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uawchild

(2,208 posts)
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 11:32 AM Jul 2016

Is rampant Globalization pushing Right Wingers and Progressives together on trade issues?

It seems that working class people on both sides of the political spectrum are starting to voice the same fears over globalization and the resultant economic insecurity it is causing in their lives. I really wish we democrats as a party would do more to address these issues and not let right wing demagogues like Trump steal and pervert this issue with racism and xenophobia.

Here is an article by Pat Buchanan, and god knows he is a right wing nut bag, that confirms my fears that the right wing is trying to take ownership of this issue. Thank god Bernie Sanders fought the good fight for we democrats in bringing this economic injustice and job insecurity to the fore, and I hope that our presumptive nominee Hillary makes it a major part of her general election campaign going forward.
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Why Trump Challenges Free Trade
By PATRICK J. BUCHANAN • July 1, 2016

In Tuesday’s indictment of free trade as virtual economic treason, The Donald has really set the cat down among the pigeons.

For, in denouncing NAFTA, the WTO, MFN for China and the Trans-Pacific Partnership, all backed by Bush I and II, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, Trump is all but calling his own party leaders dunderheads and losers.

And he seems to be winning the argument.

As he calls for the repudiation of “globalism” and a return to “Americanism,” a Republican Congress renders itself mute on whether it will even vote on the TPP this year.

On trade, Bernie Sanders is closer to Trump. Even Hillary Clinton has begun to renounce a TPP she once called the “gold standard” of trade deals.

Where have all the troubadours of free trade gone? Why do economic patriots seem ascendant? Is this like the Cold War, where the other side gets up and goes home?

Answer. As Trump pointed out in Monessen in the Mon Valley of Pennsylvania, the returns from free trade are in, and the results are rotten.

Since Bush I, we have run $12 trillion in trade deficits, $4 trillion with China. Once a Maoist dump, China has become the greatest manufacturing power on earth. Meanwhile, the U.S. has lost 50,000 factories and a third of its manufacturing jobs.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/buchanan/why-trump-challenges-free-trade/

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uawchild

(2,208 posts)
3. Exactly
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 11:42 AM
Jul 2016

But the scary thing is the American Conservative site is trying to steal some issues that we democrats should own hands down (in particular I mean the issues of globalization effect on working families and caution on military interventionism). Read the Buchanan article and be afraid that right wing populism like his and Trump's will convince working people that they are their defenders. That's the issue I hope gets addressed.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
4. same thing happened with Judiciary Watch: CREW *would've* been at the forefront
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 11:47 AM
Jul 2016

but a certain guy with tall hair happened to buy it out 2014...

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
5. right wing Triangulation
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 12:09 PM
Jul 2016

Triangulation, in the Bill Clinton political sense, is what I think the right wing is up to. Cherry picking a few progressive issues to make the rest of their right wing agenda seem more palatable to some voters.

hunter

(38,353 posts)
7. Nationalism and racism are not Progressive.
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 12:53 PM
Jul 2016

Neither is raw capitalism, but that's another story.

Pat Buchanan is a Nazi.

 

RB TexLa

(17,003 posts)
8. Economic isolationism has always been a right wing position.
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 01:01 PM
Jul 2016

And don't worry as president Hillary will complete the TPP.

Teamster Jeff

(1,598 posts)
11. Wrong
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 01:29 PM
Jul 2016

All of the eleven " free" trade agreements on which Congress has voted since 2001 enjoyed the near-unanimous support of House Republicans, who backed ratification more than 91 percent of the time.

Also, they bailed out Obama in passing fast track against Democratic resistance.

Everybody in Washington love them some Corporate "free" trade agreements.

And if Hillary will complete the TPP, why isn't she campaigning on that issue?

cstanleytech

(26,364 posts)
12. Probably because TPP is seen as a poison pill for her campaign?
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 02:07 PM
Jul 2016

Still it would be interesting to see what differences there are for TPP from when she was advocating for it vs now though.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
14. I'm not sure that is the right term. Before FDR republicans raised tariffs repeatedly but it did not
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 02:30 PM
Jul 2016

benefit American workers, just American corporations.

If that is 'economic nationalism' it is a perverted definition of the term and not one that FDR would have agreed with. You could more easily describe FDR as an 'economic nationalist' in the sense that he acted in the interests of American workers with a host of liberal economic policies while expanding trade by lowering tariffs and eventually going with a multi-country trade organization.

I think calling right wing isolationism "economic nationalism" is giving conservatives way too much credit and damning FDR with faint praise. "Economic nationalism" is not walls and higher tariffs to isolate us from the rest of the world, but intelligent liberal policies (although they will not fit on a baseball cap) designed to raise living standards for American workers.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
9. God help the economic elites if that ever happens.
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jul 2016

As much as monied interests would like to conflate economic progressivism with "racist whites," they are not the same. But they are two responses working and middle class people have to their growing awareness they are disempowered and exploited. Conservatives respond to any crisis by looking for a cultural outgroup to blame. Liberal progressives keep their eyes on the money and the power, which is where the real problems lie.

But ideas like a fair minimum wage, debt protection, less interventionist warfare, and universal healthcare and education are gaining ground across the board. What no one is buying anymore is that the wealthy and their corporations know what's best for everyone.

It's going to be a mess, but the pendulum is already swinging.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
15. Sake of argument, say his opinion lines up with yours about this
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 02:41 PM
Jul 2016

Doesn't have to be from your perspective, but in a holistic sense. Same issue, two different sides. Would you vote against your own interests, in the big picture, just so that Buchanan would be wrong?

tritsofme

(17,444 posts)
16. Were I in a situation where President Obama and Buchanan took sides, and I'm with the Buchananites..
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 03:00 PM
Jul 2016

I think I would have to take serious pause, and reevaluate the validity of my assumptions.

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