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The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun ... (Original Post) Kablooie Jul 2016 OP
How did the bad guy become wounded and holed up in a standoff? Nt jmg257 Jul 2016 #1
Well it started with picking off 10 cops. morningfog Jul 2016 #2
Good point Warpy Jul 2016 #3
Not really. Straw Man Jul 2016 #11
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is legislation. Initech Jul 2016 #4
if they are a truly determined bad guy legislation probably won't stop them AntiBank Jul 2016 #6
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #8
If guns were illegal, they'd be very, very expensive. Marr Jul 2016 #9
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #10
Not only that but there were so many men who were open carrying applegrove Jul 2016 #5
Chaos...that is right. But you are thinking logically. rusty quoin Jul 2016 #7

Warpy

(111,480 posts)
3. Good point
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 01:08 AM
Jul 2016

Guns make too many people feel safer than they are. A whole line of cops trained in firearm use were no match for a semiauto rifle with a 10 round magazine, which is what the news said he had. All they could do was dive for cover if they weren't dead yet.

That good guy with a gun only have a chance if the gun is out and pointing at the bad guy when he starts to shoot and that's not going to happen very often.

Straw Man

(6,628 posts)
11. Not really.
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 03:04 AM
Jul 2016
A whole line of cops trained in firearm use were no match for a semiauto rifle with a 10 round magazine, which is what the news said he had.

If they truly were "no match" for the shooter, he would still be at large and killing people. They engaged him and cornered him. If they hadn't, the whole robot ploy would not have been possible.

That good guy with a gun only have a chance if the gun is out and pointing at the bad guy when he starts to shoot and that's not going to happen very often.

So why aren't all the cops dead? If what you say is true, he should have been able to kill the entire Dallas PD. After all, he "had the drop on them," right?

It's a sad irony that the police had a very subdued presence there due to the peaceful nature of the protest: they weren't all geared up with body armor, helmets, long guns, etc. This had to have been deliberate, and ordinarily would have been a very wise choice. Unfortunately, the night turned out to be anything but ordinary.

Initech

(100,152 posts)
4. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is legislation.
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 01:18 AM
Jul 2016

Legislation that prevents said bad guy from getting his hands on firearms in the first place!

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
6. if they are a truly determined bad guy legislation probably won't stop them
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 01:26 AM
Jul 2016

That said, legislation can stop a shit tonne of the insane regular (so depressing to call it regular) day to day killing like accidents, suicides, crimes of passion and mental illness caused escalations to lethality.

Response to Initech (Reply #4)

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
9. If guns were illegal, they'd be very, very expensive.
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 02:12 AM
Jul 2016

Not many violent losers have $20k to spend.

No one expects criminals to obey the law.

Response to Marr (Reply #9)

applegrove

(118,965 posts)
5. Not only that but there were so many men who were open carrying
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 01:23 AM
Jul 2016

yesterday night in Dallas, who all started running away when the shooting started like all the other protesters (as well they should), that the police had reports of a dozen different shooters. Very well may have caused some more casualties with all that confusion. We were warned that a 'good guy with a gun' would just lead to more chaos and indeed it looks like it did.

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