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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDid they hand count paper ballots and post them at the precinct level before the central tabulator?
I didn't think so.
How did they count them?
Did anyone see the paper ballots, count the paper ballots?
How do we know this election was fair?
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)and despite the abnormalities such as a late surge in the polls and massive turnout,both indicating a challenger being victorious the nation and many here refuse to see it.
We Want Peace
(205 posts)manufactured consent
Javaman
(62,540 posts)That's the criminal beauty of how the system is currently set up.
Stalin was so behind the times, we don't even count the votes anymore. We have a machine do it.
we are such fools.
GarroHorus
(1,055 posts)Karl Rove did it at the Koch brothers' bidding from the grassy knoll right after he faked Obama's birth certificate to cover up the charges placed in WTC 7 building which was done to destroy the records of the faked moon landings.
It all fits together! THE CONSPIRACY IS HUGH!!!!
We Want Peace
(205 posts)that helps us all see exactly who you are
GarroHorus
(1,055 posts)I am not a conspiracy theory nut claiming an election was stolen with precisely no evidence to back it up.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)We Want Peace
(205 posts)you sure seem quick to try and shut everyone up
SGMRTDARMY
(599 posts)Got it. Why is it that when we lose an election, it was stolen? 60% of the people who were polled said that a recall should only be utilized for malfeasance or criminal acts, and don't forget that Walker campaign outspent Barrett by a 7 to 1 margin.
Unless you can show positive proof of election fraud, all you've got is speculation and, IMHO, wild accusations.
GarroHorus
(1,055 posts)You now demand that I prove a negative.
The birthers use that identical logic.
We Want Peace
(205 posts)US E-Voting System Cracked in Less than 48 Hours
Researchers at the University of Michigan have reported that . . . . "Within 48 hours of the system going live, we had gained near complete control of the election server", the researchers wrote in a paper that has now been released. "We successfully changed every vote and revealed almost every secret ballot." The hack was only discovered after about two business days and most likely only because the intruders left a visible trail on purpose.
http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/US-e-voting-system-cracked-in-less-than-48-hours-1463881.html
Wisconsin votes on mostly paper ballots --- are tabulated by computer optical-scan systems like the ones in Palm Beach County, FL which, in March of this year, had named several losing candidates to be the "winners".
GarroHorus
(1,055 posts)In the study you cite, they hacked an online voting system. There was no online voting yesterday. I am aware of no online voting anywhere.
Constantly linking to a study that has nothing to do with any election anywhere is pretty ridiculous.
We Want Peace
(205 posts)the central tabulator is easily accessible
GarroHorus
(1,055 posts)It's easily accessible when there's a front end exposed to the internet for ONLINE VOTING.
You really need to stop your trolling on this.
SGMRTDARMY
(599 posts)If you have evidence, produce it.
We Want Peace
(205 posts)if you have evidence, prove it
GarroHorus
(1,055 posts)Conspiracy theorist demand for proof of a negative!
The logic, it fails.
cali
(114,904 posts)the status quo stands unless there's evidence. and that is the bottom line. all your idiotic spamming and railing doesn't do one fockin' thing to improve the system. why not agitate for a more transparent system? but your incessant squealing doesn't do shit, dear.
We Want Peace
(205 posts)n/t
GarroHorus
(1,055 posts)snot
(10,549 posts)From http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9332#more-9332 :
The early Exit Poll results had reportedly predicted the race between Republican Gov. Scott Walker and Democratic Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett a virtual tie, leading media to plan for a long night tonight. A second round of Exit Polls results, however, were said to have given Walker a broader lead over Barrett. Even so, we were told, the race based on the Exit Poll data alone was still "too close to call." . . .
Of course, the raw, unadjusted Exit Polling data itself is no longer entrusted to us mere mortals. It can only be seen by members of the mainstream media, and we are simply left to trust them to report it all accurately to us or not. And when, after all, have we not been able to rely on the mainstream media to report everything accurately to us? But never mind the Exit Polls. We've got real polls, real votes, actual ballots now to tell us who won or lost. If only we'd bother to actually count them...
Instead, those ballots --- Wisconsin votes on mostly paper ballots --- are tabulated by computer optical-scan systems like the ones in Palm Beach County, FL which, in March of this year, had named several losing candidates to be the "winners". And like the ones in New York City which, in 2010, managed to toss out thousands of valid votes, including as many as 70% in one South Bronx precinct. And like the ones in Oakland County, Michigan where officials found the same machines failed to count the same ballots the same way twice in 2008. And like the ones in Leon County, FL which, in 2005, were hacked to entirely flip the results of a mock election.
In Palm Beach County, FL the failure was discovered during a state mandated post-election spot-check of 2% of the paper ballots. In New York City, it took nearly two years before the failures were discovered after the New York Daily News was able to examine the paper ballots via a public records request. In Oakland County, MI, election officials were lucky enough to discover the failure during pre-election testing. And in Leon County, FL, the hacker --- a computer security expert --- revealed the op-scan system flaw he exploited to flip the results of the election in an Emmy-nominated HBO documentary.
(Links to more info in quoted portions are omitted but can be found in the link above.)
See also this item from March, 2012:
US E-Voting System Cracked in Less than 48 Hours
Researchers at the University of Michigan have reported that . . . . "Within 48 hours of the system going live, we had gained near complete control of the election server", the researchers wrote in a paper that has now been released. "We successfully changed every vote and revealed almost every secret ballot." The hack was only discovered after about two business days and most likely only because the intruders left a visible trail on purpose.
More at http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/US-e-voting-system-cracked-in-less-than-48-hours-1463881.html .
See also http://www.democraticunderground.com/125142744 . And if you don't know who Kathy Nickolaus is, see http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002767805 .)
We Want Peace
(205 posts)thanks!
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)midnight
(26,624 posts)source code without questioning it?
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)We Want Peace
(205 posts)??
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)We Want Peace
(205 posts)There is so much history here, you have to do a lot of reading.
Maybe you should do that reading before you spam the board telling everyone to shut up about fraudulent election processes.
Trillo
(9,154 posts)It was a DU2 rule.
SGMRTDARMY
(599 posts)one iota of evidence of voter fraud.
We Want Peace
(205 posts)"Why would anyone be content with allowing the Republicans to write and oversee Wisconsin's private source code without questioning it? "
Good question!
These people don't even understand what we are dealing with, have been paying no attention whatsoever...
and they keep calling me a troll.
I alerted on 5 troll pictures in a row, and the jury voted to keep them which is clearly against the terms of service.
Something has clearly gone wrong here...
SGMRTDARMY
(599 posts)agree with the sentiment?
Just sayin
librechik
(30,678 posts)these weak kneed Dems are responsible for the lack of appropriate follow up on ballots. Nobody wants to raise a fuss. That is our flaw as a party.