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(738 posts)Are they powerless to stop it, or just don't feel like it?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Old Union Guy
(738 posts)Working class solidarity does not require me to love any member of the ruling class, even a president I voted for and his appointees.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)That makes more sense.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)They can all make limited measures to mitigate this problem, limitations indicative to their particular offices.
But let's not forget that severe backlashes against them happen even when they all have the temerity to simply acknowledge that the problem exists, much less take any concrete action.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)if Black people could end, or even affect, institutionalized racism/white supremacy, we would have already done so.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Is deeply entrenched. The people you mention have fought for improvements. No one thought electing Obama was going to fix it.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Many are dumping on now because he made the giant mistake is saying they could accomplish more if thy signed up to be police officers, how dare him say that.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)Dallas has had police dropping out left and right because he is putting up with any nonsense from officers.
He's being bashed by police forces in other cities for sticking to his guidelines and firing bad cops.
This would be a great time for some of these folks to help by becoming part of the force.
I think he's doing a great job from everything I've read and the data I've sifted through thus far.
He probably should have left out the part about the "being part of the problem" imo.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)" how dare him say that..."
How dare people express a sentiment you disagree with.
Six of one, half a dozen of the other-- and each as interpretive and petulant as the other. However, I really do empathize-- as I understand it's simply ethically convenient to indict others for the very same actions we rationalize in ourselves.
midnight
(26,624 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,030 posts)Really?
Old Union Guy
(738 posts)TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)Instead of the republican convention you should go the NAACP Convention and say those things. You'll find a lot of friends there, I'm sure!
lib87
(535 posts)Are they powerless to stop it, or just don't feel like it?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the President, Attorney General, and Secretary of homeland security do to stop it?
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)rury
(1,021 posts)black and need to be part of a lasting solution. They are called federal and state legislators, judges, state attorneys general, district attorneys, prosecutors, probation and parole board members and freaking law enforcement personnel.
It takes more than three highly visible black people in the federal government - even with all of the authority of their respective offices - to address this longstanding problem. Your overly simple suggestion works only in dictatorships. You're welcome for the civics lesson.
Solly Mack
(90,803 posts)Response to MrScorpio (Original post)
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Gothmog
(146,035 posts)brer cat
(24,673 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,089 posts)jaysunb
(11,856 posts)zz-la
(224 posts)For so many people in this country they look and see black people in a way that they would never look upon a white person. It's easy to incarcerate and execute people that are dehumanized from the word go.
VOX
(22,976 posts)150+ years out, and STILL stuck in this conflict. And worse, there's a real chance that war could be lost if its lessons are not applied. Damn, Americans are slow and stubborn. And small-minded.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)how sad and truthful.
chowder66
(9,112 posts)This should be on billboards across the country, in ads, in newspapers, on protest signs.... Plastered Everywhere.
zentrum
(9,866 posts)
..is just one aspect of all the things that were done under Jim Crow.
And in lots of ways and parts of the country, "segregation" did not end in 1954. It's not at all the case that all Black Americans had to deal with since 1954 was mass incarceration. Jim Crow just kind went underground with a wink and a nod.
The chart shows though that it's been a 400 year Apartheid-type country.
mountain grammy
(26,677 posts)but not all of it. Part of that experience must be the perseverance, resilience, and the courage to fight back and for change. I look at this chart and see the worst that had been done to a people and feel hopeless, but real hope, change, and optimism came from these same people and that's had a huge impact on the total American experience, even while full equality is still a dream. Chris Rock said, to say black people have progressed is to say everything that happened to them was their fault, and I completely agree. He also said white people were crazy, now they're less crazy, putting the blame where it belongs. But the credit goes to a people who fought enormous odds just to survive, much less excel, but they did.
The white race has been writing the rules for a long time, but that's changing too, and it can't happen soon enough.
struggle4progress
(118,379 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)struggle4progress
(118,379 posts)Why doesn't Sambo go to school with us, Mommy?
Well, his people just aren't smart enougn to learn reading and arithmetic. So the kindest thing we can do is to put them to work in the cotton fields as soon as they're old enough
And why are his clothes always so raggedy?
That's because his people are all so lazy. Some of them won't even work unless we whip them
And after the war:
Why are so many of Sambo's brothers on the chain-gang, Mommy?
Well, his people are naturally violent criminals. So they do bad things, like stealing or talking back, and then we have to arrest them and punish them to teach them how to behave
KelleyKramer
(9,022 posts)Should be shared far and wide
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)or something...
DrBulldog
(841 posts)The period from 1954 to 1981 is not part of the mass incarceration period. This period needs to be re-defined as a civil rights era that acted as a protest period for African-Americans - a time that was temporarily an optimistic one when Jim Crow had been significantly pushed back until Reagan's War on Drugs legislation brought a new form of Jim Crow (mass incarceration) to replace segregation.
Step 1: Create a victimless crime.
Step 2: Selectively apply the prosecution and incarceration of it.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)a CONTINUATION of the mass incarceration that began after the end of slavery. The War on Drugs may have increased the numbers/frequency; but, it's not like African-Americans weren't being sent to prison farms for such heinous crimes of vagrancy, before Reagan!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)at the 1865 mark. Also, beneath the timeline, I would include a heading, covering the entire timeline, entitled: "State sanctioned terrorism".