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Do you long for the time when America was the Greatest Nation in the World? (Original Post) TalkingDog Jun 2012 OP
And we blew up black churches and lynched black men in the south. Nope, I don't want to go back. 1-Old-Man Jun 2012 #1
Yay! Way to intentionally miss the point! Good for you, you can do snark. TalkingDog Jun 2012 #3
You were raised in the north, weren't you? 1-Old-Man Jun 2012 #9
Welcome Angry Dragon Jun 2012 #18
My first thought as well. AND many women were valium'd into obedience, Lionessa Jun 2012 #22
Were those things related to the tax rates? JHB Jun 2012 #23
defeated communism? CBGLuthier Jun 2012 #2
See my post to the first respondent above. And read the OP TalkingDog Jun 2012 #4
You wiggle, but no, your op title says clearly "Greatest Nation", not taxes. Lionessa Jun 2012 #24
I think he's referring to building the sort of economy that undermined the entire rationle... JHB Jun 2012 #25
And annihilated southeast Asian villages with gases and WMDS? marmar Jun 2012 #5
I think if you are trying to appeal to people who lean Tea Party in terms that they understand TalkingDog Jun 2012 #6
I very much acknowledge what we did well, but "appealing to people who lean Tea Party" ...... marmar Jun 2012 #7
Tax rates were only a small part of that success. The biggest factor, IMO, is the fact Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #8
It still is. Puzzledtraveller Jun 2012 #10
I'll take "Stop pissing away precious lives and money on other peoples' stupid tribal wars." slackmaster Jun 2012 #11
you want that back? have another WW2 datasuspect Jun 2012 #12
Well...it's not that simple Spider Jerusalem Jun 2012 #13
So America won the Vietnam war because the top rate of tax was 92%. Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #14
The Vietnam war was lost through poor military planning Angry Dragon Jun 2012 #17
There was also a widespread lack of commitment slackmaster Jun 2012 #19
Way to go, Talking! I think the best part of your post is your last sentence: raccoon Jun 2012 #15
Raise taxes on the wealthy Angry Dragon Jun 2012 #16
K&R tk2kewl Jun 2012 #20
Jingo bells, Jingo bells ... GeorgeGist Jun 2012 #21
In 1955 there were 24 tax brackets... JHB Jun 2012 #26

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
1. And we blew up black churches and lynched black men in the south. Nope, I don't want to go back.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 08:24 AM
Jun 2012

The cities burned. We were losing 200 troops a week in Viet Nam, the KKK operated openly, our roadways were death traps (as were our autos) and the seeds of new industry had already been planted in europe and asia that would put us out of business.

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
3. Yay! Way to intentionally miss the point! Good for you, you can do snark.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 08:26 AM
Jun 2012

Welcome to DU! You'll actually have fun when you figure out that stomping on people's posts is actually kinda rude and pointless.

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
9. You were raised in the north, weren't you?
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 09:00 AM
Jun 2012

Friend, there is no reason to jump on me. Your romantic remembrance of time is misguided or if not misguided at least ignorant of what was going on at the time. Oh, and thanks for the Welcome.

 

Lionessa

(3,894 posts)
22. My first thought as well. AND many women were valium'd into obedience,
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 12:44 PM
Jun 2012

and rape victims were at fault, and gay beatings went un-reported and un-accountable, yeah, the 50s and 60s were just peachy.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
2. defeated communism?
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 08:24 AM
Jun 2012

in the 50s and 60s?

You mean all those asians we killed? Yeah, that's really something to aspire to.

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
4. See my post to the first respondent above. And read the OP
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 08:28 AM
Jun 2012

It might clue you in as to what we are actually talking about here. Hint: TAXES

JHB

(37,166 posts)
25. I think he's referring to building the sort of economy that undermined the entire rationle...
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 12:53 PM
Jun 2012

...of communism. With not-to-be-forgotten exceptions, it transmitted prosperity widely rather than concentrating it among a few rich people, whereas countries that purported to have communist ideologies were police states. As opposed to post-Reagan, where the rich are gathering everything and using that excess to squeeze the rest of us even more.

I've been using that phrase in my sig line since 2001. It has nothing to do with wars in Asia.

marmar

(77,131 posts)
5. And annihilated southeast Asian villages with gases and WMDS?
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 08:28 AM
Jun 2012

"Greatness" is about more than economics. I agree with the return to those tax rates and infrastructure work, but the whole "Greatest Nation on Earth" thing is mythical. And defeating "communism" paved the way for predatory capitalism. Yay!!!

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
6. I think if you are trying to appeal to people who lean Tea Party in terms that they understand
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 08:32 AM
Jun 2012

which is "We're #1", then you have to frame the discussion within those bounds.

The post says nothing about returning to racism, gender oppression, or any of those things. So why bring them up?

Refusing to see and acknowledge what we've done well in that same time period is as much a blindness as refusing to see what we did wrong.

marmar

(77,131 posts)
7. I very much acknowledge what we did well, but "appealing to people who lean Tea Party" ......
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 08:34 AM
Jun 2012

...... is presenting success in one area (economics) and branding that "Greatest Nation in the World". Liberals tend to see issues in more complex terms, n'est-ce pas?


 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
8. Tax rates were only a small part of that success. The biggest factor, IMO, is the fact
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 08:35 AM
Jun 2012

that Big Business and government were still separate, competing entities. Of course they already had far too much influence over our government, but it hadn't evolved to the point where they could literally dictate terms. And it is also worth noting that this is also the time when they really started skewing the tax code for their exclusive benefit.

K&R

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
13. Well...it's not that simple
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 09:10 AM
Jun 2012

in the immediate postwar era much of Europe's manufacturing capacity was laid waste and recovering from the war, and European countries had the task of rebuilding to do; the US was undamaged by the war and its manufacturing facilities easily transitioned from war production to peacetime. Since then Germany and Japan have both recovered from the war and the US share of the world's total industrial output has declined greatly; it's never again going to be what it was then. Also in 1950 the US produced HALF of the world's total oil; that figure is now around 8%. The factors that led to the US economy of the 1950's and '60's are not as simple as tax rates.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
14. So America won the Vietnam war because the top rate of tax was 92%.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 09:16 AM
Jun 2012

I think this OP needs to be thought through a little better.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
19. There was also a widespread lack of commitment
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 09:32 AM
Jun 2012

Not many people in this country felt strongly that we were doing the right thing, or that it was in our best interests.

raccoon

(31,138 posts)
15. Way to go, Talking! I think the best part of your post is your last sentence:
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 09:20 AM
Jun 2012
Raise taxes on the rich.


Amen to that!


JHB

(37,166 posts)
26. In 1955 there were 24 tax brackets...
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 01:04 PM
Jun 2012
Two-thirds of the of them affected incomes over the equivalent of over $250,000 in today's dollars (married couple filing jointly). The top rate, affecting income over the equivalent of $3.35million, was 91%.

Propose that to a teabagger without mentioning the year, and you'll be called a communist. If we were communist in 1955, what were the Soviets?

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