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THIS Jackshit Delusionals post
And thanks for signing up to support the next President of the US! 
And I agree with you 100% about the use of any of those words towards any woman and especially towards the Dem nominee! 
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well, I'll let you read it.
Go have a look. See what you find. It's a hell of a lot different from JPR.
a bunch of knuckle-dragging, hypocritical cheeto-eaters Freepers are. Not very complimentary to the Jackass Delusionals, I'll give you that. But the Jackass Delusionals made their own stinky bed, and now they lie in it.
Here they are supporting Trump. REALLY PROGRESSIVE.
They are not allowing anyone to trash other forums or members from other forums. In other words, no matter how nasty people are here toward them, they cannot respond in kind.
Too bad that rule doesn't apply here.
And if that thread was supposed to be a comparison to FR, I don't know what to tell you. 
I don't agree with some of the things I read over there, but then I don't agree with some of what I read here either. Seems there is no place for someone like me.
though I am quite sure, it burns them so.
No quarter for sites that promote Trump, trash Democrats and praise Republicans like Gowdy - let alone the praise for killing cops that popped up today.
That kind of filth deserves what it gets.
Democrats, on Democratic Underground calling someone out for attempting to shut down discussion of a misogynistic, Trump enabling, anti-Democratic bullshit website is
JUST LIKE a site that bans people for even suggesting they will vote for the Democratic nominee
But then holds this policy
Whilst claiming to be "progressive"
Hope Agent Mike pays attention 
who I respected. Who showed wisdom, humor, and civility and now have revealed an ugly side of themselves. I'm saddened. I thought we as Democrats, Progressives. Liberals were better than that. 
to move past. Weeks on, and here we still are. So helpful for the coming together. Not.
for a whole year. That included posting of articles from worldnutdaily, faux news and others.
Under site's purpose and TOS, now that she is the nominee, unfair attacks on her were prohibited. However, criticism to make Hillary a better candidate is still allowed.
against him on this site also
DU has been founded and maintained to support democratic candidates and democratic causes.
Hillary Clinton is the democratic nominee and thus, the goal of this site is to get her elected.
Yes, I personally like this site because it is 100% for getting Hillary elected. Not 99.99% but 100%. I don't agree with Hillary's positions 100% but do NOT let that confuse you with my 100% effort to get her elected.
This is not a site designed to sow discord, instill fear or propagate doubt about the democratic nominee. It is ok if you don't agree with a candidate 100%. No one does except with a candidate that you see in the mirror.
As you already know, some people may not find it "fun" and perhaps we don't have an "independent thought." But them's the rules. If by "fun" one means hatred for Hillary, Trump-humping or promoting Jill Stein, one may have already found a new home!
Just make it all about Clintons and conspiracies. 
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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #2)
So hard to discern why. 
they are accused openly of being secret Hillary lovers and more or less hounded off the site. So it wouldn't even take a "kind word", just an intimation that a whackjob Republican pathological narcissist could possibly be as bad as Satan Herself.
We'll have to agree to disagree. Have a great evening. 
Constant confirmation of suspicions going in, plus just plain terminal aversion therapy from pulling up information they don't want to find.
DU was comprised of 85% BS supporters throughout the primaries, which meant that 85% of the jury pool were Bernie supporters. Anti-Bernie posts were alerted and hidden, while anti-HRC posts were left to stand regardless of how utterly vile they were.
So let's stop with the pretense that Bernie and his supporters were the ones being bashed. We all know what went on here; we all lived with it for a year.
If you want "fear" and "paranoia", JPR is the appropriate site. Posters there are constantly railing about how the entire country will be devastated by an HRC presidency, and are convinced that everyone who doesn't support Bernie is part of a vast conspiracy that stole the election for Hillary.
And I'm saying this in a manner that I hope will be looked at as discussion and not a means to try and alert on my post:
My general sense of the site, which is very similar in many ways to DU, pre-2016 primary. Yeah, there may be a few assholes who want to swear and use potty mouth (almost in a flagrant FU to DU, even though most probably don't bother to use those words anyway, and some are just trolls in an on-line world)... So, don't click on those threads, they don't interest me.
I think, for many, they are overly progressive. They, we are the one's who were actively marching against the Iraq War because we knew it was all lies and bullshit. Many were fighting against the trade deals before they were shoved down America's throat. What I see, in particular, is a struggle for the heart of what is a "Democrat"? Corporate triangulation or progressive people's party... That is a real struggle and we see it on the committee votes on platform alone... The other MAJOR issue I see as an issue no one can escape from, is climate change. The fact that the USA isn't leading on this like we are racing to the moon is a disaster world wide over. We are nearly past the tipping point now. We need to policy and change
NOW. "Fracking" should be a 4-letter word for anyone who is liberal or progressive.
For me personally, I see a whole picture of interconnected issues that are emerging at a head all at once... And now is the time we can address those issues. I quite frankly don't give a rats ass who it is that takes this all on, and quite honestly, it's congress that actually writes laws and passes budgets, so push for a progressive legislative branch, and send the bills to Clinton's desk for all I care.
Ok, so what is emerging all at once is an environmental disaster on a world wide stage, a change in human need for manual labor to machine, computer, and robots doing the work, and a world that for better or worse has been forced into "globalization" at the same time that "capitlaism" is essentially "dead" (otherwise it wouldn't have to be propped up by govt tax monies every 10'yrs or so- we are a out to hit a recession from stagnation mainly because "main st"/ 99% never emerged out of the last recession in a manner that can keep a "consumer economy" flush with real labor money).
It's really time to be addressing on a global scale how to really deal with climate change effects and begin to do the work. (We can't frack our way into a future, the methane release is worse than burning coal powered plants). And we need a model of "living". What is a "good" life that allows everyone a decency to fundamentals of living a healthy, happy life? And as the "work labor" can decrease, what can we do with our "free time" to make our life experiences even more fulfilling? We need a new economic model that values wealth in an entirely different manner.
And who will lead? Even Bernie, as much as I love him, was only speaking to FDR terms of labor, work, value... And that's still very much based on a capitalistic model and supply/ demand economy that is unsustainable for our future on this planet. As it is now, I can have hope, but pessimism is beginning to weigh on me...
And I think, the deal with Bernie is that it was almost (or as some see it "stolen" , regardless, reality of the human mindset sees that the two presidential candidates are Trump and Clinton. And many of us can't hang on much longer piecemealing together an existence of barely squeezing by. It's really been quite awful for many people since the 2000's after the dot com crash. And now add on top of that the automation production wiping out even the cheap Chinese labor, and we are going to enter an extremely volatile environmental crisis with many people living already in "dire extremes" from the global economy and endless wars in the ME.
So, people react differently to the stress. People want to be critical. People want to be heard. And they need and outlet to do so... The tone will translation after the convention... Just give people time to adjust their "fight strategy" because progressive's are normally fighting against the machine; and we almost toppled that machine over... So, let people find their footing in a new political reality and how they keep that idea of "revolution" continuing in a way that brings about positive, meaningful changes that help everyone.
i think some of the blowback backwards and picking on another discussion board has a bit to do with people not falling in line. As they always say, it's nearly impossible to heard cats... And that's why we aren't Republicans.
I look, I'll definitely tell you.
I spit out my drink!!! 
... and seem to feel the need to work them out in public.
If somebody saw it before it was zapped, PM me? I'm crushed! Lol.
I've spent a lot of time on this thread talking to "post removed." We're besties now. 
some genuine strong conservatives who live in regions traditionally conservative Democrat. Of course. Fwiw, even though they always vote for a Republican president, every election we still lose more of them officially to the GOP.
One nice thing about nominating Hillary is that we should lose as many this time around as we lost with Obama.
if a trend like that continues in time, who will be left around to vote Democratic...
They sure do have an obsession with DU. 
In which they're praising Chaffetz and Gowdey for trying to save the country from Evil Hillary. The site seems to have been coopted (I mean "redesigned" by a right wing faction and certain former Democrats are too dim to realize it.
Senator Sanders must be so proud.
I confess to ignorance! I am just a big dumb hick!
(I still don't like those words though)
Someone we know saw post 18
Glowing admiration of Gowdy, of all people. Praising Republicans while trashing Cummings... all Hillary related.
From their "Hillary nicknames" thread:
http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?10687-Hillary-nicknames
At least that's what I overheard at the local pub.
Seems a few DUers still here frequent that establishment or are in the process of making it their permanent safe haven from reality.
fidiots. 
This town got its enema when the biggest trolls decamped for JPR.
Sid
some are even hosts of forums
My good intention is for them to see to what level their zeal has gone and hopefully they will support the democratic nominee and democrats in all elections.
Democrats should not fall prey to republican/libertarian dirty tricks to damage our nominee.
The sunlight, it burns them. Just look in this thread.
No quarter should be given here for Trump supporters. None.
here they are supporting Trump
I used to work at an aluminum smelting plant. During the process for each batch we would skim the slag off the top. That was the nasty, worthless material that served no purpose. We turned out aluminum that was 99.9% pure, and the slag went into the trash heap. Our aluminum was only 99.9% pure, but we just didn't seem to be able to get rid of that 1/10th of 1%. It did not affect the quality of our product, and was barely a minor nuisance.
pine sap is the worst.
I could not resist.
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Lotsa authoritarians.
is so progressively used and rec'ed. 
have you ever read this:
Cunt: A Declaration of Independence is a 1998 feminist book by Inga Muscio that called for a breakdown in the boundaries between women and sexuality. In it, the writer hopes to reverse the negative connotations behind female pejoratives. The books traverses such subjects as menstruation, rape, and competition between women.
The book was placed at number six on a list of "Best-Selling Lesbian Books" in May 2000 by Curve magazine. The magazine gave the work a positive review and recommended it to their readers. off our backs praised the book, and noted its importance for women and feminists. Herizons called the book an enjoyable read and one of the best within the field of feminism and the female body since Women's Bodies, Women's Wisdom. The book received a critical review from Publishers Weekly.
Cunt inspired a movement called Cuntfest, a celebration of women, and Cuntfest events were held with multiple artists in different cities in the United States after the book's publication. The book became an important piece of the movement Third-wave feminism, and was required reading in a course about women's health at the University of Virginia.
. . . .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cunt:_A_Declaration_of_Independence
and this:
. . .
Cunt (Kunda): Derived from the Oriental Great Goddess Cunti, also known as The Yoni (vulva) of the Uni-verse. Other words coming from the same source are "cunabula", a cradle or first abode, "Cunina," a Roman Goddess who protected children in the cradle, "cuntipotent, having all powerful cunt-magic, "cunicle", a hole or passage, "cundy"; a culvert; also cunning, kenning and ken meaning knowledge, learning, insight, remembrance and wisdom. In ancient writings the meaning of the word was synonymous with "woman". Kunda : Saharan, Goddess of the Kuntahs a tribe who traced their beginnings to "the cleft of the Goddess". Kundas were children begotten out of wedlock and were considered divine gifts of the Goddess Kunda.
. . .
http://thejourneyofalotus.blogspot.com/2009/08/great-goddess.html
it is helpful to know that many of the word men use to denigrate and insult women were originally titles and words referring to goddesses. the patriarchy flipped them. some of us reclaim the words by refusing to see them as insults.
Response to niyad (Reply #636)
No, I haven't read it but will check it out.
"Journalist"
"Historian"
"Medical Professional"
"First Responder"
Expert on;
Nuclear accidents
The food chain
Triage milk
International relations
International treaties
International law
I'm leaving out so much, I know but . . .
How DO WE SURVIVE without her?
surely we will all perish
picked up at a yard sale. The legitimate fire/rescue and LEOs must just LOVE her.
Every town and area seems to have that one crank that sits and listens to their scanner and then chases the firetrucks, pretending to be someone of consequence but generally just creating a hazard and being a pain in the ass.
So. I guess maybe she found her calling after all.
They're farther left than even strong-liberal Democrats like me, yet not radical to the point that extremism takes over their thinking. It may be that some are actually just far-left liberal, again like me, but wanting more change than the Democrats will commit to, and not radical in personality at all.
In any case, what they need is a closed, by-invitation site, because the arsonists and lost-down-the-rabbit-hole crowd will show up wherever they are otherwise.
Btw, there is a closed Socialist Democrat, or Democratic Socialist, site that is closed. I tried to join to see who they were and what they believed (genuinely interested), but they wouldn't have me. , but overall that's probably a positive sign. Might be worth checking out for some for whom JPR is not the answer.
Kudos to the admin
I was wrong and right here on DU! 
But boy that 1% is freakin NUTS!
To actually believe some of the RWing CT shit about HRC. Anyone that knows me, knows I am NOT one to shy away from CTs and will listen to them objectively...but boy howdy...REALLY? REALLY? Buying into the bullshit that HRC is some kind of mafia don or has control over a secret gaggle of hedge fund managers!?
That shit is wacked!
had to leave and start their own site. Democrats? Progressives? Liberals? My tush...
Maybe Ayn Rand. 
Thanks for your nice words.
Speaking of the UK, it's 12:30 here and bedtime for me. Night!
Thanks for the !!!!!!!!!
...
Casebook example...
... as I could have been.
But everything changes. It's OK. I'll see you at the new place.
of you not giving a shit what was posted at other sites just a couple short months ago?
Can't people "evolve"? Only reason I ever gave a crap about the situation you describe, IIRC, assuming we're talking about the same one-- was that I was being called out by name there. That's how it came to my attention in the first place.
But I learned since then that answering drama with more drama is not only hypocritical, it's counterproductive.
There are current, active DU members being directly and deliberately called out by name in this very thread.
That to me sounds like it meets the textbook definition.
There was an OP with a screencap of another site where they were discussing trying to get an alert on a current DU'er (not you). I won't link to it because it's a DU post and it is directly about a current DUer, and that would be inappropriate.
In that matter, because it involved the discussion of a DUer on "your side," your criticism was aimed at the posters on the other website.
We are in General Election mode, and consequently we are all on the same side now. This time, for some reason, your criticism is aimed instead at DUers who have chosen to discuss and expose a rather vile, misogynistic website site that exists mostly to oppose the Democratic nominee and other Democrats, with a blossoming and spreading contingent who are advocating for Trump.
It just seems odd.
Yeah, I don't have much time for DU, even, these days. I haven't signed up for the other site, I haven't -not- signed up, either. I've said I'm supporting the nominee, so abiding by DU's rules regarding such every 4 years isn't too hard for me.
So yes, to all you say, here.
Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #387)
Because they will not be able to stand the disagreement of a primary in 2020. They will turn on each other.
That place is boring as can be. No disagreement and nothing to support at the same time. 
...
Caught in the act.....Bwaaahaaaaaaa!
Yipppeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Yes, indeed, a constant source of mirth and merriment they are.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=271787
their inner core of hatred for the Democratic Party and our nominee.
Numbers don't lie.
Notice in particular how very concerned they are with down-ticket races.
2x the topics and 3x the replies against the Democratic party and the nominee as there are about Mr. Sanders himself or anything connected to him.
Numbers don't lie.
So, that's one good outcome!
So well stated Squinch.
and it's good to see you too, Sea...,You're right. We
haven't crossed patths in awhile.
Response to cosmicone (Original post)
toward BS supporters.
They had, up until a few days ago, an entire forum dedicated to trashing DU and people who post on DU. It was one long hate fest about all of us.
But, you know, it's totally different. Because they are pure and we are oligarchs and banksters.
I keep being tempted to say, "Oh, yes. He's over there too."
Jury: this is not about a current DU member.
nominee for President, Hillary Clinton! 
Response to cosmicone (Original post)
Response to hrmjustin (Reply #697)
Praise Gowdy, Mitch McConnell and Chaffetz, while conservatives vote for Democrats.
and are voting for Trump
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Not much as far as I can tell.
I see Cali pushing back on some of the worst disinformation disseminated there, and for that she gets smeared as an HRC troll. There's even a thread where she defends our primary candidate Bernie Sanders against some stupid attacks made by other posters there, and for that she's smeared as a HRC troll as well.
Do you push back on the more egregious disinformation/misinformation there? Do you educate those who praise regressive Republicans by showing their voting records? Did you educate those trashing Elijah Cummings about his voting record and history? How amazing he was during the gun sit in?
Do you point out that no one murdered Vince Foster? Argue against baseless conspiracy theory and taking Fox 'News' at face value?
Do you point out that Trump's positions are egregious and go against everything Bernie and the progressive moment stands for?
Defend posters like Luminous Animal who are uncomfortable with calling women cunts? Get mad and speak out when they get banned for expressing that discomfort?
Were you uncomfortable when posters suggested in a leering manner that the female mods are having sex with the site founder?
If so good on you! Unfortunately it will probably eventually get you banned.
The light needs to be kept shinning on JPR and sites like it so that if someone says "hey, check out JPR. They let you say what you want there." the response can be "Heard all about it, not interested in a right-wing pro-trump hate site."
So, I am NOW a Secretary Clinton supporter, and will do my best (since I've been doing since 1972) to get the Democratic nominee elected.
YOUR POST sucks so hard, and only HURTS your support for the Secretary's candidacy, that you should self-delete NOW!
SHAME SHAME SHAME as you scurry off... 
They are every bit our enemies as are the denizens of Free Republic. It is beyond impossible to find common ground with people like that. I am sure they feel the same way about us.
-On that site Hillary is called the C word
-There are prayers she will die
-Bill Clinton is said to be suffering from AIDS
-House Republicans are applauded for their e-mail indictment incitement
The seminal poster deserves a medal for shining a light on their perfidy.
...because my candidate did not prevail. As Mom always said, it is what it is.
But, the time has come for unity. This is much like the summer of 1968. Social issues are at the forefront. I really don't care what takes place at a fringe website. But, I hope all here at DU, my home page for 15 years, understands that we need to stop the candidacy of someone who is the BIGGEST danger to our Democracy since the Civil War. No melodrama here, "it is what it is."
But this OP only serves to divide, NOT to understand and to unify.
Mine is a simple plea.
And discuss what's going on here rather than discussing important issues of the day. I've always been grateful that we don't do that here...
Have spent most of my time here as a mod or a host or on MIRT, felt that it was more important to support this board and give something back for all I've learned here since the lead up to the invasion of Iraq.
Back in 2004 I actually went there and defended John Kerry and his military service. Several backed down since I was armed with the facts - except this one hostile creep who said he wouldn't listen to me until I read John O'Neill's book - and as far as I know, I'm still a member there in good standing, for what that's worth. But after the awful attacks on Andy Stephenson - who was one of my first friends on DU - I learned my lesson and never went back. 
I'm grateful for all I have learned on DU over the years, and I'd rather continue that journey than deal with the uninformed and angry. It's amazing to me how obsessed they are with us, even to the point of discussing individual DUers! I agree it's a pointless waste of time and bandwidth, and it speaks well for us that we almost never see that here.
I tried trolling FR, back in the day and found it to be a boring waste of time. I think most of them are lost causes.
And AFAIAC LBN still has the latest news and world events. Still, many times DU will scoop a story long before the mainstream media picks it up. We are still at the forefront of information and I think it drives those that rely on lies to live day to day absolutely crazy.
The obsession over our site and the members has to be very unhealthy, I wish they could find a more productive hobby.
Thanks for all the work you do here Rhiannon.
I'm sure I can come up with at least one...
Missed the italicized part, did ya?
Oh, patronizing folks is the sine qua non of you and you and your cohorts. It must be nice to go through life thinking you are better than everybody else. I would ask where that sense of self assurance gets you if I expected a candid answer.
P. S. Send my love to the denizens of that board.
I wear your ad hominems like a crown.
Mea culpa, the forum was closed and every trace of it was erased, kind of like the Soviets air brushing figures out of photos who fell in disfavor with the party.
Who is the annointed one?
Can you please share with me how your ad hominem attacks:
comport with the rules the Administrators have established for our board:
Do not personally attack, insult, flame, threaten, bully, harass, stalk, negatively call-out, ascribe ugly ulterior motives to, or make baseless claims about any member of this community. Do not post in a manner that is hostile, abusive, or aggressive toward any member of this community.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice
And
, as always.
Ad hominem reasoning is not always fallacious, for example, when it relates to the credibility of statements of fact or when used in certain kinds of moral and practical reasoning.[3]
Since you have proferred no discernable argument,there can be no fallacy.
As for the rules of the board, that is a subject in which you lack authority. Your passive-aggressive threat notwithstanding. My posts can be adjuicated by my peers, and if the administration deems me to be out of line with the new program, they can do as they please.
I believe I know what an ad hominem attack is and when a person is being patronizing, your obscurantism notwithstanding.
As always:
-DemocratSinceBirth
As always,
Just once, for a change of pace.
Thank you for patronizing one of the denizens of this board. That's what I always loved most about you and your cohorts.
I decided to have mushroom ravioli for lunch. Yummy.
I mean, dayam!!
...toward the end, the "Jew-hating"?
That faux accusation has been floating around this site on and off for almost a year now. WHERE ARE THEY?
In truth, they don't exist. We've seen phony contrived "dog whistles" created to conform with so-called "anti-Semitic" posts (which in fact were NOT) and then pointed at as "ooooh, they're anti-Semitic"!! And when asked to clarify, the accusers turn tail and run.
So, where are those threads and post?
One last thing, what does this mean, which you just posted: "That is why I'm no longer here".
i can't imagine any of them being members here at DEMOCRATIC underground!
Could it be they are just nasty RWers using the names of good DUers here in an attempt to smear their monikers?
That "my state will go blue so I don't have to vote for Democrats"...expression..is particularly, how shall I put this.. I'll just just quote Dr. King:
"nothing in the world is more dangerous than than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"
And follow with a facepalm
Sid
To each their own. If they want to live there, then more power to them. Does it matter? No, not at all imo. I have this feeling, many will come back here and stay low key.
I do believe many will leave when BS throws all his weight behind HRC.
Tyty...this thread has been one of the better discussion threads on DU in a long time imo.
DI has some real sad people posting there, many seem to think the End of the World is every other weekend. 
No kidding!
I thought I still had a bottle of dipping stuff in the fridge but didn't. I'd already started to boil the noodles and had to quickly prepare the broth from scratch, which caused me to go into paroxysms a little, but it turned out fine. I'm still here.
j/k
did you say something?
[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]But I usually do with them as I did with that poster, I ignore them and do my own thing.
Okay, for complete transparency, I did make one joke about voting for Cthulhu but that was about it 
Either way I oppose all republicans and WILL be voting for Hillary come November.
I care too much about the Supreme court and civil rights and liberties to ever let orange skinned Hitler wannabe within 100miles of the presidency.[/font]
So often when the posters over there would post here in the past, I would think, "That person is either a troll or deluded. They are not liberal or Democratic. They are the opposition. They work against liberals and Democrats."
And there they are over there, proving that to be an absolutely accurate assessment.
So many of those posters spent most of their time criticizing the rest of us for our lack of purity. And there they are, reading Fox and 4chan, wallowing in racism and sexism and batshit crazy conspiracy theories, and pledging to vote for Trump.
It's somehow a very satisfying validation.
Anything else you wanted to know?
Sometimes you just have to process your feelings along with clearing out their junk, especially if you find out they are relentlessly badmouthing you behind your back.
I'll bet we can get to 1,000 posts before midnight somewhere.
to keep the light on.
You're welcome.
Someone on my March post said, there's a dissertation worth of interesting psychological material on political discussion boards. I tend to agree.
Sid
I agree with whomever upthread said this was a good opportunity to blow off steam post-primaries. There were a lot of people here who never veered into incivility, but were continually abused by some of the people on JPR who have now revealed themselves to never have been progressives (as evidenced by the fact they are voting for Trump) and would never have supported the nominee. Possibly not even if it had been Bernie. If Bernie had won, they would have found fault with him in some way. When group polarisation that strong sets in, by the end of the process no one is pure enough. If he'd won the primary and complimented Hillary on her performance, for example, that would have likely been enough for them to turn on him.
I don't think it's healthy for this thread to run on and on. Not for them (don't care, they are Trump voters and therefore my enemy) but for us. We needed this catharsis, but we've still got an election to win.
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they are either being silent or joining in because of Stockholm syndrome! I wouldn't know which applies.
It's gotten to where people are getting smacked upside the head for saying anything nice about Elizabeth Warren.
That was hilarious! 
This thread must be giving whatever thread that was a run for its money!
and the Democratic nominee are complaining on a Democratic board about people supporting Trump and the Republicans ?
Means I agree with everything saud on DU right?
