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NEW Proof of Waukesha Election Fraud
Do you want to know what election fraud looks like? Read on and you will discover real evidence before your very eyes.
http://myplayfulself.com/wordpress/archives/tag/recount
You remember during the recount of the Wisconsin Spring Supreme Court election there was a lot of talk and pictures of unsealed and winged election bags?
Some bags appeared to have been slit with a sharp instrument were actually duct taped.Read “Duct Tape (Really?)”
Then there were the bags whose seal numbers did not match the numbers on the Inspectors Report. To protect the integrity of our elections your ballot is accounted for by numbering and recording where it goes, even after it is placed in bags. The bags are numbered and recorded on Inspector Reports. Whenever there is a discrepancy that points to an opportunity for a bag to be tampered with by adding or stuffing votes it is called a break in the chain of custody.
A host of these instances of break in the chain of custody where apparent in Waukesha County.
In each instance the observers for Kloppenburg challenged each and every one. Why was nothing done? The Wisconsin statutes give complete control of the means and rules for counting the vote to the County Clerk, who was Kathy Nickolaus. Since, Nickolaus had dismissed herself from the count, the head authority was give to retired Judge Mawdsley(pictured top holding bag). In each case it was his judgment that the votes be counted and any challenges to be dealt with later. As you may remember Kloppenburg conceded, the vote was certified by the Government Accountability Board, and the challenges where never officially addressed. It seems none of the challenges rose to real proof and could be dismissed as human error or mistakes. There wasn’t real proof of election fraud.
Until now.
From the Minutes of the Waukesha Recount – Town of Genesse
The Clerk, Barabar Whitmore, was present and tesitified
The Kloppenburg representatives objected to counting …the bag tag and seal and label were different numbers than on the inspection report.The Board noted the the seal is 3165678, and the label and serial number is 3165678, but the inspector’s list is 3165679 = different number. It appears B. Hellman wrote a different number down.The Clerk addressed why the board has two copies of the statement with numbers on them. The second copy is somewhat incomplete, but does have a set of numbers that matches the ballot bags. The Clerk testifies that one is the original copy and one is a photo copy. The tag number and the voting number and the tamper evidence seal numbers were added to the copy. She thinks she made a copy for the town’s purposes, but did not make a copy of the back of one page that went to the County.
See full copies of “original” and “copy” of Inspection Report
http://myplayfulself.com/wordpress/archives/tag/recount
So, the testimony is that the COPY was Changed to include the correct numbers.
You, most likely, viewed the two forms above and see that one is a copy of the other with the numbers changed, just as the observers did? Take another closer look.
It is NOT a COPY
You can see that indeed the numbers are added to the “copy” as testified in the minutes of the Waukesha recount, but look carefully. The “copy” is not a copy at all. It is an entirely different document.
This is what Election Fraud looks like.
In the “Original” the town is not circled, and the date is written as April 5. In the “Copy” the town is circled and the date is written as April 5th. The “Copy” is not a “Copy” as all, but a completely different document that was testified as being a “Copy” of the “Original”.
This is undeniable PROOF of Waukesha Election Fraud
This is like me signing your check with your name and saying “I made mistake.” Someone composed an entirely new and different Inspection Report and it was presented, judged, and counted as a “copy”. This is hard proof of Fraud.
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Blue Owl
(50,599 posts)And could her past cheating be any more fucking goddamned obvious?
We Want Peace
(205 posts)apparently we the word 'accountability' no longer has meaning
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)We've been at the close of every election since to ensure these mismatches don't happen.
I personally stopped 3 mistakes from happening at close in the Darling recall primary:
Almost missed including absentee ballot in bags
Almost used a certification label from a different election
Almost didn't seal bag properly
That shit can't happen if people are there to stop it. And stop encouraging them to go rogue. Encourage folks to work with one of the many groups who are well-trained and have hotlines and attorneys on call. The ACLU, DPW, OFA-WI, League of Women Voters, they ALL have teams working this election to maintain integrity.
We Want Peace
(205 posts)How do you know this?
They would fake the numbers that they wanted, then fix the bags to match their numbers.
They did a sloppy job at covering up their tracks, which is just an insult to all of our intelligence.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Read the rest of my post you replied to.
We Want Peace
(205 posts)bags come back torn, overstuffed and duct taped with the wrong numbers....if this happens again, you will still call it 'slop'?
There is no evidence that this was 'slop'
Torn overstuffed bags with the wrong numbers is clear evidence that the ballot bags have been tampered with.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)It's evidence that is COULD HAVE happened, not that it did. I wish we could have proven more, but Kloppenburg is no fool and she knows what constitutes evidence and what does not. If there was "clear evidence that the ballot bags had been tampered with", she would have pursued like a pitbull.
Again, you could address my other points about stepping the fuck up to stop it from happening again.
We Want Peace
(205 posts)n/t
TheWraith
(24,331 posts)I'm going to trust her knowledge over your conspiracy theories.
We Want Peace
(205 posts)good one!
murielm99
(30,790 posts)Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #2)
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PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)We Want Peace
(205 posts)when you don't have a real answer, go on the attack. Teabagger tactics.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)
We Want Peace
(205 posts)Thank you 
yellerpup
(12,254 posts)Welcome to DU! 
We Want Peace
(205 posts) 
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)but I have a sinking feeling this election is going to involve a lot of controversy.
We Want Peace
(205 posts)and they would never think of letting the people decide a vote, so they are definitely up to something.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)
freshwest
(53,661 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Even with the errors in SC race, Kloppenburg would have never WON the county, only lost by less.
People like to focus on us, but Dems do not win or lose statewide races here, that happens in MKE and Dane.
We Want Peace
(205 posts)Why were election workers so 'sloppy' with ballot bags, stuffing them, ripping them, duct tapping them, changing the numbers on the bags?
How do you explain such sloppiness?
Have the election workers been replaced that allowed such 'sloppiness'?
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)I've said that many many times, ffs.
We Want Peace
(205 posts)The first bag pulled out had an incorrect number, not the number placed there and recorded by election judges.
It doesn't matter what happened at the election, they tampered with the bags while Kathy Nickolaus was watching them before the recount.
What a person doing a recount would look for then...were bags that were tampered with.
You were there, part of the team that felt that torn, overstuffed bags that had even been duct taped and with incorrect numbers....were perfectly okay and decided to count them anyway.
You were watching and allowed that bullshit to happen?
freshwest
(53,661 posts)What is it that Democrats can do for the voters in these red areas? Is there any policy that will help them, to make them understand that they can work togetther for a better life with Democrats of different areas?
In my state, the Democratic governor went out of her way to make sure that those in the red areas had their needs met in regards to agriculture, small business, etc. Right now I see more of the talk radio right wing radicalism affecting us and the conspiracy talk frightening and getting people to vote against progressives.
Our state is half and half and I see the effect of the megachurches on the vote as wel as wealth in many places. Those people seem to feel they are not part of the working class, they are middle class or upper middle class and want very much to hold onto their advantage. So they vote like the old landowners, against all that may cost them a dime, then seek to add a moral justification on top of it.
Are these factors affecting Wisconsin? Is it mainly a rural versus urban issue? I feel public education and services benefit all regions, particularly in the places with low non-farm levels of employment or more seasonal work. Some count on jobs government affords for their financial stability.
Any thoughts on this, is my analysis of the problem applicable to Wisconsin? But more so, what is the solution?
Matariki
(18,775 posts)It's as if all they have to do is cheat and once the election is over the cheating no longer matters or counts.
We Want Peace
(205 posts)the ballot bag(which have been watched by Kathy Nickolaus) for the recount are ripped open, overstuffed and the numbers are wrong, but heck what's done is done, must be 'slop'
We Want Peace
(205 posts)are doomed to repeat it
fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)thanks!
We Want Peace
(205 posts) 