't think he ever was, not for one day.
RZM
(8,556 posts)I'm not sure what's going on with the first, but I would give him the benefit of the doubt. When your every move is photographed, you are going to be caught in some awkward poses.
And the second two are perfectly normal. His infamous Merkel massage was his trademark awkwardness and the third photo is completely normal. I'm guessing both you and I have given similar facial expressions in the last month. The difference is that nobody was snapping pics of us.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)eight years of his administraion. At least that would explain some of the criminal behavior he engaged in and the lies.
RZM
(8,556 posts)I think that the accusations that he's fallen off the wagon constitute uninteresting Bush-hating speculation. There's no evidence of it at all. It's simply a stand-in for 'I don't like Bush.'
I see no reason to dislike Bush on stuff he hasn't done when there's no shortage of stuff he has done that we can criticize.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)I guess that was just a dream, too.
Frank Cannon
(7,570 posts)Our ex-president would be the first person in history not wearing diapers to have passed out choking on a Rold Gold.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Saturday Night Live even did a skit about it.
I'd like to see anyone deny that Bush wasn't totally blasted in that last picture that you put up.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)hammered to the max in those Olympics pictures. Skunk-drunk, falling-down polluted to the gills.
He may have just had a terrible hangover yesterday. One can look just as drunk as you were the night before with a bad hangover.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Whatever!
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)I can't say as I blame those people who cling to their hope that he was drunk today.
I heard him speak, albeit after the fact and on TV, but he didn't sound drunk to me regardless of how he looked.
RZM
(8,556 posts)I've never seen or heard a clip of him where he looked the slightest bit drunk to me.
Goofy, yes. But drunk? No.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)When known criminals are allowed to go without any accountability, you can expect to hear any and all sorts of mockery and derision toward that criminal and toward all who assist him in his flipping the bird to the people. So as long as he does not get prosecuted you will probably hear all manner of trashing of GW. The trash talk is all that is left for the people to express our anger at the crimes he committed.
RZM
(8,556 posts)It's about expressing dislike.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)It took 3 Secret Service agents to keep Bush from falling down.
pacalo
(24,722 posts)& there are more pictures here at Gawker:
http://gawker.com/5035885/bush-looking-drunk-at-the-olympics
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)I forgot where that picture was taken.
I forgot what a complete asshole Bush was when he was at the Olympics.
I'm still trying to forget.
pacalo
(24,722 posts)Yes, he never was photogenic. Republicans don't seem to be.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Its not like he's hitting the clubs in Manhattan. Plenty of space on Rancho Dumbo for him to get liquored in secret.
Bombero1956
(3,539 posts)Pickles was holding him up.
left coaster
(1,093 posts)taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)So that people cannot smell it on his breath.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)He looks like laundry hanging on a line.
Lugnut
(9,791 posts)I've seen the body language and that look on my dad's face after he indulged in two too many Christian Brothers shots. Gee Dub is trashed!
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)I realize that could just be the camera angle...but still.
rug
(82,333 posts)It had been like conscience to him. Yes, it had been conscience. He would destroy it."
- Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray Ch. 20
pacalo
(24,722 posts)And you say this was on Channel 20?
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)Three sheets to the wind, however you want to put it. This coming from someone who spent a goodly portion of my time in that same state. It took becoming a grandfather for me to see the light so maybe there is still a chance that w can rehabilitate himself. In that picture that man has the contents of a better part of a good sized glass container running though his veins. Pickles on the other hand has the purple footballs helping her deal with both he and life.
Arkansas Granny
(31,545 posts)I'm just happy that I don't have to see his face or hear his voice everyday.
1000 Words
(44 posts)mainer
(12,037 posts)Out in lala land because he's not sure where he is.
MerryBlooms
(11,778 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)I have pictures of people that were stone cold sober, and yet, they look buzzed.
I wasn't there. He's kind of looking down at one reporter or another. Who knows what that person said to him.
Hey, the shrub was the worst. But he's not in office anymore, so other than dumping a host of problems on Obama, I'm moving on from this.
Javaman
(62,540 posts)Greybnk48
(10,183 posts)Go look at footage. Whenever he grins his jaw starts jerking around.
JitterbugPerfume
(18,183 posts)but the Obamas were gracious.
I think he was sloshed and she was stoned, but that is just my disgust with them shining through.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,218 posts)Although he DOES have that look of wanting to jump someone's bones in the front row. Maybe that's why Laura is holding him back -- after all, going at it like rabid weasels is usually frowned upon at such an occasion.
Mira
(22,382 posts)he remains upright.
I swear it LOOKS like she is in a practiced way preventing a full face fall on the floor.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)Does it really matter?
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)And when the old man dies, there will be quite a few books that will be published that will explain just what kind of traitor his dad was.
And how the shit we are enduring now started with his old man in 1980.
You'll see.
I can't wait for old man Bush to kick the bucket.
11 Bravo
(23,928 posts)and broadcast to the country that same night. There are times when I am troubled that I have ideologically aligned myself with more than a few fucking imbeciles.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)sakabatou
(42,207 posts)ecstatic
(32,814 posts)Being caught in the cycle of alcoholism must be a horrible feeling, and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
former9thward
(32,179 posts)I can take a picture of anyone and make them look demented or drunk. No great skill. I think it is juvenile to accuse Bush of being drunk when there are so many other real things to criticize him for.