Here's one page that claims to know:

The United States Has Killed At Least 8 Million People
In The Last 50 Years For The Greedy Capitalistic
Corporate Profits Controlled By The 1% Oligarchy
( Source: Philip Bradbury, Insight Magazine, November 2001 )
http://www.peaceonearth.net/8million.htm

and financed by the US.
If it's the latter, we're talking millions.

The United States wasn't fighting the Cold War all by itself.

The Iraq war wasn't part of the cold war, people are still dying there.

To say "yes, our military killed THIS many people, but for a good reason" is one thing, but it seems many people are reluctant to even acknowledge the number dead.

Case in point, how many people do you think the US has killed since WWII?

By concentrating on the number of people killed.

Why not ask "How many people have our enemies killed since WWII?", since it's really the same question.

Please don't drag the discussion down to personal attacks and "characterizations" of other posters like you just did here.

"You're trying to characterize everything that the US has done since 1945 in a negative light By concentrating on the number of people killed. " Um, no, I am trying to get people to take a moment and reflect on the number of people the US has killed since WWII. Its something many Americans seem unable or unwilling to do.

Some people seem unable to even just say the number that they think is accurate, and, honestly, your avoidance of providing your own estimate of those deaths along with any rational for them you feel is valid just serves to make my point for me.

Why is it so hard for you to answer this question?

Take your time. No need to rush your response, but let me politely ask you again, how many people do you think the US has killed since WWII? Feel free to justify any of those you feel inclined to.

Let's say you are right, and the whole point of this type of discussion is to prove "America BAD!". Does that mean you get to argue that "America GOOD!" without any honest recognition of our history, without any intellectual honesty? It takes serious blinders to do that, and it represents the worst of U.S. exceptionalism. Is there no in between?

Wouldn't it serve America** better to recognize and acknowledge where our policies and military action have made things worse for certain people or nations so we can learn from it and be a better force in the world as we move forward? Because as long as we keep our national(ist) blinders on we can never do that. As they say, history repeats...

**I asterisked 'America' because America is actually 2 continents and many countries, not just the US, and that is another thing that needs to be recognized, acknowledged and altered in our language. Yet another sign of U.S. exceptionalism.

but then I wrote it. lol

Sorry, but I can't help but seem to think you are reluctant to actually answer the question asked. Is the number of deaths too large perhaps?

But you made a good suggestion, lets all please re-read my original post at the start of this thread, I think it made some good points.

You didn't even respond to a thing I said. You've made my point for me. Not gonna waste more time with this subthread.

Seriously! That's a right-wing talking point.

Saying that our enemies made us do it is not a legitimate or honest answer.

The OP seems to be parroting that line, not me.

It's a legitimate question, and one that deserves serious discussions instead of ignorant redirects.

How many murders were caused by presidents and congress is the correct question.

It's just hard to wrap one's head around that many people getting killed, but it's the fucked up truth.

Fuck war and evil war profiteers.



By the way, we didn't exactly go easy on German prisoners of war ourselves.

Actually we did. Especially compared to Russian treatment of POW's. Most all US POWs made it home to Germany.

Of the almost 100,000 Germans of the 6th Army who surrendered at Stalingrad, only about 6,000 made it home alive. So about 95% of them died in captivity.

and there is this--

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_Losses

I found it trying to find another article that talked about the death of German POWs after the war in US camps. I'm not claiming Eisenhower killed German soldiers en masse on purpose, but there certainly was a lot of death.

If you do a google images search on "eisenhower+pow+camps"

The pictures are pretty horrific.

Our history in the Middle East has probably caused millions of deaths there, I think, including our deep participation in the Iraq-Iran War, later sanctions against Iraq that made disease a killer of so many Iraqis -- including children, the War in Afghanistan (the Taliban offered to send Osama to a neutral country for trial if the Bush supplied evidence that Osama was culpable for 9-11 but Bush refused and started an unnecessary war), the unholy invasion of Iraq with hundreds of thousands killed by military action and it's destabilizing effects, etc., etc.

And certainly we brought unnecessary death to Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, etc.

I sure don't have the numbers in front of me, nor am I a historian, but the awful stink of death is on our hands.

Thanks for adding to this discussion.

Commander and chief after all.

Our politicians are just the mirror of the American electorate. I think we as a nation are responsible for our country's actions, not just one man or a few generals.

For the decisions of one man. Nobody asked me if we should build drones and bomb people from the sky.
Politicians are motivated by power and greed, to blame the American electorate is bullshit, we're giving two choices every 4 years, and it doesn't matter apparently which douche we choose, people are going to die either way.

Was the US the aggressor in Vietnam and Korea? What about Afghanistan? Regardless of what people think about the fact that we still have troops in Afghanistan, the invasion following 9/11 was completely justified.

On edit, "caused" and "killed" are two separate concepts, correct?

Is the answer perhaps not what you would expect? Honestly, why are so many posters avoiding answering this question? Embarrassment perhaps?

Who has killed or caused the death of more people since WWII, the US or Russia?

Here. You got it. Happy now?
http://www.countercurrents.org/lucas240407.htm
- and yes, it is much more causalities than Soviet/Russia can be credited for.

For a more qualified view on war and peace, see this:
http://www.visionofhumanity.org/#page/indexes/global-peace-index/2015

You will never find a sober answer, since the numbers flex with world view. Some people can tell you, that the A-bombs thrown at Japan saved millions of lives. For the leaders of Japan they were just two more cities destroyed, and changed nothing in the view of the war... Etc!