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Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 02:42 AM Jul 2016

Thank You Peter Neffenger: You've Taught Us It's Okay to Head Slam Disabled Brain Surgery Patients



This world becomes nearly unbearable because of people like Peter Neffenger, the Memphis TSA authority and the Memphis Police Department.

There are some stories that just chill me to my core, some news that convinces me that evil and cruelty will always win.

What can you say to TSA agents who will body slam a disabled, half-blind brain surgery patient on her way home from the hospital? How can anyone explain that sort of depravity?

How can anyone explain to me that grown men and women in the Memphis Police Department thought it would be even more helpful to then throw this bloody, battered young women in jail for the night?

Where does this sort of cruelty and malicious abuse of sick people originate? How do those TSA agents and the Memphis Police department even call themselves human beings? They are sick, twisted caricatures of humans from the looks of it, not thinking, rational beings.

My heart is just broken for all of the people on the internet right now sharing their tales of how the TSA agents treat disabled people. Why? What do they get out of it?

How was society safer because some ignorant no-neck in Memphis locked a very, very sick, battered woman in a filthy jail cell for the night? What do you say for yourself, you badass Memphis cops and TSA agents, saving us from those wicked brain surgery patients with your superhuman strength?

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE TSA AND THE MEMPHIS POLICE?

How did these people become so broken, they head slam a brain surgery patient and beat her bloody, and then throw her in a jail cell? HOW?

Obama, your Peter Neffenger is an incompetent criminal if this is what he allows his employees to get away with - and if the stories from other disabled people are to be believed. This is intolerable and absolutely disgusting. Neffenger needs to be fired and the TSA needs some solid leadership, extensive and comprehensive training programs and some damned INTEGRITY.

All I keep asking myself is "What the fuck is WRONG with people? What the FUCK is wrong with people?"

I cannot believe what my government's employees are doing to my fellow citizens. This is a horror show.

Thanks, DU, for letting me rant. I want to scream but it will scare the dog.

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Thank You Peter Neffenger: You've Taught Us It's Okay to Head Slam Disabled Brain Surgery Patients (Original Post) Tsiyu Jul 2016 OP
I share your horror lillypaddle Jul 2016 #1
Small dick, big ego, low IQ, high self-esteem, no sense of shame. Sociopaths with badges Feeling the Bern Jul 2016 #2
You are so right! cpamomfromtexas Jul 2016 #9
You lost me by blaming this on Obama. Did he hire Neffinger? Please tell me how you came to that. Hekate Jul 2016 #3
Obama nominated Neffenger; Senate confirmed him Tsiyu Jul 2016 #4
Did Neffenger do this? yardwork Jul 2016 #26
I flew for the first time in over 6 years and I could not believe Jnclr89 Jul 2016 #5
I haven't flown since somewhere around 2006-2007. Stonepounder Jul 2016 #20
Just for what it is worth, pangaia Jul 2016 #24
I think that TSA is much better than it was before. yardwork Jul 2016 #27
Shout out for the terrific TSA in Las Vegas! colorado_ufo Jul 2016 #37
Welcome to the United States of America mrr303am Jul 2016 #6
What changed? JustAnotherGen Jul 2016 #7
The court documents filed Tsiyu Jul 2016 #8
I believe you are correct but might also be a hate crime as well. cpamomfromtexas Jul 2016 #10
Too many exmilitary hired on police forces HelenWheels Jul 2016 #11
The ex-military aren't usually the problem Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2016 #18
Feckless authoritarianism is feckless. DirkGently Jul 2016 #12
This whole thing just blows me away, but passiveporcupine Jul 2016 #13
Every time I think I have seen humanity at its lowest... Initech Jul 2016 #14
I hope that the doctors at St. Jude's make statements. Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2016 #15
The court can sort the facts from the allegations struggle4progress Jul 2016 #16
I disagree. The courts have shown us over and over again they are on the side of the cretins AllyCat Jul 2016 #19
Its as if the State of War by the Establishment against LarryNM Jul 2016 #21
"Let's replace our justice system with anonymous internet posters!" struggle4progress Jul 2016 #25
Do you feel the average person is getting a fair shake? AllyCat Jul 2016 #38
My general opinions on that are entirely irrelevant to the factual questions struggle4progress Jul 2016 #39
There used to be a poster here who proudly stated she would submit to a TSA administered... Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2016 #17
Because it is the police mentality. It's the difference between community PatrickforO Jul 2016 #22
Sounds like time to petition the White House annominous Jul 2016 #23
Hopefully, she will win the lawsuit. Deuce Jul 2016 #28
These so-called "people" have always been here ... Jopin Klobe Jul 2016 #29
But bbut but they are protecting you from malaise Jul 2016 #30
They were given the "Power' under the Patriot Act turbinetree Jul 2016 #31
thank you G_j Jul 2016 #33
Your welcome ........................ turbinetree Jul 2016 #40
K&R...Thanks for posting.....Here are some links we can use to express our anger about this: red dog 1 Jul 2016 #32
Thanks.......................... turbinetree Jul 2016 #41
"WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE TSA AND THE MEMPHIS POLICE? " Answer: TransitJohn Jul 2016 #34
As a person with an invisible chronic condition... DeadLetterOffice Jul 2016 #35
The abuse stories horrify me. But I have to say that TSA agents have tblue37 Jul 2016 #36
Police = Roided up randos. Odin2005 Jul 2016 #42
 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
2. Small dick, big ego, low IQ, high self-esteem, no sense of shame. Sociopaths with badges
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 03:27 AM
Jul 2016

and immense power.

Hekate

(91,047 posts)
3. You lost me by blaming this on Obama. Did he hire Neffinger? Please tell me how you came to that.
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 03:31 AM
Jul 2016

Did he create the TSA, or set its policies and hiring practices? You know he didn't.

This is a horrible occurance, and the people who perpetrated this atrocity should be fired and charged with assault. No excuses.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
4. Obama nominated Neffenger; Senate confirmed him
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 03:47 AM
Jul 2016

It is Obama's place to nominate someone new. Or is there someone else who nominates TSA chiefs that I am not aware of?

Not trying to pull a "Thanks, Obama" but he said to hold his feet to the fire and I damned well will.

yardwork

(61,795 posts)
26. Did Neffenger do this?
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 04:07 PM
Jul 2016

Let's give TSA leadership a chance to respond. Obama didn't create the TSA, and it seems to me that TSA improved greatly since Obama became president.

This is a terrible event. Let's see how TSA deals with it.

 

Jnclr89

(128 posts)
5. I flew for the first time in over 6 years and I could not believe
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 04:04 AM
Jul 2016

how aggressive the TSA has gotten. The last time I flew back in 2010 I remembered the TSA agents at the airport, but I didn't even think anything about it, they didn't bother me much.

When I flew out of LA a couple of weeks ago I could not believe how rude and aggressive this agency was. And everyone was being hearded around like sheep in headlights.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
20. I haven't flown since somewhere around 2006-2007.
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 02:27 PM
Jul 2016

I was the quintessial 'road warrior'. I still have my American Airlines frequent flyer card, embossed with '2 million miles'. Back then security checkpoints were a minor nuisance.

Today, I refuse to fly. If I can't drive to where I am going, I don't go. It is as simple as that. Between the airlines nickle and diming passengers to death, the ridiculous 'security' rules, searches, patdowns, etc., and the fact that security is really all for show, it just isn't worth the hassle.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
24. Just for what it is worth,
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 03:11 PM
Jul 2016

and certainly not negating any difficulties anyone has going through security procedures here or abroad, I travel, mostly internationally, about a dozen times each year.

While I think the whole airport security thing is an absolute joke, I have almost no trouble at all.

Many TSA people are downright friendly. Some are bossy, some show little respect for the people they are supposed to be serving, moving as slowly as they possibly can as if bored to death ( I am sure they are). And then there are the real assholes.. like in life...

Most of my problems arise from procedural fuck ups.. like --
1- kiosks in Toronto, refusing to print out a baggage tracking label, thus forcing me to carry on a bag and having to throw out stuff.

2- being told, when finally reaching the head of the security line in Newark that my connecting boarding pass issued in Rome is not good, forcing me to go back to the check in counter, get in line again, bully my way past everybody so I can make a flight, etc etc

3-Being taken out of the customs and immigration line in Oslo and questioned by the police because I could not remember the name of the town of the person I was going to visit and they thought my profession was fake. (He was waiting for me at arrivals so the cops called his mobile and he vouched for me. )) :&gt )

4-Being 'searched' leaving Amsterdam because I arrived, running like a madman, at the gate like 2 minutes before departure. ( Don't ever mess around with Dutch security.)

5- Having too few customs agent on hand at Incheon arrivals because of some scheduling mess up. ( It still is considered the best airport in the world, and I can understand why.)

I am also lucky in that I fly out of a medium sized regional airport with only 20 gates, which is 10 more than they need, so sometimes, depending on my flight times, there is almost nobody on the security line.

Of course the food is better in the LA basin, the Bay area and Manhattan than where I live, so there is that.










colorado_ufo

(5,744 posts)
37. Shout out for the terrific TSA in Las Vegas!
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 10:02 PM
Jul 2016

They are the nicest, most efficient anywhere. Pleasant and even cheerful. I fly there frequently and cannot overstate how much I appreciate them. In some airports, the TSA puts knots in my stomach.

 

mrr303am

(159 posts)
6. Welcome to the United States of America
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 04:58 AM
Jul 2016

Where you can destroy the global economy (and profit from it) with impunity, but don't you dare be disabled.

JustAnotherGen

(32,047 posts)
7. What changed?
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 05:10 AM
Jul 2016

I thought the Police were the ones who assaulted her? Has it come out that TSA engaged in the violence?

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
8. The court documents filed
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 06:48 AM
Jul 2016

name TSA agents as the ones who tackled the girl. Even if they did not engage in the actual violent act, they were directly responsible for NOT listening to a disabled person's caregiver and for escalating her distress AND involving cops.

They obviously have zero training in how to handle disabled people, and this is in direct violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act, no?

HelenWheels

(2,284 posts)
11. Too many exmilitary hired on police forces
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 12:21 PM
Jul 2016

They look at the public as the enemy when they should be helpers for the public.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
18. The ex-military aren't usually the problem
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 02:14 PM
Jul 2016

It's the ex-mall security, life-long losers who seek opportunities for greater authority.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
12. Feckless authoritarianism is feckless.
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 01:32 PM
Jul 2016

So, we're not going to do anything about dangerous people: Heavily armed, angry conservative men of one stripe or another, swimming in an ocean of paranoia and a belief system where a "good guy with a gun" is the solution to every conceivable problem. They can rant and rave, and make sidelong threats all day long, riiiiiiight up to the line of actually doing something horrendously violent, at which point someone will nicely ask them to leave the bird refuge.

But we're going to make damn sure a confused brain surgery patient COMPLIES RIGHT THE HELL NOW in the baggage line, because who knows what an ailing girl might be up to.

We've got shampoo-free airplanes, aspirin-free schools, but guns in national parks and college campuses.

We're nailing every non-issue right to the wall, while the blood pools at our feet.



passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
13. This whole thing just blows me away, but
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 01:36 PM
Jul 2016

the part that I least understand and that wants to make me scream the most is them taking her to jail for the night, after seeing her bleeding and scared and confused. Did they find a weapon on her? What right did they have to take her to jail? What did she do that was against the law? And since she just had a treatment (chemo?) for a brain tumor, did anyone think to get her to a hospital to make sure the head bang didn't seriously injure her in some way?

Her mother was there. Did they not let her explain to them about her daughter's condition, even after they tackled and bloodied her? Did they keep them separated, no matter what the mother said? That should be criminal.

This is so ugly and disheartening. I haven't been on a plane in over 25 years, and probably won't ever be again. I certainly have no desire to try it. I'm not someone who can stand in long lines and I don't handle extreme authority and force well at all. I might actually end up bolting like that young girl did too, especially if two people try to grab me by my arms as they did her. Nobody has the right to touch me.

I have mental (anxiety) issues that might put me in the same danger she was. I was already accosted once by police (nicely...my town has nice police) and taken against my will to a hospital for an interview with a psychiatrist, because I left a therapist's office against his will ...because that's what I do when I'm really upset, I run away. I can't face it. So I totally understand her fear and need to run.

This is an extreme example of what we've been seeing from the police who overreact to situations and even escalate them. None of these people seem to be trained in human reactions and how to deescalate. I know why so many people run from and try to resist the overt physical subjugation of the police. Especially when they are innocent. I don't know what to do to fix this. It just continues to get worse.

Initech

(100,150 posts)
14. Every time I think I have seen humanity at its lowest...
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 01:48 PM
Jul 2016

It seems that New lows are reached on a daily basis.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
15. I hope that the doctors at St. Jude's make statements.
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 01:58 PM
Jul 2016

About the physical damage of the body slam and the false imprisonment and its effects on a brain surgery/chemo patient.

My sister had a primary brain tumor and died from it 26 years ago as a young adult, despite the best of treatment at M.D. Anderson Hospital in Houston. She worked there for the head of the Pathology Department as his assistant.

It is an ugly, ugly disease when you watch somebody wasting away in spite of the best efforts of the best doctors in the world with surgery, radiation and chemo.

And I hope these bastards at the TSA and the Memphis Police Department burn in hell and go to jail.

AllyCat

(16,269 posts)
19. I disagree. The courts have shown us over and over again they are on the side of the cretins
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 02:18 PM
Jul 2016

These people get to act out their violent crazy fantasies and get PAID for it with no threat to them or their jobs.

LarryNM

(493 posts)
21. Its as if the State of War by the Establishment against
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 02:30 PM
Jul 2016

the poor and minorities has openly advanced to include the disabled
and the middle class.

AllyCat

(16,269 posts)
38. Do you feel the average person is getting a fair shake?
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 10:17 PM
Jul 2016

We have seen and heard of so much abuse of power. Trayvon, Michael, Tony, Freddie, and all the cases that didn't make it to the news. No one is suggesting we don't have justice. In fact, we are insisting we actually get it.

struggle4progress

(118,379 posts)
39. My general opinions on that are entirely irrelevant to the factual questions
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 10:59 PM
Jul 2016

regarding events on 30 June 2015 at Memphis International Airport

I live at great remove from the airport and am unable to peer back through a year in time and a distance of hundreds of miles to determine what exactly happened or when what should have been obvious to who

We should, of course, feel great sympathy for the young woman and her family, given the stressful life circumstances they face. Whether that sympathy should lead us to conclude the various authorities at the airport behaved in a fashion warranting damages is less clear. They may have, but I do not know that they did

The lawsuit insists that the young woman's disabilities were obvious and claims that "acts of discrimination" by the authorities against her "were intentional." I have no idea how to gauge the validity of such assertions after reading a single-source account on the internet. The TSA currently requests that screeners be informed in advance of disabilities requiring accommodation. I do not know whether or not this request predates the incident under discussion, but since screening has now been widespread for many years, I might guess that this request has been standard for some time. Neither the media account nor the lawsuit indicate that screeners were informed in advance: the story says Cohen told us she tried to tell TSA agents her daughter is partially deaf, blind in one eye, paralyzed, and easily confused, but said she was kept at a distance by police -- which sounds as if this important information was not made available in advance, in which case policies governing immediate response might require that the non-compliant traveler first be controlled, before further interactions with compliant travelers



 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
17. There used to be a poster here who proudly stated she would submit to a TSA administered...
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 02:11 PM
Jul 2016

gynecological exam before being allowed to board an airplane if the experts thought it would improve security.

9/11 turned large swaths of this country into cowering imbeciles who will tolerate anything in the name of security.

PatrickforO

(14,605 posts)
22. Because it is the police mentality. It's the difference between community
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 02:46 PM
Jul 2016

policing where the cops are part of us, and fear-based policing where we are the enemy.

Since I hurt my knee I've been scared of this very thing.

 

annominous

(68 posts)
23. Sounds like time to petition the White House
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 02:52 PM
Jul 2016

for a response and action. Fire Neffenger. Fire the responsible TSA employees in Memphis. Demand accountability.

Jopin Klobe

(779 posts)
29. These so-called "people" have always been here ...
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 04:27 PM
Jul 2016

... they've come out from under their rocks because ...

... it's now the Republican thing to do ...

... this time, armed to the teeth with "semi"-automatic weapons ...

malaise

(269,331 posts)
30. But bbut but they are protecting you from
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 04:34 PM
Jul 2016

terrorists by terrorizing a sick woman
This one is fugging crazy

turbinetree

(24,745 posts)
31. They were given the "Power' under the Patriot Act
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 05:06 PM
Jul 2016

you know that law that says if you look crossed eyed at anyone in the power or authority-----------hold on to your hat--------------------they just don't F**ing care, they never ask question before the facts, they never ask questions after the fact, hell they make up there own rules, there are their rules and then there are no rules, take your pick, and hope that you don't get body slammed


Honk---------------------for a political revolution

G_j

(40,372 posts)
33. thank you
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 05:21 PM
Jul 2016

Patriot Act and 2006 reauthorization

Clinton and Sanders voted differently on the USA Patriot Act, a 2001 bill designed to combat terrorism, in part by granting broad surveillance powers to the National Security Agency. In her first year as a senator, Clinton voted in favor of the bill, while Sanders, by that time a 10-year veteran of the House, voted against it.

The pair did not change positions on votes to renew the legislation in 2005 and 2006.

Sanders voted against a second extension in 2011 as well, three years after Clinton left the Senate for the State Department.

turbinetree

(24,745 posts)
40. Your welcome ........................
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 10:14 PM
Jul 2016

Honk------------------for a political revolution


Democracy begins with you tag your it


red dog 1

(27,935 posts)
32. K&R...Thanks for posting.....Here are some links we can use to express our anger about this:
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 05:18 PM
Jul 2016

1).-- TSA says "Your feedback is very important to us"
so send Neffenger an e-mail via the TSA "Contact Us" link
http://www.tsa.gov/contact/contact-forms

2) -- Contact President Obama at the White House and ask him to do something about this
President Obama's e-mail address is -- president@whitehouse.gov

Or go to:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact#more
("Submit Your Comments and Questions Online)

Or call the White House Comment Line:
202-456-1111

Or do all of the above!

turbinetree

(24,745 posts)
41. Thanks..........................
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 10:16 PM
Jul 2016

Honk-------------------for a political revolution


Democracy begins with you tag your it


TransitJohn

(6,932 posts)
34. "WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE TSA AND THE MEMPHIS POLICE? " Answer:
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 05:36 PM
Jul 2016

When your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

DeadLetterOffice

(1,352 posts)
35. As a person with an invisible chronic condition...
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 07:10 PM
Jul 2016

... that can at times make it difficult for me to walk, think, or observe well, I can't begin to tell you how much I fear being subjected to the kind of treatment this young woman endured. I don't fly, but TSA aren't the only ones who act first and think later when dealing with disabled or ill persons.

tblue37

(65,552 posts)
36. The abuse stories horrify me. But I have to say that TSA agents have
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 07:48 PM
Jul 2016

always been thoughtful and helpful to me concerning my disabilities. I am severely hearing impaired, even with my hearing aids in, and I walk with a cane. When I have to go through the metal detector without my cane, an agent always takes my hand and helps me get through it without falling down. When I don't understand their instructions because of my deafness, they are very patient with me.

I suspect that a lot of the difference in experience has to do with which airports one is flying into or out of. I fly from Kansas City and to Pittsburg, PA, Washington, D.C, and DFW.

I also suspect that when someone's handicaps are of a sort that cause them to become nervous or frantic, that might cause agents with even an hidden strain of the bully in them to respond aggressively, the way other animals respond to signs of weakness and fear. Maybe it provokes a predator to prey response, the way a small child running in fear from a large dog will cause some dogs to give chase and forget it is not a wolf.

I also suspect that the bully types respond to any sign of weakness and vulnerability, and not all handicapped people manifest such signs. Although I am a 65-year-old overweight deaf woman, I have taught college for 43 years, I ran a home daycare for 18 years during which I (firmly) raised 37 kids, including my own two (all while teaching college), and project a rather forceful, no-nonsense presence.

Oh, and of course I am white. If I were a POC, I am quite certain that no amount of presence would protect me from abuse, any more than brilliant, world-famous scholar and Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates was protected from abuse by a snotty low IQ police officer who wanted him to "respect his authoritah!"

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