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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsChristian group admits to sending men into women's bathrooms to scare you into hating trans-people
(I hope this isn't a dupe post -- didn't see it anywhere else on DU)
Why Target? The store recently outraged Republicans by publicly standing with the LGBT community and saying its customers can use whichever bathroom they feel most comfortable with. This set in motion the usual calls for boycotts, the usual right-wing smears, and now this a movement to harass women in Target bathrooms so they are scared enough to demand the policy change.
I think theres no question that when you say that there are no barriers in the bathroom, Rios said, and that if men or women feel like they are men or women, the opposition of however they are equipped, and you have no restrictions, the net effect will be that people will not be stopped. Weve already had people testing this, going into Targets and men trying to go into bathrooms. There is absolutely no barrier.
And so the chief concern, she continued, even more than just, I think, trauma, certainly for little girls of having men dressed like women coming in their bathrooms, the chief concern of the American Family Association is the predators who will take advantage.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/05/02/christian-group-admits-to-sending-men-into-womens-bathrooms-to-scare-you-into-hating-trans-people/
csziggy
(34,141 posts)I worry more about what the American Family Association members might to in the name of their mythical hate-filled "god" than I have ever been concerned about any person with an alternate gender identity.
Moostache
(9,897 posts)They honestly think that this is a solution? Its a problem that doesn't exist and their "solution" is disgusting in the worst ways possible.
The idea that a transexual male, who is either transitioning, transitioned or anywhere in-between, is some kind of predatory pervert looking for little girls to traumatize is projectionism at its absolute base lowest level.
The GOP and their attack dog religious right have been using projectionism for decades, but this is really sick stuff.
What next from these asshats? Are they going to start having men rape little girls to "prove" that rape pregnancies are rarer than statistics show? Are they going to do worse? I put nothing beyond the pale with them.
I have one set of questions for these morons - "Wasn't my marriage supposed to dissolve into ashes after gay marriages were allowed? Wasn't THAT crisis supposed to be the downfall of civilization? What happened THERE geniuses?"
I think these clowns should be on "idea probation" - they have to be correct about SOMETHING before they are allowed to make any more decisions or policies!
longship
(40,416 posts)The "idea probation" is a nice touch.
R&K for the thread!
csziggy
(34,141 posts)Seriously, look at the predictions by religions - not just Christian - for death and doom over the millennia. They have been wrong more times than can be counted..
One of my favorite old school web sites is "It's the End of the World - AGAIN!" They started out chronicling in tongue in cheek fashion the predictions of end times:
The page was updated through 2009 - I'm not sure if the owner still updates it. It is one of the ugliest web pages you could find but I love his irreverent sarcastic style. For instance in his section, "Exorcising Poor Last Judgement" which covers "The ancient and medieval history of apocalyptic prophesies" he has this entry:
Religions and the religious seems to wrong far more often than they are right. And they seem to DO far more wrongs than they do good deeds, especially the current crop of Dominionist dickwards.
The biggest question in my mind for the last forty years is why does anyone still believe their bullshit?
Moostache
(9,897 posts)The biggest question in my mind for the last forty years is why does anyone still believe their bullshit?
Man, reading your reply, I got the lyric from "Ripple" by the Grateful Dead stuck in my head!
I wish I had an answer, I really do...because I am afraid the human race is now captive to the whims and idiosyncrasies of the craziest bastards in the gene pool now!
csziggy
(34,141 posts)I was vaccinated early against right wing Christianity - my uncle was a fundamentalist Baptist preacher and we cam from a long, long line of the same. One of my ancestors was pretty much responsible for the formation of the Alabama Baptist Convention and his students followed this by setting up the Southern Baptist Convention.
Talking with my uncle and his sons shocked me - they were severely prejudiced and had absolutely none of the "Christian spirit" they talked up in church when they talked about minorities. Both of those cousins became preachers. No surprise that I have no communication with them.
They really can't handle anyone questioning the basis of their faith and are seriously without humor when it comes to religion. Then when it is a woman who refuses to back down, refuses to listen to BS and will not under any circumstance follow any of their preaching, they just lose it.
My uncle stopped communicating with me for the last 35 years of his life - while I am legally married I refused to involve any religious garbage in the mix. He considered that I was living in sin.
The US and the world have had waves of religious fervor that effectively took over entire regions and groups. It's happened before and will happen again unfortunately. I was just hoping it wouldn't happen in my lifetime.
Moostache
(9,897 posts)I was raised Catholic and I always loved George Carlin's line "until I attained the age of reason"! My parents are largely cafeteria Catholics now and they don't take it too hard that I have nothing to do with religion at all or that my kids are all being raised in a completely secular environment.
My wife's family on the other hand is not quite as even keel. Her parents are divorced and the mother is very bitter about it. She hates me because I never did anything to her daughter that happened to her and she was trying hard to convince my now-wife/then-fiance that I was a no good bum in waiting. At least that is just rooted in bad marriage and life experience and she has mellowed considerably in the last two decades as it became obvious she was wrong. My wife's father and step-mother though...they are all sorts of crazy on Jeebus!
They nearly boycotting the wedding because my parents insisted on hosting an open bar at the wedding reception because that is what Catholics at a wedding DO! They threw a hissy fit and left the house after visiting for Christmas when they found out that we were not dressing up our kids to parade them to church services that day. They finally cut off all communication with my wife when it became apparent that we had no intention of poisoning the childrens' minds with any flavor of religion at all. I have not seen them in 8 years and have no plans to ever see them alive again. I may attend my father-in-law's funeral to support my wife, but that would be it!
Families and religions are oil and water too many times! Sorry to hear about your own misadventures in that area.
csziggy
(34,141 posts)It must have caused an upset at the time - she married a Presbyterian! Dad's grandmother was a Unitarian but the rest of the family was Presbyterian from way back. I know there were some hard words with her preacher brother even when I was old enough to understand, decades after they married. But he was an asshole anyway - told racist evil jokes around young children and used nasty words about African-Americans until the day he died.
That uncle is the reason I began questioning the usefulness of religion in the first place. He was everything I had been taught was evil but he viewed himself as being "godly."
Mom & Dad used to compare religions, translations of the Bible and have long discussions between the two of them about points of religion. While they were politically conservative - especially as they aged - in real life they were always very fair and kind towards everyone.
When the schools were desegregated, my father's brother sent his children to private church schools. Mom insisted that since we would live in a fully integrated country we should go to school with all the people that we would share our lives with. Everyone of those cousins are conservatives (and part of what is wrong with Florida today) while only one of my sisters became a conservative.
On the other hand, my husband was raised in the Unitarian Church and is an agnostic as am I. I claim that if I had to declare a "denomination" it would be the Church of the Apathetic Agnostic, mostly because of their motto, "We don't know and we don't care." http://www.apatheticagnostic.com/
Even as apathetic agnostics, the site has some really nice "meditations" on various subjects, such as Meditation 944 - The Christian War on Christmas. It gives us non-believers some powerful arguments to stand against the whacko religious nuts!
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)What a bunch of bullshit. Those fuckers in Christian Peacemaker Teams (facing down armed Israeli soldiers while defending Palestinian students) and On Earth Peace (peace training seminars) are just so damned wrong!
I'm concerned you might hurt your arm lifting that broad brush.
Stinky The Clown
(67,849 posts)"Jesus loves us, therefore we can do what we want to."
rockfordfile
(8,712 posts)Blue Meany
(1,947 posts)My daughter was friends with a transgendered girl whose harrassment made national news a few years ago. An evangelical group goaded the grandson of one of their members into following her into the girls bathroom whenever she used it. Her use of the bathroom had never been disruptive, but, of course, his presence was, and eventually he was expelled from the school, providing fodder for a religious discrimination lawsuit. The transgendered girl eventually moved and went to a private school to avoid various forms of bullying and harrasment.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)mercuryblues
(14,564 posts)prove the opposite of what they are aiming for. A transgendered male being forced to use the woman's room because of a birth certificate.
I want them to send women into the men's room.
mnhtnbb
(31,428 posts)Last edited Tue May 3, 2016, 06:11 PM - Edit history (1)
They are such a mean-spirited, despicable lot. They will not leave people alone.
It also just goes to show how little they respect women in general.
I hope if anyone encounters one of these men in a Target bathroom she administers
a dose of the elevator girl treatment: slap him silly, knee him/kick him in the balls a couple of
times and exit the bathroom.
Y'all have seen this?
http://www.neatorama.com/2016/04/29/Street-Justice-Woman-Expresses-Her-Displeasure-at-Sexual-Harassment/
csziggy
(34,141 posts)That is the perfect treatment for any person who harasses another - I don't care what gender either of them is.
yellowcanine
(35,707 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)...the melody of snotty flushes, porcelin-cracking farts & splattering air bursts, urine fens spreading from the thrones. Gets 'em going, you know... down there. Mens or Womens, doesn't seem to matter.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)I mean really? Do they have nothing better to do then to show up at Target and make assholes of themselves? Do they think this is their pathway to Heaven? Do they think it will somehow inspire others to follow because they want to spend eternity in the afterlife with assholes like this?
Idiots. They are all idiots. And they are shameful.
Initech
(100,155 posts)The people who don't have lives take it out on the people that do.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Their lives suck so they must take as much joy out of the lives of others as possible.
It's that fallacy that we must suffer here on earth because the more suffering we do now the more joyful the afterlife will be. Honestly I call bullshit on that.
I do believe in the afterlife but not the concept of 'Heaven & Hell' these idiots preach.
Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)women might drown!
I think theres no question that when you say that there are no barriers in the bathroom."
Some "barriers" are useful
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Initech
(100,155 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)you know what I mean!
* wink wink *