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Gee, w I wonder where all those wounded warriors got their wounds?
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/invictus-games/os-invictus-symposium-20160508-story.html
Britain's Prince Harry joined former President George W. Bush Sunday afternoon on Disney World property to present and showcase ideas on how society can help military personnel overcome mental and emotional wounds after returning from active service.
Bush underscored a major theme of the day when he suggested dropping the D from the end of PSTD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder). "We don't view it as a disorder we view it as an injury," Bush said during a panel discussion.
The event took place just before the official opening of the international Invictus Games for wounded warriors, which is taking place this week at Disney's ESPN Wide World of Sports. Brain injury, post-traumatic stress disorder and other "invisible" wounds were front and center.
The symposium brought a large international crowd to Disney's Shades of Green resort, an official U.S. Armed Forces Recreation Center Resort.
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We have 230,000 vets with traumatic brain injuries from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/healing-soldiers/blast-force.html
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)Do they not know they were wounded for a deliberate lie by Bush and Cheney to the USA and the world?
Gman
(24,780 posts)as well as active duty for years now.
I like to think it's because he's no doubt eat up horribly with guilt over what he's done and what his war crimes did to them.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)I think he realizes now what a horror he created on bad advise from his handlers. I think that is why he doesn't show his face that often. If he was really proud of it he would be all over the place.
Exactly. He's never cared about anything before in his life because he didn't have to. Now he sees what he's done.
Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)Are there any paid Trump-trolls working at Democratic Underground?
Gman
(24,780 posts)surrealAmerican
(11,370 posts)Does that make you a "Trump-troll"?
DU cannot be divided into people who agree with you and trump trolls. This is a discussion, not a witch hunt.
Ilsa
(61,721 posts)I think he said God told him that. What a huge disconnect he must have had when the body count topped 1,000, then 2,000, etc.
Skittles
(153,321 posts)he feels no more for them than he does when he steps on a bug
He never really had any authority or control. Cheney ran the WH along with his cronies. Cooked the intelligence, and he's stuck living up to what daddy expects. He'd never had any direction in his life. But now he's tortured knowing what was done by n the authority of who he was, and he finally knows the truth that it was all a lie. Now for the first time in his life he feels responsible and this is the only way left foot r him to do something. And he has to live with what's been done the rest of his life.
Dunno. Doesn't make him any less a war criminal. But I like to think he lives that tortured by it all.
Skittles
(153,321 posts)was when he was talking about the execution of Karla Faye Tucker - he loved it
he always knew the war was a lie, and he feels nothing about the consequences......he thinks he is a hero to those soldiers whose lives he destroyed - he was pathetic then and he is pathetic now
Ilsa
(61,721 posts)Injury, or appears to be from what I've read. PTSD is still a disorder, and use of that term does not diminish the horrible circumstances which caused it in the first place, or its seriousness.
But Dumbya is too much himself to understand this, and I'm sure he thinks changing its name is going to fix the problems.
Botany
(70,673 posts)...emotional injury. It has an external cause. Veterans...or anyone else...who suffers from post traumatic stress, has an injury caused by a traumatic life experience. In the case of veterans, it was war.
The term 'disorder' implies that a condition might have an internal cause, that there is something lacking in the individual. That is not the origin of PTS.
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...with GWB on something.
Ilsa
(61,721 posts)"Disorder" automatically implies that the cause is internal. In fact, here is the quote from Wiki, quoting DSMIV:
According to DSM-IV, a mental disorder is a psychological syndrome or pattern which is associated with distress (e.g. via a painful symptom), disability (impairment in one or more important areas of functioning), increased risk of death, or causes a significant loss of autonomy;
Looks to me like "disorder" in this definition implies external causation, not internal. However, it is probably applied more broadly to other mental health issues, like depression.
PTSD, like other disorders, is complicated, with varying timing on overcoming it, and to various degrees.
Trained professionals aren't going to assume it's an internally caused problem. Only ignorant people would do that. The solution is education, not muddying up diagnostic language, or just leaving it as "Stress", which IMO, minimizes the effects of having PTSD.
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...vague. It does not imply causation at all, either internal or external. That is the reason for dropping it. Post Traumatic Stress is ONLY externally caused. The person wouldn't get that diagnosis had something traumatic not happened TO them.
Ilsa
(61,721 posts)a disorder because of the way the brain is affected. By the time the victim is seeking help, it is usually because it has turned into detrimental behaviors, or a disorder. Behaviors that change into detrimental actions to relationships, careers, even personal safety. Yes, it can become a disorder that interrupts life. Therefore, it becomes PTSD, not just "stress".
I think too much is misread about this terminology. As if it has a bad connotation. I think anyone with even a little bit of understanding realizes that PTSD is caused by external circumstances, not organic mental illness (like schizophrenia).
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...is not serious or that the condition is just 'stress' which seems to reduce its effect on a person. I would just substitute 'injury' for 'disorder.' Post Traumatic Stress Injury.
I came to believe this was better after reading about veterans who felt the label of disorder hurt them more because it defined what was wrong as a mental illness, as if they might have had a 'weakness' before being at war.
Ilsa
(61,721 posts)that "injury" might be interpreted as meaning something that has a single fix, even a quick fix, and PTSD recovery doesn't work that way. The rehab isn't like physical therapy. It isn't finished in months, but years, and even then, cognitive therapy helps prevent the disorder from "disordering" one's life again after a trigger. And not understanding how a disorder and injury are different can lead to frustration or hopelessness.
Maybe the victims need help in not judging themselves over nomenclature. It's like reading an insurance EOB that lists "spontaneous abortion" as a diagnosis for a miscarriage of a wanted pregnancy.
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)... your last paragraph. Probably the name given the condition is less important than how veterans perceive the name/label.
lpbk2713
(42,777 posts)Link: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/11/01/bush-and-cheney-lied-quot-tearful-quot-dover-afb-visits-never-happened/
Piss on him. He's got blood on his hands.
Not only that but his administration banned the coverage of bodies returning to American soil.
Fuck that war criminal.