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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJust a reminder: The polls you see now are neither cause for celebration nor despair.
These are still early polls. Lots of people are still not even paying attention.
D voters vs R voters is a three to five point spread. Margins of error are typically three to four points either way. That means 50-50 poll could just as easily be a 47-53 spread or even 46-54.
LOTS and LOTS of shit will flow down the sewer before this is over. Polls will reflect which way the water in the bowl is swirling at the time they're taken.
True enough, even early polls can show "leans" or "trends", but they are merely indicators, not safe bets.
National polls, given the electoral college, are really not all that useful in presidential electoral race-calling. You really need to be looking at state by state polls. We all, no doubt, recall Idiot Son's two "victories".
The biggest indicators, I think, are enthusiasm and the size of the vote. The bigger the turnout, the better for our side.
Race and ethnicity also matter a LOT. A surge pf white people will put Drumpf over the top. Enthusiastic non-white and ethnic voting (not simply disgust with Drumpf) will put us over the top.
If you don't want to live under the orange Vulgarian, get the vote out.
And here's something else to keep in mind: the party that goes into an election divided almost always loses. Right now the Rs are that party. But the Ds could join them.
Let's be careful out there.
old guy
(3,284 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)What's interesting is that while Professor Abramowitz's own Time For Change model favors Trump he is contradicting his own poll and predicting Hillary wins easily. I suspect it's because he believes Trump is in a demographic straitjacket.
Trump would have to win 65%. 66%, 67% of the white vote. That's just not happening.
PATRICK
(12,229 posts)about how someone is planning to avoid a 1968 style convention? We haven't even had a non coronation convention in some time. Should multiple roll calls fray nerves that is one thing, but the unmistakable presence of a large percentage of "losing" delegates wanting a lot more than their candidate- on both sides- creates the biggest predictable tension since Chicago. Granted this is minus the Vietnam War and cultural divide(maybe) of the sixties and there is no Mayor Daley gestapo policing the insurgents, but... what will be there exactly?
This is easier and more critical to examine than the prospective delegate count and remaining contests. No one wants to talk ideological split, reform demands, platform and the extremely knife edge split between corporate vs. progressive Democrats, organization vs. grassroots. If they are going to parade a bunch of the establishment loyalists on stage to talk down, dismiss half the delegates or pimp corporate corruption in the guise of caring about the remaining civil rights issues under assault by the usual GOP dirtbag bogeyman it will automatically split the party on live TV setting the season's mood for the MSM nation. Then you can argue percentages or sneer the weaklings will come crawling back to push the ticket over the top. It is a question of frayed nerves, anger, fear, and as much fear of losing the centrist agenda of the past miserable decades as one's job before uncontested GOP election fraud.
Is there almost automatically another 1968 in the offing- minus the street riots, of course? Or is this one of those things we dismiss out of hand and will not harbor even an imagined healing process that seems called for now- not then?