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I'm not posting excerpts because today's Primary names are mentioned, but the item is really about the 1964 ad men and their assessment of DRUMPF, plus I'm all for any renewal of appreciation for LBJ. But if it's deemed GD-P, well, I bow.
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http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/2016-johnson-lbj-campaign-1964-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-political-ads-daisy-213925
[font size=5]LBJs Ad Men: ....[/font]
We talked to two of the geniuses behind the greatest ad campaign in political history. Heres what theyd do in 2016.
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StarTrombone
(188 posts)We got fucking LBJ sending my generation into his damned meat grinder in S.E. Asia
A meat grinder he lied his ass off about The Gulf of Tonkin to get us further entrenched in that quagmire BTW
You can stick your "renewal of appreciation for LBJ" where the sun don't shine
Years ago I traveled with some buddies to Johnson City to piss on his grave
The night in jail was worth it
I'll do it again if there is ever a "renewal of appreciation for LBJ" before I die
UTUSN
(70,793 posts)StarTrombone
(188 posts)I've been paying into it since 1966 and I pay for it monthly now plus paying for a supplemental in order to get decent coverage
I could use the VA but I prefer the Mayo Clinic because It's close to my homes in AZ and MN
UTUSN
(70,793 posts)StarTrombone
(188 posts)There's no option by force of law
UTUSN
(70,793 posts)But really, let's cut to the chase and leave it at toodle-oo!1 May you and I do well by Memorial Day for all our fallen.
StarTrombone
(188 posts)I wish that there was
But same to you
I'll be at Ft. Snelling tomorrow
Both my parents, 2 uncles, an aunt, my father in law and a brother in law are interred there
Mendocino
(7,531 posts)Not even taking the the absurd low effectiveness of tactical nukes against guerrilla forces, do you believe the Soviets and China would have "stood down" if we had done this?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Certainly if tactical nukes were the solution, you must blame Nixon for not using them as well.
Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,414 posts)Wow. That could be the stupidest thing I've ever seen suggested for foreign policy. Nothing could have ruined the world faster than that. Nothing would have painted the USA as an out-of-control psychopath that would need to be stopped by the rest of the world.
StarTrombone
(188 posts)But that wasn't my decision to make
My old man and uncles warned against a land war in Asia
LBJ foolishly ramped up our involvement
Goldwater said that if we're going to be there use every available weapon to get it over with quickly
I agreed with him
Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,414 posts)malaise
(269,328 posts)but I get your point re nukes
muriel_volestrangler
(101,414 posts)It says "we think that it's OK to kill tens of thousands of the people we're fighting at once, just to see if it will intimidate the survivors". It's not even as if they could have been 'tactical' in Vietnam; the North Vietnamese army was spread out, and it was nothing like the idea people had of 'tactical nukes' to stop hypothetical Soviet armoured divisions advancing west across Europe.
It would have turned large parts of the country the USA was supposedly fighting on behalf of to radioactive wastelands. It would have been "to save the village, we had to destroy it" on a massive scale.
malaise
(269,328 posts)let's go back - Japan, Germany - killing is already done for unjustifiable reasons - theft of others resources.
I read on DU today that a candidate said the illegal war gave Iraqis freedom. The freedom towatch their families, homes, hospitals, universities and other institutions bombed to oblivion for no good reason. And dont forget the Depleted Uranium in Fallujah.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)Goes well with the movie, Dr. Strangelove, which came out near the same time.
appalachiablue
(41,204 posts)No fan of the policies of Goldwater, but to me he almost looks like a statesman compared to Herr Trumpf.
sendero
(28,552 posts)... but he did a lot of evil things too. Probably a textbook sociopath. Even forgetting Vietnam (certainly not easy to do), his path is strewn with dead bodies and dirty dealings. Many believe, I among them, that he had a hand in JFK's death.
There are several books on the subject, the circumstantial evidence is 'overwhelming'.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)He just knew down deep that the country needed Medicare, Medicaid, CRA, and VRA, and made it happen.