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Robb

(39,665 posts)
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 08:46 AM Jun 2012

The problem with drones is not the drones themselves, but the failure of humanity they represent.

I talked about this a bit in another thread but wanted to elaborate.

When people rail against drones, I think, they're not really against the drones themselves -- at least in the way people who defend the policy think.

Because everyone knows the drones are more accurate and kill fewer civilians than carpet bombing. And everyone knows they don't cost as much in children or treasure as 100,000 boots on the ground. That's not the point.

The drone program, indeed its very existence, represents a massive failure on the part of human beings.

Consider how much more of warfare we see, through television and the internet, than we did in the days of Dresden. We're not going to see bombing runs like that any more, destroying entire cities to get the military factories -- because the planners know we'd then see it all on video later. Wars are fought and won in the news now as much as on the battlefield. And we know that more information is a good thing.

But we have drones now. We must realize, they are as much a product of the 24-hour news cycle as they are a product of the technology they need to fly.

The fact that warfare did not simply end out of collective disgust under the tight scrutiny of the latter part of the last century -- but rather morphed into something we could shunt away and hide from our own eyes -- suggests enough of us have decided warfare is necessary. At least, necessary enough to craft elaborate ways of deluding ourselves about the horror of it all.

That's really, I think, the problem with drones. Not that they're somehow a worse weapon, but rather what their proliferation says about us.

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The problem with drones is not the drones themselves, but the failure of humanity they represent. (Original Post) Robb Jun 2012 OP
You can't suggest we have decided warfare is necessary when there hasn't been a war declared. rug Jun 2012 #1
War persists. Robb Jun 2012 #3
They make war easier to conduct. randome Jun 2012 #2
Every advancement in arms has made warfare easier. Robb Jun 2012 #4
True. randome Jun 2012 #5
This actually made me wonder Robb Jun 2012 #10
No, it's the drones themselves JayhawkSD Jun 2012 #6
OK, then answer this: Robb Jun 2012 #7
Remote controlled war is the sole providence of cowards 1-Old-Man Jun 2012 #8
That's what they said about cavalry, too. Robb Jun 2012 #9
I'm not against drones, or bombs, or artillary. I'm against using them. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #11
 

rug

(82,333 posts)
1. You can't suggest we have decided warfare is necessary when there hasn't been a war declared.
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 09:00 AM
Jun 2012

We are living in an age of euphemism when words have been emptied of meaning and have been filled with political expedience.

An authorization to use force replaces a declaration of war.

Terrorist stronghold replaces national sovereignty.

A Presidential kill list replaces, well, a Presidential hit list.

I don't think any of us have decided anything. We have acquiesced everything.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
3. War persists.
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 09:26 AM
Jun 2012

We delude ourselves otherwise. Whether we actively state approval or simply do nothing to stop it, enough of us let it continue for whatever reason. That is the situation in front of our eyes.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
6. No, it's the drones themselves
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 09:49 AM
Jun 2012

We are using them to violate the national sovreignty of nations with whom we are not at war. It is the drones themselves which permit us to do that. The problem is the drones.

We can engage in fancy semantics all we want about what the problem is and isn't; the design of weapons which permit the continuation and justification of war are, in and of themselves, a problem.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
11. I'm not against drones, or bombs, or artillary. I'm against using them.
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 02:25 PM
Jun 2012
“What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy.” - Mohandas K. Gandhi
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